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I'm not trading Harper right now. Makes Castle much more tradeable though. Issue is I can't think of a good target.
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desitmac91 wrote:jakecronus8 wrote:I get fans thinking they can steal Giannis for spare parts and mid picks. The reality is the Bucks as an organization don't need to move him unless there's premium assets involved.
Giannis as a box office attraction alone makes it worth it to just hang on to him. The GM just signed an extension so he has no urgency to try and save his job.
Long story short, a scenario in which Giannis is traded comes down to him asking for it and it being worthwhile for Milwaukee. He has 2+1 left on his contract. He's a top 3 player in the world (I'd say the best) and a perennial MVP candidate. There is no reason to take the best crap offer out there.
For people who think there is no way Flagg is traded for Giannis, keep in mind Kevin Love was traded for a similarly hyped prospect in Wiggins+. If he's moved the package will be in the category of largest trade packages in league history.
I've seen fans cope like this for 20 years, and it's always just that: copium. James Harden went for 4 first round picks and no blue-chip prospects after averaging 36 PPG.
Also, Wiggins was hyped in HS, not college. Wiggins/Parker/Embiid was a real debate.
This was years before Harden was traded. In the years that led up to the trade, he did everything he could to lower his trade value.
I agree that the Wiggins/Flagg comp is a long ways off though.
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TheNetsFan wrote:If the Spurs put #2 and/or Castle on the table for Giannis, do the Bucks engage NOLA for their picks back? Does NOLA entertain that?
I would have to think in this scenario, the Bucks would need a lot more than just their picks coming back to give New Orleans the #2 pick. I'd be willing to consider Castle though.
trwi7 wrote:**** me deep, Giannis. ****. Me. Deep.
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That’s way too much
It’s #2,14, 2026 1st , Vassell , Barnes or Sochran for Giannis
Spurs running
Castle
Fox
Barnes or Sochan
Giannis
Wemby
It’s #2,14, 2026 1st , Vassell , Barnes or Sochran for Giannis
Spurs running
Castle
Fox
Barnes or Sochan
Giannis
Wemby
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machu46 wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:If the Spurs put #2 and/or Castle on the table for Giannis, do the Bucks engage NOLA for their picks back? Does NOLA entertain that?
I would have to think in this scenario, the Bucks would need a lot more than just their picks coming back to give New Orleans the #2 pick. I'd be willing to consider Castle though.
It could include #7 from NOLA as well. I don't know if NOLA would do a 3 for 1 (technically it's 2 firsts and a swap), but Harper would be perfect for NOLA.
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Chinook wrote:I do think some Bucks fans may be falling into the same trap that fans of stars who "ask out" do where they overestimate the leverage they have. No, Giannis hasn't publicly asked for a trade yet. But a trade isn't going to happen unless he does, so we shouldn't pretend like the Bucks would be in a position where they can "just keep him," if/when they're already taking calls.
I don't necessarily think Giannis will be able to pick his team like Chuck said. I think he'll be able to express his sentiments, and the Bucks would try to accommodate that. As much as he means to the Bucks, Lillard meant to the Trailblazers, and we saw what happened there. If the team he wants to go to comes correct, they'll get it. If they try to strongarm Milwaukee and other teams step up, he'll go elsewhere. The Bucks do NOT owe Giannis so much that they'd take a bad deal from his preferred choice.
That said, Bucks fans thinking they are going to get a true centerpiece in a trade are setting themselves up for disappointment. Most contenders don't have those kinds of pieces, and most rebuilding teams are (or should be) smart enough to understand that trading for Giannis using their best pieces doesn't set them up for profit any more than it did to Milwaukee. The list of teams that could win the lottery and want to trade that pick for Giannis (especially that PLUS a bunch of value) is really small. Like it might just be Dallas.
It's not San Antonio, who's much closer to a rebuilding team than a fringe contender. Wembanyama had a career-threatening condition and was already still years away. Fox is an extremely flawed player. Castle is still a major negative. Vassell has to undergo some mental shift to become a role-player who devotes his energy to defense and spot-up shooting rather than … whatever Pop was trying to get him to do.
Do I think the Spurs should look into ways to make some moderate to strong improvements to their roster? Yes. I'm actually a fan of a potential Durant acquisition precisely because his older. His contract won't conflict with the hopeful max contracts coming up for the young guys, he fits well with the major players on the team already, and he should age gracefully as the team transitions from him being the top guy to Wemby being the top guy. I'd far prefer the Spurs make a sensible push for Durant than sell the farm for Giannis, whether the package is enough for Bucks fans or not.
