The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[BobbieL]

I am actually happy for Mavs fans right now. Even if it makes their stupid GM look good. Spurs can use that #2 pick now in a Giannis trade.

Glad the Suns pick to Rockets went #10.

Thats not the way it works though-- the GM was rewarded for making an absolutely horrible trade

[Ghost of Kleine]

Mavs make a terrible trade and get COoper Flagg

Dude! It's just compensation to the Mavs for gifting the flakers Luka for almost nothing! Kind of par for the course like how the NBA helped the Pels land the #1 pick for Zion after they gifted AD to the Lakers a few years back, or how they helped the Lakers jump up from the 11th spot into the 2nd for Lonzo Ball that helped build that AD package too.

It's all rigged.

[BobbieL]

Mavs make a terrible trade and get COoper Flagg

Dude! It's just compensation to the Mavs for gifting the flakers Luka for almost nothing! Kind of par for the course like how the NBA helped the Pels land the #1 pick for Zion after they gifted AD to the Lakers a few years back, or how they helped the Lakers jump up from the 11th spot into the 2nd for Lonzo Ball that helped build that AD package too.

It's all rigged.

Nothing for the Suns for being stupid
Thanks Ishbia - or as I am going to start calling Dipshitbia

[Ghost of Kleine]

i read other reports about him as well. He wants to play with a star that takes the pressure off him, no state income tax. All signs point to the Spurs imo. It's also good news for the Suns because than the Rockets would focus on Durant if the Spurs get Giannis.

Or Miami with Adebayo and Herro? But then Miami might need help in a 3 team deal to escalate value enough to satisfy the Bucks interests too!

Have a tough time seeing Miami being in the running for Giannis unless he wants to go there. You're right that they'll need a 3 team trade to make it worth it for the Bucks but I also think Bam/Herro/Giannis doesn't really make a very compelling trio imo.

I only mention Miami because Giannis (per reports) had the Heat listed as one of his initial preferred teams:

https://www.si.com/nba/nets/news/report-new-york-teams-among-giannis-antetokounmpo-preferred-trade-destinations

A new report lists the Knicks and Nets as potential landing spots for Giannis Antetokounmpo, with New York joining L.A., Miami and others as rumored destinations.

Kyler Fox | May 6, 2025

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[TeamTragic]

Or Miami with Adebayo and Herro? But then Miami might need help in a 3 team deal to escalate value enough to satisfy the Bucks interests too!

Have a tough time seeing Miami being in the running for Giannis unless he wants to go there. You're right that they'll need a 3 team trade to make it worth it for the Bucks but I also think Bam/Herro/Giannis doesn't really make a very compelling trio imo.

I only mention Miami because Giannis (per reports) had the Heat listed as one of his initial preferred teams:

https://www.si.com/nba/nets/news/report-new-york-teams-among-giannis-antetokounmpo-preferred-trade-destinations

A new report lists the Knicks and Nets as potential landing spots for Giannis Antetokounmpo, with New York joining L.A., Miami and others as rumored destinations.

Kyler Fox | May 6, 2025

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No one on that list has the assets for Giannis. Second why would he leave the Bucks for a worse Nets team?

[sunsfan1o1]

NBA is so rigged

[Revived]

It’s funny the Mavs committed the worst trade in sports history and yet have still come out of it 1000000x better than the Suns.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Have a tough time seeing Miami being in the running for Giannis unless he wants to go there. You're right that they'll need a 3 team trade to make it worth it for the Bucks but I also think Bam/Herro/Giannis doesn't really make a very compelling trio imo.

I only mention Miami because Giannis (per reports) had the Heat listed as one of his initial preferred teams:

https://www.si.com/nba/nets/news/report-new-york-teams-among-giannis-antetokounmpo-preferred-trade-destinations

A new report lists the Knicks and Nets as potential landing spots for Giannis Antetokounmpo, with New York joining L.A., Miami and others as rumored destinations.

Kyler Fox | May 6, 2025

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No one on that list has the assets for Giannis. Second why would he leave the Bucks for a worse Nets team?

He has businesses in New York, The Nets have plenty of cap space to add other big names in 26' and 27' free agency, knowing that players would come there to play with Giannis. And they have a boatload of picks they can offer Milwaukee in a trade too.

