2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6

[BoyzNTheHood]

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Fleming moving up

Wow rasheer is huge!

Dude is bigger than OG, who always looks like one of the biggest guys on the floor. Rasheer is your OG.

[Brinbe]

Almost exact same measurements as Alparen Sengun

And he is overrated as hell. Just surrounded by great defensive talent. Jokic is bigger and makes it work but it's not a winning archetype otherwise. Undersized offensive first Cs are not a strong meta in the playoffs

I dont get how more people dont see it this way. Your Center is your most important defensive player. At minimum, that player must be good at defense to be an elite defensive team, especially in the playoffs.

These Sengun, Sabonis type players don’t impact winning at the highest level. Jokic is the rare exception because his offensive skill is probably top 5 of all time lol. His impact far outweighs his defensive limitations.

Yep. Jokic is also a complete unit out there and is massive on the court so he's an outlier in that sense too compared to these smaller/lighter Cs.

Queen is okay but I think we've seen in the playoffs that it they can be shut down.

[OakleyDokely]

Flemings measurements are insane. He's going top 10 with his combination of size and production.


Ace is basically an averaged sized modern wing. Not great for him.

[Clutch0z24]

I think people need to remember it is only the last couple years that the NBA went to measurements barefoot and actually made top prospects show up and be measured. You can go back and see OG was only 6" 6.25 barefoot but no one ever says he is 6"6". Devin Booker the quintessential 6'6" 2 guard measured in at 6'4.5". Shorter then someone like Tre Johnson at 6' 4.75".

Lol exactly what i was going to say....People make a big deal about the measurements but in reality alot of the NBA measurements were wrong and exaggerated....The measurements are only a part of the drafting process....Skill on the court is much more valuable than the measurements...

If all the NBA players did measurements with no shoes they would all prolly come back smaller....Not to mention alot of these guys are 18/19 years old and still could grow and inch or two while in the league.

I will bet the measurements do not move anyones stock up or down because most exects know this already and they will draft based on skills on the court....

[ciueli]

what makes Maluach a better prospect than Mo Bamba was when he was drafted? I worry that the benefits of drafting him are theoretical based on his physical tools and are baking in the assumption that he will develop his skills and ability to read the game without really having demonstrated that so far. Where in the draft is that risk/reward worth it?

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Here's a scouting report from that time:

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/mohamed-bamba/

As obvious is as length is, it’s also not hard to notice he’ll need to continue to add strength to play the paint in the next level … At the 2017 Hoop Summit, he only weighed in at 216 pounds … Ideally, you’d like to see Bamba at least around 240 in a year or two, or possibly 250 … I think those weights are achievable for him judging by his length, and how he’s added muscle since high school … His awareness with his back to the basket and in the paint on offense is a work in progress too … He’ll need to continue to work on his awareness of spacing and cutting players, as well as adjusting to double teams and pressure from guards … When he’s feeling it offensively, he could take over a game at the college level, but he could also be too passive when he’d get bothered … Restraint is good from a team game perspective, but with his physical tools he should have been more aggressive at times while playing for the Longhorns … A solid athlete, but much of his wow factor is due to length and not explosiveness or leaping ability …

And this is a Reddit thread about why Mo didn't turn into a good NBA player:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/comments/1dgbcy1/what_went_wrong_with_mo_bamba/

There's a lot of good reasons here, sounds like he couldn't do the basic things you want a big man to be good at, not a screen setter, not willing to fight for rebounds around the basket, didn't care enough to develop into a player that could be an NBA starter as he didn't gain the weight and strength needed to match up well with the other top NBA centres (an area he needed to work at coming into the NBA).

The overall comparison is bad because you're comparing a player who already has NBA level size and strength in Maluach to a guy who was underweight to be an NBA centre at 225lbs when drafted. Maluach is a vastly superior finisher at the rim on lobs which is also a big weakness of Bamba's, and Maluach is already good at setting screens, has a high motor and plays aggressive defence, it's really just comparing two completely different prospects when you look more closely beyond "tall guy with long arms who was good in college".

Maluach has a pretty bad defensive rebounding rate at less than 20%
Mamba has a 28% defensive rebounding rate.

And your claim of Bamba is not as good finisher is false. Stats has Bamba with higher dunk percentage, and the around the same at rim percentage at 76% (their difference is just 0.5% FG)

This is the reason people has Maluach more red flag than Bamba, his stats is even worse.

Said it many times, showed these stats many times, people still don't want to believe, eh.
https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2018&p=Mohamed%20Bamba&t=Texas
https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2025&p=Khaman%20Maluach&t=Duke

And stop referencing that garabage nbadraft.net, just because it has the domain name and Google ranked it higher, it doesn't mean it has quality.

Your constant harping on NBADraft.net is just you scrounging for fringe reasons to **** on what I've said because you don't like me for some reason. But fine, here's another similar scouting report from another site, I'm sure you'll just find more reasons to **** on it too:

https://hoopsprospects.com/2018/06/mohamed-bamba-scouting-report/

Ultimately Bamba failed because he didn't gain the weight necessary to player centre in the NBA, he was supposed to be a guaranteed defensive player but he was only 225lbs coming out of college and that was never going to cut it as a starting C in the NBA guarding guys like Jokic and Embiid, both listed at 280lbs.

[Grew]

Queen def more a 4 than 5. Would be a tiny anchor. Probably a Naz Reid hybrid type ideally.

Almost exact same measurements as Alparen Sengun

And he is overrated as hell. Just surrounded by great defensive talent. Jokic is bigger and makes it work but it's not a winning archetype otherwise. Undersized offensive first Cs are not a strong meta in the playoffs

I think he works beautifully as a 3rd big with Scottie and Jak. He could play with either and have some of his issues hidden. Doesn't matter anyways cause we gettin Coop!

