[Shams] Sources: Giannis Antetokounmpo to explore best fits outside of Milwaukee

[ConSarnit]

Fixed that first comment since it's applicable to just about every team's major star player.

Sure, but you have an entire generation of people crying about how they’re wasting their prime on a dead end team and so on. It gets into players heads and ends ups screwing the player over more times than not overall.

Oh, I don't refute that at all. The thing is, a player is a member of that team until such a time that either the team decides otherwise or their contract expires. I really despise players who purposely undermine the team and don't play up to their ability because they don't want to be there any longer. If someone has it in their mind that they no longer want to be a member of that team, they player should go to the team and make that known. Using subterfuge and leaking stuff in the media is both poor character and unsportsmanlike. Keep that stuff where it belongs: QUIET.

I'm hopeful Giannis doesn't go down the Anthony Davis path (or any number of others who have made that choice) and is genuinely good about the process. If it's his time to go, so be it.

I don’t really see how it matters. It’s either going to be Giannis leaks this now or we get reporting after the trade that Giannis asked for a trade. It’s going to come out at some point. It’s also possible Giannis has conveyed this to the Bucks FO prior to this reporting. We don’t know anything about what has already happened behind closed doors.

[SkyBill40]

Sure, but you have an entire generation of people crying about how they’re wasting their prime on a dead end team and so on. It gets into players heads and ends ups screwing the player over more times than not overall.

Oh, I don't refute that at all. The thing is, a player is a member of that team until such a time that either the team decides otherwise or their contract expires. I really despise players who purposely undermine the team and don't play up to their ability because they don't want to be there any longer. If someone has it in their mind that they no longer want to be a member of that team, they player should go to the team and make that known. Using subterfuge and leaking stuff in the media is both poor character and unsportsmanlike. Keep that stuff where it belongs: QUIET.

I'm hopeful Giannis doesn't go down the Anthony Davis path (or any number of others who have made that choice) and is genuinely good about the process. If it's his time to go, so be it.

I don’t really see how it matters. It’s either going to be Giannis leaks this now or we get reporting after the trade that Giannis asked for a trade. It’s going to come out at some point. It’s also possible Giannis has conveyed this to the Bucks FO prior to this reporting. We don’t know anything about what has already happened behind closed doors.

Then let the team make mention of it and do so during the off season. There's absolutely no reason this should be happening now. Letting it out while there's still basketball going on is disruptive and pretty unbecoming. He puts forth the image that he's above that, but leaking this during a point in time where it takes away from the playoffs is lame.

[ConSarnit]

:lol: ESPN making an article where all 29 teams attempt to trade for Giannis. They are such disgusting vultures. Been trying to get Giannis out of Milwaukee for 10 years.

I’m no fan of ESPN but this isn’t just some random report to get eyeballs. If Shams is reporting it it is almost certainly true. He’s by far the most connected media member and isn’t prone to reporting things just to get attention. When Shams reports something you have to think he’s heard it from credible sources.

[___Rand___]

Can you piece together a hypothetical package that makes sense? Turner is an unrestricted FA this summer so he is not an asset unless they S&T him I guess?

Pascal is worth about 4 mid FRPs, which loosely translates to like 1 decent lotto pick

Nembhard would be a really good young player but I doubt they’d want to part with him

A lot of their good bench pieces are due for salary increases. They can’t pay them all so why would a team give up value to take on their expiring assets?

You're undervaluing Pascal. He's a 2 way PF and an all-star who's been durable. We got shafted in the Pascal trade because Masai waited too long to make it and nobody was going to give assets for a 3 month rental. Take a look at a list of PFs in this league - he's a top 10 PF. Bridges got 5 1st round picks in comparison, and Bridges' value isn't as high. Pascal is under contract for 3 more years and a decent contract at that. Nembhard is coming up for a big pay day in 2 years' time. It's true Pacers may want to hang on to him for one more season, but they won't be able to pay him in 2 years so why not get the max value you can right now? Pascal, Nembhard, Sheppard and 2 picks. Or Pascal, Turner, Sheppard/Mathurin, no picks. That's a huge trade but one Pacers can make work. Nobody can come close to this package IMO.

