The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[Saberestar]

That is the pressing question. Who is going to be our PG next yr? Id rate it as a high priority. We have been struggling with that position since the falloff of CP3. Is this a position to fill with the draft? Ghost? anyone? I hesitate to mention, but DLo will be looking for a job. Don't really want a runback of HoHum TJones. I expect them to ink up Gillespie. This could also pave the entrance Of FredVV with a KD trade. Houston looks to be moving on from him. If that's the case, Id expect the Rockets to retain our '25 pick and take a PG like Traore... man he would be fun here as we need to turn this sedan into a sports car.


Used to be a strength ... not sure any team can match the PG history of PHNX. It was always a focus during former Illini PG JerryC's days, I thought may be that type of experience would be beneficial with Wishbia....but alas....

Goodrich
Buse
Westphal
DJ
Macy
Kidd
Marbury
Hornacek
KJ
Nash
Dragic
Rubio
Paul
............. missing anyone? That's a pretty impressive list.

Here is a PG that I would love to get in a KD trade...Darius Garland.

3 years left on his contrat at $42M per year.

An All-Star PG in his prime that can be too similar to the other All-Star perimeter player on his team...Donovan Mitchell.

If Garland is “too similar to the other All-Star perimeter player on his team” in Donovan Mitchell then why wouldn’t that be applicable to playing with Booker too?

Unless you’re saying this is for a trade for the post-Booker era but sounds like teams don’t even want Booker.

Garland and Donovan Mitchell have been together 3 seasons and I would say that it has worked well for both and for the team, but at this point they want to fight for a championship.

IF they are eliminated in the 2nd round they probably want to change something big on their roster. That could be Garland, but it's a long-shot.

Garland next to Book can work pretty well because Garland is a pure PG. An scorer PG but someone that can create for others and is an OK defender.

[TeamTragic]

Shams reporting that Giannis is open to leaving the Bucks. This should be an exciting week.

[Saberestar]

[Ghost of Kleine]

Looks like Giannis is now open to being traded and unfortunately for us that makes the likelihood of a KD trade less likely because everyone is going to want a much younger Giannis.

We may have to accept the reality that we just won't get much value for KD but you kind of have to move off his contract because it's only a matter of time before he will be a shell of his former self.

Also this https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280364/Rockets-No-Longer-Interested-In-Devin-Booker;-Have-Faith-In-Jalen-Green.

Nobody wants to overpay for players who couldn't even make the playoffs.

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Eff Houston then!
Send Booker elsewhere to Detroit or anywhere else then. Build out our roster as best as we can and minimize the value of the picks the PHX picks Houston holds.

Personally, I'd view Detroit's young core as equitably valuable as the Rockets could be! Send Booker home to Detroit (home) for a package around Stewart/ Ivey/ Thompson or Holland/ fillers and multiple 1sts!!! I'm tired of the rockets and their arrogant BS anyways.

[King4Day]

If only:

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[King4Day]

I WISH we'd get this from Booker too

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[BobbieL]

I WISH we'd get this from Booker too

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My guess, Booker wants to sign the 149/2 more than win an NBA Title (and by the way, that is fine -if he just wants the cash) - just not sure he is the right guy to lead the team though. But for him, he can be on the Suns, score 28-30ppg (as nobody else will be around to score), he will walk off the court, go to the presser, say "we just have to get better" and drive home happy.

[King4Day]

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You know it's slow news month when Rankin is putting out an article that basically says nothing

[KdoubleDees23]

We should Keep Booker. Age, Loyaly, role as a 2/3.

Bring in a veteran Leader like FVV in a KD trade, or

Here is my idea from the above with Garland.

Garland, Jabari Smith Jr, Whitmore to Phoenix
Reed Shepard, Dillon Brooks, and 1st to Cleveland
KD to Houston

Suns ride

Garland / Use PG in Draft
Booker / Allen / Gillespie
Whitmore / O'Neale
Jabari Smith Jr / Dunn
Richards / OSO

Then trade Beal for what you can get.

[Sunsdeuce]

We should Keep Booker. Age, Loyaly, role as a 2/3.

Bring in a veteran Leader like FVV in a KD trade, or

Here is my idea from the above with Garland.

Garland, Jabari Smith Jr, Whitmore to Phoenix
Reed Shepard, Dillon Brooks, and 1st to Cleveland
KD to Houston

Suns ride

Garland / Use PG in Draft
Booker / Allen / Gillespie
Whitmore / O'Neale
Jabari Smith Jr / Dunn
Richards / OSO

Then trade Beal for what you can get.

Booker is only loyal to the Suns money, not the Suns !

Also Bookers salary handicaps this team to improve. He’s being paid as an Alpha 1 player when the reality is he’s a Beta #2/3.