[Godaddycurse]

Given these measurements do people still prefer Carter Bryant over Fleming?

[Chpwags]

I think people need to remember it is only the last couple years that the NBA went to measurements barefoot and actually made top prospects show up and be measured. You can go back and see OG was only 6" 6.25 barefoot but no one ever says he is 6"6". Devin Booker the quintessential 6'6" 2 guard measured in at 6'4.5". Shorter then someone like Tre Johnson at 6' 4.75".

Lol exactly what i was going to say....People make a big deal about the measurements but in reality alot of the NBA measurements were wrong and exaggerated....The measurements are only a part of the drafting process....Skill on the court is much more valuable than the measurements...

If all the NBA players did measurements with no shoes they would all prolly come back smaller....Not to mention alot of these guys are 18/19 years old and still could grow and inch or two while in the league.

The numbers people typically think about are in 1.5-2" shoes and then rounded up. Once you wrap your head about that very few of these measurements are that alarming vs what was reported. The one exception maybe Jase Ricahrdson that could see his stock tank.

[Mark_83]

Flagg with the Barnes measurements

Barnes has a 7'3" wingspan though.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Clutch0z24]

I think people need to remember it is only the last couple years that the NBA went to measurements barefoot and actually made top prospects show up and be measured. You can go back and see OG was only 6" 6.25 barefoot but no one ever says he is 6"6". Devin Booker the quintessential 6'6" 2 guard measured in at 6'4.5". Shorter then someone like Tre Johnson at 6' 4.75".

Lol exactly what i was going to say....People make a big deal about the measurements but in reality alot of the NBA measurements were wrong and exaggerated....The measurements are only a part of the drafting process....Skill on the court is much more valuable than the measurements...

If all the NBA players did measurements with no shoes they would all prolly come back smaller....Not to mention alot of these guys are 18/19 years old and still could grow and inch or two while in the league.

The numbers people typically think about are in 1.5-2" shoes and then rounded up. Once you wrap your head about that very few of these measurements are that alarming vs what was reported. The one exception maybe Jase Ricahrdson that could see his stock tank.

Yep also alot of these teams scouted these players in person so if you don't think they all already had an idea of their real heights already....They all prolly knew a rough estimate of how tall the player already was....

Guys are ranked where they are because of their basketball talent....If you draft based off measurments and size alone you are losing that draft pick....If the Size don't match the basketball talent you could waste a pick....

As for Jase it will hurt him because teams don't know how good of a PG he will be since he was more of a combo scoring guard...Hes still a talented player though...We will see how far he drops.

[Chuck Everett]

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Riley measured out really well on the height but that wingspan is not good at all

He's basically Cam Johnson all over again, if you think about it.

[Mark_83]

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Still like Bryant obviously but was hoping for larger wingspan. He's in the mold of Patrick Williams and Trey Murphy with those measurements.

[Mark_83]

Please Masai, get us another pick. I want Flemming and Bryant so bad.

[Mark_83]

Given these measurements do people still prefer Carter Bryant over Fleming?

I want both.

[Brinbe]

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If we don't draft a big in the 1st, I'd be down for Kalk in the 2nd. Absolute unit

[mademan]

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If we don't draft a big in the 1st, I'd be down for Kalk in the 2nd. Absolute unit

He's gonna have a 10 year + career in the NBA. Productive player that measures out well that will drop because of his age...Masai has made a killing on these guys

[Grew]

Given these measurements do people still prefer Carter Bryant over Fleming?

I think most people knew Fleming would be that size. I thought Carter might have another couple inches of wingspan. I still think they are both 3+D role players right now, but the one I would bet on becoming something more in the NBA would be Carter, so I would take him.

The other thing about Fleming is people want to compare him to OG, but OG is a legit 3 who can play up or down a spot. Fleming is a 4 who can possibly play some small ball 5. I don't think Fleming has enough of a perimeter game to play the 3 for any prolonged period. Carter is more of the OG type.

In conclusion I think they are different players and these measurements don't change anything.

[Duffman100]

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If we don't draft a big in the 1st, I'd be down for Kalk in the 2nd. Absolute unit

Kalk and Dick on the same team?

[S.W.A.N]

Ok. Love this part of the process.


Stock up or holding strong from measurements

Cooper- basically as promised.
Harper- Great PG measurements
VJ- Better than expected. 6'4 barefoot is legit 2 guard height
Khaman - as expected, but still damn impressive.
Sorber- as expected height, great length. Unlike Queen this length makes him legit C
Fleming great length. Big PF who can probably play some small ball
Wolf- Legit C size and wingspan
Kalkbrenner- Huge

Neutral...
Demin... as expected. Huge PG
Fears Shorter... slight negative, but still very acceptable pg size. The plus 3 wingspan isn't amazing, but his weight was good(till we see fat%)
Queen... As expected but not enough length to make the 4-5 debate go away
Kon Slight negative, but I don't think it hurts him to much, except for teams that a bigger 3 won't prioritize him.
Tre Slight negative on the height, but really good length.
Yak. Basically measured out as expected. Great PG size
Raynaud... Solid. legit 7 footer
will Riley. Good height, no length

Negative...
Jace... Why do that to yourself. draft stock is going to fall for the full 3 inches of shrinkage
Ace Definitely shorter than expected. Not terrible but takes away that 'elite' length and size argument
Asa... Good height, no length. Small negative. Reduces his small ball 5 appeal.
Carter Bryant... Ok but not the jumbo wing that was the hype.
CMB... Not enough length to wow. Small drop but any kind of shooting drills plus will negate this