Pascal is a 31 year old player who will make 45, 48 and 52 million the next three years. He's a good player, but not someone the Bucks need going forward if they move on from Giannis.

How much value will another team give for him? They'd have to match salary plus give up assets.

Late Indiana picks and young players like Nembhard, Sheppard or Mathurin are okay, but not enough for the Bucks to trade Giannis IMO. Think about where they'd be after a trade like that? Late picks, plus those players mentioned above and they don't have control of their own picks until after 2030. That would be awful.

I didn't suggest you build around Pascal. But Giannis wants out, so you get what you can for him. Where this situation is, with the lack of picks and assets, you're looking at a rebuild for Bucks, like it or not. Dame is out for at least a year, and he will be old once back. You don't have picks, you don't have young players, you are in cap hell. Where can Bucks go, but rebuild.

You can trade Pascal to another team for other pieces. But Nembhard is a good piece to build with - he's a productive 6'5" point guard who can defend. He's capable as seen when Hali was out. I'd love to have Nembhard on my team. You start with a solid PG and rebuild the team from there.

OKC may trade Chet for Giannis. Is that the better option than the Pacers' package? who knows. Rockets may offer Jabari Smith and Green. Again, there's not going to be a superstar in there, and these players won't make Bucks a contender. But it's the start for a rebuild. Because once Giannis leaves, it IS a rebuild.

[Mr B]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

[MrGoat]

LeBron for Giannis here we go! lol

That would have to be a three team trade where LeBron is rerouted because LeBron would invoke his no trade clause if they actually tried to send him to Milwaukee. I certainly wouldn't rule out Giannis landing on the Lakers somehow, though

[Mr B]

Lakers have the seers if they’re willing to part with Luka. Giannis and Labron fit together better than Labron and Luka. Lakers wouldn’t even have to give up Reaves.

[MrGoat]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

Or Orlando, lower sales tax than Texas too. Doubt he'd choose Miami

[___Rand___]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

Florida also has no state income tax. Orlando?

[Dan Z]

I want him to find a good supporting cast but I'm sick of the teaming up.

Teaming up with another top 5 players is ridiculous. Please do anything but that.

If he can find a spot where they have great support and a solid fanbase, that'd be perfect.
Then, the league is more interesting.

Besides, him and Jokic both facilitate, as do many stars in this type of open game.

Bulls have a solid fan base....

Unfortunately, they have a bad front office and ownership.

[ConSarnit]

Oh, I don't refute that at all. The thing is, a player is a member of that team until such a time that either the team decides otherwise or their contract expires. I really despise players who purposely undermine the team and don't play up to their ability because they don't want to be there any longer. If someone has it in their mind that they no longer want to be a member of that team, they player should go to the team and make that known. Using subterfuge and leaking stuff in the media is both poor character and unsportsmanlike. Keep that stuff where it belongs: QUIET.

I'm hopeful Giannis doesn't go down the Anthony Davis path (or any number of others who have made that choice) and is genuinely good about the process. If it's his time to go, so be it.

I don’t really see how it matters. It’s either going to be Giannis leaks this now or we get reporting after the trade that Giannis asked for a trade. It’s going to come out at some point. It’s also possible Giannis has conveyed this to the Bucks FO prior to this reporting. We don’t know anything about what has already happened behind closed doors.

Then let the team make mention of it and do so during the off season. There's absolutely no reason this should be happening now. Letting it out while there's still basketball going on is disruptive and pretty unbecoming. He puts forth the image that he's above that, but leaking this during a point in time where it takes away from the playoffs is lame.

There is a clear reason for the timing of this: the draft combine. How often are all 30 teams representatives all in the same place?

Just because 8 teams are still playing basketball doesn’t mean the other 22 franchises just sit on their hands.