As for Miami, he'd go there for their culture, the No taxes, the nightlife and the Greek food, etc. Also to play with Bam and Herro.

And LA because it's the biggest market, it'll always get propped up by the commissioner and league office, and to play with Lebron and Luka. But really though, Giannis will now end up either with the Spurs or in OKC. Most likely Adam Silver jumped them into the top 3 of the draft so they could outbid Houston and other teams to rebuild the Spurs "twin towers" dynasty again. It's just sad because it's so obvious.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I like this because of how accurate it actually is...........Lol.

[bwgood77]

Glad to see the Mavs win the lottery. Their fans deserve it. I think they will be a very tough team.

Unbelievable the Spurs got the 2nd pick. Thank God they didn't get the 1st pick.

[MrMiyagi]

Trade KD to Dallas for Flagg

[lilfishi22]

Or Miami with Adebayo and Herro? But then Miami might need help in a 3 team deal to escalate value enough to satisfy the Bucks interests too!

Have a tough time seeing Miami being in the running for Giannis unless he wants to go there. You're right that they'll need a 3 team trade to make it worth it for the Bucks but I also think Bam/Herro/Giannis doesn't really make a very compelling trio imo.

I only mention Miami because Giannis (per reports) had the Heat listed as one of his initial preferred teams:

https://www.si.com/nba/nets/news/report-new-york-teams-among-giannis-antetokounmpo-preferred-trade-destinations

A new report lists the Knicks and Nets as potential landing spots for Giannis Antetokounmpo, with New York joining L.A., Miami and others as rumored destinations.

Kyler Fox | May 6, 2025

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Gotcha. I didn't see his preferences. I guess the point still stands, there will need to be a 3rd team involved to make it worth while for the Bucks. Miami's picks are nice by I think their young talent is pretty shallow. Generally for a guy like Giannis, you want a bonafide young prospect which I don't think Ware is right now. Ware had a good rookie season, is probably on one of the 2 All Rookie teams but he's not the blue chip prospect you hope to get in a Giannis trade.

[Mulhollanddrive]

God decides everything, except Adam Silver and the NBA lottery

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Happy for the Mavs! But it was always part of the Devil's Bargain" that Nico struck with Silver to just hand Doncic over to the lakers for peanuts.

This tweet illustrates the collusion payoff value they were given for Luka. Also the Spurs jumping to the 2nd pick is clearly engineered to help them bid for Giannis to recreate the 2nd iteration of the Spurs dynasty " Twin towers" Just like when they had BOTH of Robinson and Duncan with Fox in the Parker role, Castle in the Ginobli role, etc.

But at least the Rockets didn't gain any value now.

[bwgood77]

It’s funny the Mavs committed the worst trade in sports history and yet have still come out of it 1000000x better than the Suns.

I was hoping they won it. I talk with a Mavs fan a bit who has been really down was mentioning maybe it's better if you lose the 2nd play in just to have a slim chance at Flagg since they'd face OKC anyway without Kyrie.

It might have actually worked better for them in the long run trading Luka if they can stay healthy (provided had they kept Luka they would have made the playoffs this year and not gotten Flagg).

By AD (and then Kyrie) being out, Flagg almost becomes part of the trade, because had they kept Luka, they would be in the playoffs.

But a lineup of Kyrie, Klay, Flagg, AD and Lively is very tough with Gafford, Naji Marshall, Max Christie, Dinwiddie, Dante Exum, Caleb Martin is a very good starting lineup and bench.

[bwgood77]

Have a tough time seeing Miami being in the running for Giannis unless he wants to go there. You're right that they'll need a 3 team trade to make it worth it for the Bucks but I also think Bam/Herro/Giannis doesn't really make a very compelling trio imo.

I only mention Miami because Giannis (per reports) had the Heat listed as one of his initial preferred teams:

https://www.si.com/nba/nets/news/report-new-york-teams-among-giannis-antetokounmpo-preferred-trade-destinations

A new report lists the Knicks and Nets as potential landing spots for Giannis Antetokounmpo, with New York joining L.A., Miami and others as rumored destinations.