[BobbieL]

We should Keep Booker. Age, Loyaly, role as a 2/3.

Bring in a veteran Leader like FVV in a KD trade, or

Here is my idea from the above with Garland.

Garland, Jabari Smith Jr, Whitmore to Phoenix
Reed Shepard, Dillon Brooks, and 1st to Cleveland
KD to Houston

Suns ride

Garland / Use PG in Draft
Booker / Allen / Gillespie
Whitmore / O'Neale
Jabari Smith Jr / Dunn
Richards / OSO

Then trade Beal for what you can get.

Booker is only loyal to the Suns money, not the Suns !

Also Bookers salary handicaps this team to improve. He’s being paid as an Alpha 1 player when the reality is he’s a Beta #2/3.

Which is why it makes no sense to extend him -- this year. Give it a year. If Booker doesn't show leadership - don't extend him. If he is extended he will be owed $320/5

Booker had a good thing with CP3. Durant hasn't helped Booker grow his game

[Sunsdeuce]

We should Keep Booker. Age, Loyaly, role as a 2/3.

Bring in a veteran Leader like FVV in a KD trade, or

Here is my idea from the above with Garland.

Garland, Jabari Smith Jr, Whitmore to Phoenix
Reed Shepard, Dillon Brooks, and 1st to Cleveland
KD to Houston

Suns ride

Garland / Use PG in Draft
Booker / Allen / Gillespie
Whitmore / O'Neale
Jabari Smith Jr / Dunn
Richards / OSO

Then trade Beal for what you can get.

Booker is only loyal to the Suns money, not the Suns !

Also Bookers salary handicaps this team to improve. He’s being paid as an Alpha 1 player when the reality is he’s a Beta #2/3.

Which is why it makes no sense to extend him -- this year. Give it a year. If Booker doesn't show leadership - don't extend him. If he is extended he will be owed $320/5

Booker had a good thing with CP3. Durant hasn't helped Booker grow his game

KD was definitely a negative influence on Bookers career. No doubt. KD was the wrong role model to be put into Bookers life.

When a 28 year old man still needs a role model in his life, he ain’t the man you want leading your organization!

[sunsbg]

Booker had CP3 for role model and everybody was talking about how KD will open his game, take the pressure off of him, etc. By now we know who Booker is, just a scorer who doesn't raise the ceiling of a team all that much. Give him the top salary in the league and stay irrelevant until he retires.

[BobbieL]

Booker had CP3 for role model and everybody was talking about how KD will open his game, take the pressure off of him, etc. By now we know who Booker is, just a scorer who doesn't raise the ceiling of a team that much. Give him the top salary in the league and stay irrelevant until he retires.

Unless they can find the right PG and the right alpha player next to him - he will still get his 25ppg but the plus/minus will be terrible and the record not so good

I want the Suns to be good -- truly -- but giving him that extension would not be good - and there is no need. Thats what I don't get. He has 3 years left and is coming off a pretty average year

[Slim Charless]

Here is a PG that I would love to get in a KD trade...Darius Garland.

3 years left on his contrat at $42M per year.

An All-Star PG in his prime that can be too similar to the other All-Star perimeter player on his team...Donovan Mitchell.

If Garland is “too similar to the other All-Star perimeter player on his team” in Donovan Mitchell then why wouldn’t that be applicable to playing with Booker too?

Unless you’re saying this is for a trade for the post-Booker era but sounds like teams don’t even want Booker.

Garland and Donovan Mitchell have been together 3 seasons and I would say that it has worked well for both and for the team, but at this point they want to fight for a championship.

IF they are eliminated in the 2nd round they probably want to change something big on their roster. That could be Garland, but it's a long-shot.

Garland next to Book can work pretty well because Garland is a pure PG. An scorer PG but someone that can create for others and is an OK defender.

We will not be trading with CLV. Ever.

Ishbiia said as much before more than once. He and the Cavs owner hate each other.

[BobbieL]

If Garland is “too similar to the other All-Star perimeter player on his team” in Donovan Mitchell then why wouldn’t that be applicable to playing with Booker too?

Unless you’re saying this is for a trade for the post-Booker era but sounds like teams don’t even want Booker.

Garland and Donovan Mitchell have been together 3 seasons and I would say that it has worked well for both and for the team, but at this point they want to fight for a championship.

IF they are eliminated in the 2nd round they probably want to change something big on their roster. That could be Garland, but it's a long-shot.

Garland next to Book can work pretty well because Garland is a pure PG. An scorer PG but someone that can create for others and is an OK defender.

We will not be trading with CLV. Ever.

Ishbiia said as much before more than once. He and the Cavs owner hate each other.