For all we know this report could have been leaked by anyone considering teams are currently all talking to each other in person right now. Shams clearly operates on a quid pro quo basis. This is an easy leak to score points with Shams.

[og15]

I hope DEN is on his list. Him and Jokic together would be fun

Not so fun for the competition

[Dan Z]

You're undervaluing Pascal. He's a 2 way PF and an all-star who's been durable. We got shafted in the Pascal trade because Masai waited too long to make it and nobody was going to give assets for a 3 month rental. Take a look at a list of PFs in this league - he's a top 10 PF. Bridges got 5 1st round picks in comparison, and Bridges' value isn't as high. Pascal is under contract for 3 more years and a decent contract at that. Nembhard is coming up for a big pay day in 2 years' time. It's true Pacers may want to hang on to him for one more season, but they won't be able to pay him in 2 years so why not get the max value you can right now? Pascal, Nembhard, Sheppard and 2 picks. Or Pascal, Turner, Sheppard/Mathurin, no picks. That's a huge trade but one Pacers can make work. Nobody can come close to this package IMO.

Pascal is a 31 year old player who will make 45, 48 and 52 million the next three years. He's a good player, but not someone the Bucks need going forward if they move on from Giannis.

How much value will another team give for him? They'd have to match salary plus give up assets.

Late Indiana picks and young players like Nembhard, Sheppard or Mathurin are okay, but not enough for the Bucks to trade Giannis IMO. Think about where they'd be after a trade like that? Late picks, plus those players mentioned above and they don't have control of their own picks until after 2030. That would be awful.

I didn't suggest you build around Pascal. But Giannis wants out, so you get what you can for him. Where this situation is, with the lack of picks and assets, you're looking at a rebuild for Bucks, like it or not. Dame is out for at least a year, and he will be old once back. You don't have picks, you don't have young players, you are in cap hell. Where can Bucks go, but rebuild.

You can trade Pascal to another team for other pieces. But Nembhard is a good piece to build with - he's a productive 6'5" point guard who can defend. He's capable as seen when Hali was out. I'd love to have Nembhard on my team. You start with a solid PG and rebuild the team from there.

OKC may trade Chet for Giannis. Is that the better option than the Pacers' package? who knows. Rockets may offer Jabari Smith and Green. Again, there's not going to be a superstar in there, and these players won't make Bucks a contender. But it's the start for a rebuild. Because once Giannis leaves, it IS a rebuild.

I agree that it'll most likely be a rebuild if they trade Giannis which is why they need to either get their picks back from New Orleans, get decent future picks from another team and/or get young players worth building around.

Nembhard is a decent player, but not great if he's your best player going forward. Neither are late first round picks from Indiana.

Giannis is one of the top players in the NBA. I bet the Bucks could do better than that deal.

As for OKC or Houston...they can offer substantial stuff. Will they? I have no idea.

[BigGargamel]

I hope DEN is on his list. Him and Jokic together would be fun

Not so fun for the competition

I don't even entertain the thought, because Denver has absolutely nothing of value to offer.

[Mr B]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

Or Orlando, lower sales tax than Texas too. Doubt he'd choose Miami

Yea or Orlando.

[Mr B]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

Florida also has no state income tax. Orlando?

Yea or Orlando. I really think San Antonio would be his best fit though.

[BigGargamel]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

I really wish we would stop normalizing every random Twitter post as actual news. At least, without legitimate sources.

Bucks fans deserve better than to have to deal with this click bait race.

[Wolfgang630]

Why does no one ever say Orlando? Does Orlando not have assets to trade??

[og15]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

Or Orlando, lower sales tax than Texas too. Doubt he'd choose Miami

Yea or Orlando.

Who is the one writing that headline with NBA Central?

[___Rand___]

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So San Antonio, or Houston with Mavs being a dark horse team right?

Florida also has no state income tax. Orlando?

Yea or Orlando. I really think San Antonio would be his best fit though.

Who are Magic going to give up for Giannis? Will it be a straight Paolo for Giannis? There'll have to be salary fillers though I imagine.