Kyler Fox | May 6, 2025

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Gotcha. I didn't see his preferences. I guess the point still stands, there will need to be a 3rd team involved to make it worth while for the Bucks. Miami's picks are nice by I think their young talent is pretty shallow. Generally for a guy like Giannis, you want a bonafide young prospect which I don't think Ware is right now. Ware had a good rookie season, is probably on one of the 2 All Rookie teams but he's not the blue chip prospect you hope to get in a Giannis trade.

Unless they just want tons of picks....and maybe Cam/Claxton, though the Nets would be pretty bare unless they keep some decent players to play with Giannis.

The Nets are in the driver's seat this summer because of their cap flexibility. Including the free agent holds of Cam Thomas, Day'Ron Sharpe and the team's four first-round picks, Brooklyn projects to have $45 million in cap space.

Brooklyn has 15 future first-round picks, including 13 that are tradable. The Knicks owe Brooklyn three future firsts (2027, 2029, 2031) and swap rights in 2028 (or Phoenix). If the 76ers retain their first-round pick this season, they will send Brooklyn a top-8-protected first in 2028. The pick is top-8 protected in 2027 if the first in 2025 is sent to Oklahoma City. In addition, the Nets have the less favorable 2029 first of Dallas, Phoenix and Houston. The Rockets also have the right to swap firsts in 2027. The Nets also have 15 second-round picks available to trade.

Free agents: D'Angelo Russell, De'Anthony Melton, Trendon Watford, Ziaire Williams, Cam Thomas, Day'Ron Sharpe, Tyrese Martin (Team), Drew Timme (Team), Keon Johnson (Team), Jalen Wilson (Team)

Rookie scale contracts: Noah Clowney ($3.4 million, RFA 2027), Dariq Whitehead ($3.2 million, RFA 2027)

Sizable contracts: Nic Claxton ($25.4 million, UFA 2028), Cameron Johnson ($21.1 million, UFA 2027)

Other contracts: Maxwell Lewis (2.2 million, Team 2026), Johnson ($2.3 million, Team 2025), Wilson ($2.2 million, Team 2025), Martin ($2.2 million, Team 2025), Timme ($2 million, Team 2025)

[Ghost of Kleine]

Have a tough time seeing Miami being in the running for Giannis unless he wants to go there. You're right that they'll need a 3 team trade to make it worth it for the Bucks but I also think Bam/Herro/Giannis doesn't really make a very compelling trio imo.

I only mention Miami because Giannis (per reports) had the Heat listed as one of his initial preferred teams:

https://www.si.com/nba/nets/news/report-new-york-teams-among-giannis-antetokounmpo-preferred-trade-destinations

A new report lists the Knicks and Nets as potential landing spots for Giannis Antetokounmpo, with New York joining L.A., Miami and others as rumored destinations.

Kyler Fox | May 6, 2025

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Gotcha. I didn't see his preferences. I guess the point still stands, there will need to be a 3rd team involved to make it worth while for the Bucks. Miami's picks are nice by I think their young talent is pretty shallow. Generally for a guy like Giannis, you want a bonafide young prospect which I don't think Ware is right now. Ware had a good rookie season, is probably on one of the 2 All Rookie teams but he's not the blue chip prospect you hope to get in a Giannis trade.

There was another recent report that came out ( I have to find it again) that mentioned the Bucks want to try and he competitive to limit the value of the picks that New Orleans owns of theirs in their 26' and 27' swaps. Also mentioned that Milwaukee ( if not accommodating Giannis' preferences, might gave interest in a Giannis to New Orleans trade for Zion and their picks back ( plus a couple of New Orleans picks likely too).

I'd be intrigued to find a way to get in on either of these trades if possible? As a 3rd team facilitator etc. But would have to really parse out potential value framework.

[dremill24]

Can San Antonio get Giannis AND KD?

[bwgood77]

Trade KD to Dallas for Flagg

I saw people saying that on X. The only problem is that Ishbia is our GM, not their's. I know they have Nico but I don't even think he'd do that.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm happy for this Rockets outcome because despite how much I truly hate the idea of Giannis on the Spurs, this 10th pick outcome means that the Rockets now have very little chance of outbidding any of Brooklyn, OKC, or San Antonio for Giannis. And that tracs in our favor to then trade them KD as a consolation prize for our picks back and some young players and fillers too!