Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

[queridiculo]

Agree, and BTW, there are PLENTY of white illegals in the U.S. from Europe and elsewhere, Visa overstayers etc. As-far as I know, there has been zero effort to find and deport white folks who are here "illegally"

The biggest giveaway that it is not about actual legality of the immigration is there is barely a peep about significant penalties for employers. If there was a true desire to lower undocumented immigration, you would have to start there.

I have never understood why cracking down on immigrants illegal employment wasn’t part of the democrats strategy to make a case for the importance of migrants in our society.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Trump is downright despicable.

He truly is a dictator.

[dobrojim]

divine perfection - you decide

[dckingsfan]

Agree, and BTW, there are PLENTY of white illegals in the U.S. from Europe and elsewhere, Visa overstayers etc. As-far as I know, there has been zero effort to find and deport white folks who are here "illegally"

The biggest giveaway that it is not about actual legality of the immigration is there is barely a peep about significant penalties for employers. If there was a true desire to lower undocumented immigration, you would have to start there.

I have never understood why cracking down on immigrants illegal employment wasn’t part of the democrats strategy to make a case for the importance of migrants in our society.

Well, the Ds don't actually have a strategy. It would require them to educate folks as to the root cause of immigration and why we need immigration.

We want our crops picked, houses built, gardens tended, houses clean and hospice services provided. But we the Ds aren't willing to come out and say this often and loudly.

Builders and farmers - who traditionally use that labor want nothing to do with penalties around using that labor. The Ds could have and should in the future pass such legislation. But that takes effort and it might cause them to lose campaign funding.

[Fairview4Life]

The biggest giveaway that it is not about actual legality of the immigration is there is barely a peep about significant penalties for employers. If there was a true desire to lower undocumented immigration, you would have to start there.

I have never understood why cracking down on immigrants illegal employment wasn’t part of the democrats strategy to make a case for the importance of migrants in our society.

Well, the Ds don't actually have a strategy. It would require them to educate folks as to the root cause of immigration and why we need immigration.

We want our crops picked, houses built, gardens tended, houses clean and hospice services provided. But we the Ds aren't willing to come out and say this often and loudly.

Builders and farmers - who traditionally use that labor want nothing to do with penalties around using that labor. The Ds could have and should in the future pass such legislation. But that takes effort and it might cause them to lose campaign funding.

The problem is that the democrats do say a bunch of different things, repeatedly, but conservatives control what people see and hear. Especially in areas with little to no local news coverage. Either explicitly (FOX, OAN, social media sites) or implicitly (the NY Times, Washington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC choosing what to focus on in a way that supports conservatives). But her emails, "what if Obama did...", Loretta Lynch meeting Bill Clinton at the airport vs...*waves hands at everything Trump does*, Clinton Cash being covered as a serious book, how they covered Biden's "mental decline" compared to how Trump is covered, buying into every lie conservatives tell, how Project 2025 was covered, how the Biden economy was covered compared to Trump flying the US economy into a mountain, etc etc etc. A separate fake reality has been constructed for low info voters and conservatives. You can't "educate" people if you can't reach them.

[dckingsfan]

I have never understood why cracking down on immigrants illegal employment wasn’t part of the democrats strategy to make a case for the importance of migrants in our society.

Well, the Ds don't actually have a strategy. It would require them to educate folks as to the root cause of immigration and why we need immigration.

We want our crops picked, houses built, gardens tended, houses clean and hospice services provided. But we the Ds aren't willing to come out and say this often and loudly.

Builders and farmers - who traditionally use that labor want nothing to do with penalties around using that labor. The Ds could have and should in the future pass such legislation. But that takes effort and it might cause them to lose campaign funding.

The problem is that the democrats do say a bunch of different things, repeatedly, but conservatives control what people see and hear. Especially in areas with little to no local news coverage. Either explicitly (FOX, OAN, social media sites) or implicitly (the NY Times, Washington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC choosing what to focus on in a way that supports conservatives). But her emails, "what if Obama did...", Loretta Lynch meeting Bill Clinton at the airport vs...*waves hands at everything Trump does*, Clinton Cash being covered as a serious book, how they covered Biden's "mental decline" compared to how Trump is covered, buying into every lie conservatives tell, how Project 2025 was covered, how the Biden economy was covered compared to Trump flying the US economy into a mountain, etc etc etc. A separate fake reality has been constructed for low info voters and conservatives. You can't "educate" people if you can't reach them.

Thank you! Violent agreement. That is why you have to build the Medium. That is the hard part that Ds aren't willing to do...

[Zonkerbl]

Msnbc is not enough. There's a whole, financially self sustaining right wing propaganda ecosystem.

People really, really want to believe right wing lies. It makes people feel good, while the grifters use it to rob from the poor and give to the rich.

[Kanyewest]

Msnbc is not enough. There's a whole, financially self sustaining right wing propaganda ecosystem.

People really, really want to believe right wing lies. It makes people feel good, while the grifters use it to rob from the poor and give to the rich.

