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Re: PF targets 

Post#61 » by the_l_train » Fri May 9, 2025 5:16 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Pelicans need to blow it up and give us one of Herb Jones or Trey Murphy.

Just play Ausar at the 4


Murphy would be perfect.

I always compare Holland to eventually being a Herb Jones caliber guy…Herb hurt too much though. In general, Herb seems like a Piston but too redundant unless Holland is the piece going out. May be better to see how Ron pans out.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#62 » by blog_pistons » Fri May 9, 2025 5:41 pm

As for Portis, I like him, but I don't think you've seen him play lately. He can't play PF; he's physically very weak. He's a stretch five
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Post#63 » by the_l_train » Fri May 9, 2025 6:07 pm

blog_pistons wrote:As for Portis, I like him, but I don't think you've seen him play lately. He can't play PF; he's physically very weak. He's a stretch five


We need a stretch big, center or PF. Stew or Duren are plenty strong and can slide in next to him and still be effective.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#64 » by Canadafan » Fri May 9, 2025 9:14 pm

the_l_train wrote:
blog_pistons wrote:As for Portis, I like him, but I don't think you've seen him play lately. He can't play PF; he's physically very weak. He's a stretch five


We need a stretch big, center or PF. Stew or Duren are plenty strong and can slide in next to him and still be effective.


Honestly, I haven't seen much of him. He's weak? I thought he was a tough guy
Oh well, we good anyways. Langdon will figure it out. I just know ill be bummed if we don't bring back our awesome bench guards Shröder and Beasley. That's all I care about. And seeing who we draft with our 2nd rounder from toronto
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Re: PF targets 

Post#65 » by bstein14 » Sat May 10, 2025 12:38 pm

Michael Porter Jr is an interesting name who might actually be obtainable if the Nuggets don't get past OKC this round. He's kind of been riddled with injury issues much of his career and he's on a big money contract, but he's very talented offensively. Probably a more realistic get than many of the other guys who have been mentioned. Two years left on his deal at $38 and $40 million each. He's still just 26 years old.

Bigs who shoot threes and make a decent amount at a high percentage include Towns, MPjr, Niang, Cameron Johnson, Markkanen, Naz Reid, Jerami Grant, and Porzingas, Brook Lopez, Myles Turner, and Al Horford.... some of those guys are obvious non fits due to age or simply would cost way too much.

Porter Jr has been a consistent 40% from deep the last 3 seasons and pretty much an 18 and 7 guy. I certainly could see why some people would prefer Jerami Grant or Cameron Johnson over him though.
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Post#66 » by MotownMadness » Sat May 10, 2025 2:27 pm

bstein14 wrote:Michael Porter Jr is an interesting name who might actually be obtainable if the Nuggets don't get past OKC this round. He's kind of been riddled with injury issues much of his career and he's on a big money contract, but he's very talented offensively. Probably a more realistic get than many of the other guys who have been mentioned. Two years left on his deal at $38 and $40 million each. He's still just 26 years old.

Bigs who shoot threes and make a decent amount at a high percentage include Towns, MPjr, Niang, Cameron Johnson, Markkanen, Naz Reid, Jerami Grant, and Porzingas, Brook Lopez, Myles Turner, and Al Horford.... some of those guys are obvious non fits due to age or simply would cost way too much.

Porter Jr has been a consistent 40% from deep the last 3 seasons and pretty much an 18 and 7 guy. I certainly could see why some people would prefer Jerami Grant or Cameron Johnson over him though.

He was making some big time shots last night but he also had a huge ice pack over his shoulder
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Re: PF targets 

Post#67 » by the_l_train » Sat May 10, 2025 5:05 pm

bstein14 wrote:Michael Porter Jr is an interesting name who might actually be obtainable if the Nuggets don't get past OKC this round. He's kind of been riddled with injury issues much of his career and he's on a big money contract, but he's very talented offensively. Probably a more realistic get than many of the other guys who have been mentioned. Two years left on his deal at $38 and $40 million each. He's still just 26 years old.

Bigs who shoot threes and make a decent amount at a high percentage include Towns, MPjr, Niang, Cameron Johnson, Markkanen, Naz Reid, Jerami Grant, and Porzingas, Brook Lopez, Myles Turner, and Al Horford.... some of those guys are obvious non fits due to age or simply would cost way too much.

Porter Jr has been a consistent 40% from deep the last 3 seasons and pretty much an 18 and 7 guy. I certainly could see why some people would prefer Jerami Grant or Cameron Johnson over him though.


Porter would be polarizing but I’d do it for the right price. Nugs would take Tobias for him in a second (probably a bad move chemistry wise for us…but he stretches the floor at least)
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Post#68 » by tmorgan » Sat May 10, 2025 6:14 pm

MPJ is overpaid, has a lifetime injury risk with his back, doesn’t play good defense and can’t pass worth a damn.

Great shooter, solid rebounder, absolutely negative value on his deal. Was a massive mistake the moment Denver offered it. That contract and Jamal Murray’s were both terrible moves that’ll likely keep Jokic from another title.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#69 » by bstein14 » Sat May 10, 2025 9:00 pm

tmorgan wrote:MPJ is overpaid, has a lifetime injury risk with his back, doesn’t play good defense and can’t pass worth a damn.

Great shooter, solid rebounder, absolutely negative value on his deal. Was a massive mistake the moment Denver offered it. That contract and Jamal Murray’s were both terrible moves that’ll likely keep Jokic from another title.


He's overpaid a bit for sure but I think that's why he's a bit more of a realistic target.

For us it could be something along the lines of sign-and-trade of THJ + Font + Sasser for MPJ. Honestly Jokic probably does wonders for Sasser, Font and THJ getting open looks. Gives us a great shooter and offensive talent in the starting lineup.