Not a good GM if not willing to trade with a team - especially in the East

[Slim Charless]

Garland and Donovan Mitchell have been together 3 seasons and I would say that it has worked well for both and for the team, but at this point they want to fight for a championship.

IF they are eliminated in the 2nd round they probably want to change something big on their roster. That could be Garland, but it's a long-shot.

Garland next to Book can work pretty well because Garland is a pure PG. An scorer PG but someone that can create for others and is an OK defender.

We will not be trading with CLV. Ever.

Ishbiia said as much before more than once. He and the Cavs owner hate each other.

Not a good GM if not willing to trade with a team - especially in the East

Doesn't matter.

When Ishbia got the team he had to be voted in by all the other owners. Take a wild guess which one said "no" to him being able to get the Suns? Take one guess.

They will not be trading with each other.

People like to complain about me and GoK talking about various trades, well that is one team you haven't me OR him mention as it's known that Ishbia and Dan Gilbert hate each other.

[BobbieL]

We will not be trading with CLV. Ever.

Ishbiia said as much before more than once. He and the Cavs owner hate each other.

Not a good GM if not willing to trade with a team - especially in the East

Doesn't matter.

When Ishbia got the team he had to be voted in by all the other owners. Take a wild guess which one said "no" to him being able to get the Suns? Take one guess.

They will not be trading with each other.

People like to complain about me and GoK talking about various trades, well that is one team you haven't me OR him mention as it's known that Ishbia and Dan Gilbert hate each other.

Dan Gilbert -- was right about whether Ishbia should have been owner or not

[Ghost of Kleine]

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The way I see it, Houston, OKC, and Brooklyn have the best odds of trading for Giannis IF he asks to be traded! But under those conditions, I'm engineering a 3 team trade with OKC or maybe Brooklyn WITH BOOKER to see either Brooklyn or OKC ( preferably) land Giannis!! And then Milwaukee gets Booker and we get a bunch of young pieces and/ or picks/ cap space. Then also move KD for the best young players and picks package we can get!

I do this for two distinct reasons.

1- To completely screw over Houston because not only are they too arrogant, but because they hold our picks and if we're not getting them back, then I at least want to screw them over making it impossible for them to reach the finals or win a championship with their core anytime soon by making OKC a juggernaut! That's the consolation outcome here.

2- We were never truly competing with or without Booker. And our rebuild is inevitable! At least fully blowing it up this way, we could get in on acquiring some valuable assets and completely revamping our roster to minimize the value of those Houston picks as best as we possibly can!

Now by doing a 3 team trade wherein either Brooklyn or OKC ends up with Giannis AND NOT Houston, we can at least deny them their ultimate goal, but also possibly get some solid pieces back in the deal for Milwaukee or Brooklyn recieving Booker in return.

For example: ( 3 team trades with Giannis and Booker)

1- OKC/ MILWAUKEE/ PHOENIX:

OKC gets Giannis.

MIL gets- Booker/ O'neale/ picks ( 2 from OKC, 2 from Phoenix CLE 1sts).

Phoenix gets- Hartenstein/ J Williams/A Jackson Jr/ Tyler Smith/ 3 1sts ( from OKC).

2- BROOKLYN/ MILWAUKEE/ PHOENIX

Brooklyn gets- Giannis.

Milwaukee gets- Booker/ O'neale/ Richards.

Phoenix gets- C Johnson/ Claxton/ Clowney/A Jackson Jr/ T Smith Jr/ 2 1sts from Brooklyn and MIL 31' 1st.

NOP/ MILWAUKEE/ PHOENIX

New Orleans gets- Giannis/ O'neale.

Milwaukee gets- Booker/ Murphy 3rd/ Nik Richards/ Top 4 pick in 25' draft/ 2 / MIL 26' 1st ( swap)/ MIL 27' 1st ( swap) removed/ NOP 28' 1st/ NOP 31' 1st.

Phoenix gets- Zion/ Murray/ A Jackson Jr/ Tyler Smith/ two 1sts from NOP ( Via Milwaukee) / MIL 31' 1st.

3- HOUSTON/ MILWAUKEE/ PHOENIX ( to get our picks and some young players back)??

Houston gets- Giannis.
Milwaukee gets- Booker/ D Brooks/ Eason/ J Smith Jr/ Richards/ O'neale.

Phoenix gets- Kuzma/ Sheppard/ Whitmore/ Tyler Smith Jr/ 3PHX 1sts back ( via Houston)/ MIL 31' 1st.

*** We could then package Kuzma/ Allen to another team for more picks and young players??

And trade KD for a players/ picks package elsewhere too. And load up in free agency on vet talent around our young players.