Yeah, there is a desire for people to be moderate that they don't consume media on extreme issues and they conflate (falsely IMO) MSNBC with extremist views.

[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

Just saw/heard a report about Ryan Walters,
a state education bureaucrat in OKC.
Words cannot convey how inappropriate
it is for this person to be anywhere near a
position of authority with respect to public
education. Too much to single out any individual
thing (but I will anyway) but he apparently
doesn't believe the Tulsa Massacre had anything
to do with race.

[Wizardspride]

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[bsilver]

Msnbc is not enough. There's a whole, financially self sustaining right wing propaganda ecosystem.

People really, really want to believe right wing lies. It makes people feel good, while the grifters use it to rob from the poor and give to the rich.

There will never be a liberal equivalent to the right wing media. Conservative are much more likely to believe lies. There's been a lot written about this, along with studies. E.g.,
https://slate.com/technology/2017/11/why-conservatives-are-more-susceptible-to-believing-in-lies.html

There's a huge market for right wing news. People on the right never seem to get enough. On the left another story. I remember about 30 years ago, a liberal radio network started up, to go against Limbaugh, and all the rest. It couldn't stay in business.
Same with TV. MSNBC is just hanging on. Liberals want more nuance and analysis in their news. I can't watch some of the MSNBC hosts, because I want both sides of the story, and some just give a very slanted view.

[doclinkin]

Msnbc is not enough. There's a whole, financially self sustaining right wing propaganda ecosystem.

People really, really want to believe right wing lies. It makes people feel good, while the grifters use it to rob from the poor and give to the rich.

There will never be a liberal equivalent to the right wing media. Conservative are much more likely to believe lies. There's been a lot written about this, along with studies. E.g.,
https://slate.com/technology/2017/11/why-conservatives-are-more-susceptible-to-believing-in-lies.html

There's a huge market for right wing news. People on the right never seem to get enough. On the left another story. I remember about 30 years ago, a liberal radio network started up, to go against Limbaugh, and all the rest. It couldn't stay in business.
Same with TV. MSNBC is just hanging on. Liberals want more nuance and analysis in their news. I can't watch some of the MSNBC hosts, because I want both sides of the story, and some just give a very slanted view.

PBS was an alternative. Which is why they razed Sesame Street.

I actually think if we actually have any progressive billionaires, they need to be funding a movie studio, and put out damn good movies that tell convincing stories to sway the public. The low key equivalent of a marvel MCU that tells the stories From the perspective of the working guy, but makes plain who the true villains are. Not MSNBC. But Netflix with a leftward bent. Working class action heroes. With the Right enemies.

That would be the equivalent of folk songs. That and effective TikTok campaigns.

[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

It's hard to exaggerate how much stronger,
(ie how heavily emphasized) as well as
how much less truthful right wing news reporting on
what democrats do compared to what GOPers do
actually is. Jon Stewart has exposed/demonstrated
this over and over again. But partisans cannot look
at them in an unbiased way.

[queridiculo]

Not sure if that's something that's on your radar, but the gist is basically that big tech has been training their language models (aka AI) on practically any copyrighted material known to mankind.

The obvious conflict with copyright holders has largely been dismissed citing the fair use doctrine.

On Friday the US Copyright Office released its report on the matter indicating that they are inclined to agree with plaintiffs that allege copyright infringement.

In their decision they draw a clear distinction between non-commercial and research use vs. making language models trained on copyrighted material available commercially.

I will leave it up to you to figure out what happened to the copyrights office's director Shira Perlmutter a day after the reports release.

Absolutely shameful.

[Zonkerbl]

Flying to DC tomorrow to turn in my laptop at MCC, an organization created by W in 2004 to do aid better than USAID, but the script kiddies at DOGE did not give a damn, kicked us all to the curb unceremoniously, because they HATE US. Insane libtards, they called us. Doesn't save money, demonstrates to our friends that Democracy is just a word and there's no reason to believe any of the crap that comes out of our mouths about authoritarianism being bad. Your integrity is only as good as the next bribe you receive.

To all you dipS@#ts who voted for Trump, I am holding you personally responsible for doing this to me and the country I love. You are my enemy and I hate you. I hope you all rot in hell. I will be fine because I'm awesome and extraordinarily privileged. But you suck.

[payitforward]

You are awesome, Zonk; it's true. & you will be fine.

The people whom MCC helped on the other hand... not so much.

[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

Turns out the Qataris have been trying to sell the
flying palace for an extended period of time.
With no takers.

But like many other extremely expensive custom
built playtoys of the very rich, no one who has the
money was interested in buying the plane. So the
best they could do was 'give it away' to possibly the
World's biggest sucker for flattery while claiming
they couldn't possibly be trying to gain ie buy influence.

I think it's yet another thing that Magats won't be
talking about in a year or less.

Meanwhile the elected or appointed MAGAts
will give nonsensical BS answers to any public
inquiries they might face.