C: Duren(27) / Stew(21)
PF: MPJ(29) / Ausar(19)
SF: Ausar(10) / Tobias(25) / Holland(13)
SG: Ivey(27) / Beasley(19) / Holland (2)
PG: Cade(33) / Schroeder(15)
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Re: PF targets 

Post#70 » by GreekAlex » Sat May 10, 2025 9:16 pm

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tmorgan wrote:MPJ is overpaid, has a lifetime injury risk with his back, doesn’t play good defense and can’t pass worth a damn.

Great shooter, solid rebounder, absolutely negative value on his deal. Was a massive mistake the moment Denver offered it. That contract and Jamal Murray’s were both terrible moves that’ll likely keep Jokic from another title.


He's overpaid a bit for sure but I think that's why he's a bit more of a realistic target.

For us it could be something along the lines of sign-and-trade of THJ + Font + Sasser for MPJ. Honestly Jokic probably does wonders for Sasser, Font and THJ getting open looks. Gives us a great shooter and offensive talent in the starting lineup.

C: Duren(27) / Stew(21)
PF: MPJ(29) / Ausar(19)
SF: Ausar(10) / Tobias(25) / Holland(13)
SG: Ivey(27) / Beasley(19) / Holland (2)
PG: Cade(33) / Schroeder(15)


I bet THJ would like that!

How much would he have to get paid to match the salary of MPJ? 1 year/$30M :lol:
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Re: PF targets 

Post#71 » by bstein14 » Sat May 10, 2025 9:21 pm

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bstein14 wrote:
tmorgan wrote:MPJ is overpaid, has a lifetime injury risk with his back, doesn’t play good defense and can’t pass worth a damn.

Great shooter, solid rebounder, absolutely negative value on his deal. Was a massive mistake the moment Denver offered it. That contract and Jamal Murray’s were both terrible moves that’ll likely keep Jokic from another title.


He's overpaid a bit for sure but I think that's why he's a bit more of a realistic target.

For us it could be something along the lines of sign-and-trade of THJ + Font + Sasser for MPJ. Honestly Jokic probably does wonders for Sasser, Font and THJ getting open looks. Gives us a great shooter and offensive talent in the starting lineup.

C: Duren(27) / Stew(21)
PF: MPJ(29) / Ausar(19)
SF: Ausar(10) / Tobias(25) / Holland(13)
SG: Ivey(27) / Beasley(19) / Holland (2)
PG: Cade(33) / Schroeder(15)


I bet THJ would like that!

How much would he have to get paid to match the salary of MPJ? 1 year/$30M :lol:


When you combine Font + Sasser in as well, 1 year $14 million gets the job done... could easily be a 2 year $27 million type deal where the 2nd year isn't guaranteed. Would be one last nice pay check on a contender for likely more money than we would be willing to pay him.
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Post#72 » by tmorgan » Sat May 10, 2025 9:53 pm

Don’t know why Denver would do that… payroll flexibility, I guess? Which is why we shouldn’t. MPJ isn’t worth locking in our roster with another big earner.

Holland needs more than 15 minutes a game next year, too.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#73 » by SuperBad » Sun May 11, 2025 1:03 pm

Bickerstaff has kinda been a nine guy rotation his whole career until this year when he stretched it to ten, I think in the beginning it was only because of how hard Holland plays, he couldn’t ignore it, I really think he has the second highest ceiling on the team, but there’s always the sophomore slump, I really hope he takes two steps forward so it will help bring future decisions together faster.
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Post#74 » by theBigLip » Sun May 11, 2025 4:36 pm

SuperBad wrote:Bickerstaff has kinda been a nine guy rotation his whole career until this year when he stretched it to ten, I think in the beginning it was only because of how hard Holland plays, he couldn’t ignore it, I really think he has the second highest ceiling on the team, but there’s always the sophomore slump, I really hope he takes two steps forward so it will help bring future decisions together faster.


I think it will be the opposite of a slump. This was his first year playing with and against players that were better than him. He learned a lot this year. I think he’s going to take a big step up.
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Post#75 » by SuperBad » Sun May 11, 2025 10:40 pm

I actually do too, I’m just not trying to get my hopes up too high.
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Post#76 » by tmorgan » Mon May 12, 2025 12:10 am

Holland’s gonna be good. Very good.

I haven’t said that (other than the obvious Cade) since… Rodney Stuckey. Oh. Well, crap.
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Post#77 » by MotownMadness » Mon May 12, 2025 12:43 am

What we need is one of the hardest things to find
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Post#78 » by GreekAlex » Mon May 12, 2025 2:33 am

tmorgan wrote:Holland’s gonna be good. Very good.

I haven’t said that (other than the obvious Cade) since… Rodney Stuckey. Oh. Well, crap.


I can’t speak to Hollands ceiling but his floor seems relatively high.

I’m a fan.

He’s shown a lot at 19.
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Post#79 » by bstein14 » Mon May 12, 2025 3:36 am

MotownMadness wrote:What we need is one of the hardest things to find


Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson... maybe not as much size as some people here want but Ausar + Duren + Cade is already a great rebounding trio and Ausar is very capable of guarding almost every PF in the league (maybe not someone built like a tank like Zion).
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Post#80 » by tmorgan » Mon May 12, 2025 4:47 am

Bringing back Jerami should not happen. Waaaaaay overpaid, and sucked super bad this year. Portland got substantially better in the second half of the season while trimming down his role.

Cam Johnson would be fine, but Brooklyn’s asking price during the season seemed unreasonable to me. I get that he had a career year in a featured role, but it was mostly just more shots on a tanking team. He won’t get that many shots here. Also, don’t forget he’s already 28.

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