I'm surprised that you being a Spurs fan here would prefer Durant over Giannis. I get the hesitation of selling the farm over him along with the current Spurs team are light years away from being a true contender. Durant from the money perspective would help the Spurs out financially towards dealing with future upcoming contracts. As for Durant himself, would he be more beneficial to a contender moreso with the Spurs currently?
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SD2042 wrote:Chinook wrote:I do think some Bucks fans may be falling into the same trap that fans of stars who "ask out" do where they overestimate the leverage they have. No, Giannis hasn't publicly asked for a trade yet. But a trade isn't going to happen unless he does, so we shouldn't pretend like the Bucks would be in a position where they can "just keep him," if/when they're already taking calls.
I don't necessarily think Giannis will be able to pick his team like Chuck said. I think he'll be able to express his sentiments, and the Bucks would try to accommodate that. As much as he means to the Bucks, Lillard meant to the Trailblazers, and we saw what happened there. If the team he wants to go to comes correct, they'll get it. If they try to strongarm Milwaukee and other teams step up, he'll go elsewhere. The Bucks do NOT owe Giannis so much that they'd take a bad deal from his preferred choice.
That said, Bucks fans thinking they are going to get a true centerpiece in a trade are setting themselves up for disappointment. Most contenders don't have those kinds of pieces, and most rebuilding teams are (or should be) smart enough to understand that trading for Giannis using their best pieces doesn't set them up for profit any more than it did to Milwaukee. The list of teams that could win the lottery and want to trade that pick for Giannis (especially that PLUS a bunch of value) is really small. Like it might just be Dallas.
It's not San Antonio, who's much closer to a rebuilding team than a fringe contender. Wembanyama had a career-threatening condition and was already still years away. Fox is an extremely flawed player. Castle is still a major negative. Vassell has to undergo some mental shift to become a role-player who devotes his energy to defense and spot-up shooting rather than … whatever Pop was trying to get him to do.
Do I think the Spurs should look into ways to make some moderate to strong improvements to their roster? Yes. I'm actually a fan of a potential Durant acquisition precisely because his older. His contract won't conflict with the hopeful max contracts coming up for the young guys, he fits well with the major players on the team already, and he should age gracefully as the team transitions from him being the top guy to Wemby being the top guy. I'd far prefer the Spurs make a sensible push for Durant than sell the farm for Giannis, whether the package is enough for Bucks fans or not.
I'm surprised that you being a Spurs fan here would prefer Durant over Giannis. I get the hesitation of selling the farm over him along with the current Spurs team are light years away from being a true contender. Durant from the money perspective would help the Spurs out financially towards dealing with future upcoming contracts. As for Durant himself, would he be more beneficial to a contender moreso with the Spurs currently?
I actually think Durant would be a fantastic mentor for Wemby. KD made his career doing a lot of the things Wemby is trying to learn to do consistently. From what I've heard, Durant loves to teach young players and coach them up. Especially given where Durant is in his career, I do think he'd be more than happy to take Wemby under his wing. If that helps Victor develop, that's worth just as much if not more than the short-term boost in talent that Durant offers.
I also think they seem to have a good relationship, which we saw during the Olympics when Durant comforted Wemby after the gold-medal match. The same isn't necessarily true for Wemby and Giannis. I haven't heard them make negative comments toward each other, but I've gotten the impression that they don't actually like each other. Wemby and Giannis on the same team would be the Spurs hoping the talent overcomes the dissonant fit. Durant and Wemby compliment each other. Factor in the price difference and the fact that the Spurs lucked out in the lottery and should be able to draft a second offensive hub who could also pick Durant's brain, and the fit seems amazing.
The question for me isn't if the Spurs should do it -- I think it'd be the best move they could make. It'd be if Durant sees the Spurs as the opportunity to write the perfect coda to his career that it is, or if he'll try to chase another situation that gives him the control he's demanded in Brooklyn and Phoenix.
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KdoubleDees23 wrote:That’s way too much
It’s #2,14, 2026 1st , Vassell , Barnes or Sochran for Giannis
Spurs running
Castle
Fox
Barnes or Sochan
Giannis
Wemby
OKC easily beat that if they're willing to include Chet.
If you want to try to measure the elements of basketball that are supposedly unmeasurable, spend a game just watching Marc Gasol.
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sisibilio wrote:KdoubleDees23 wrote:That’s way too much
It’s #2,14, 2026 1st , Vassell , Barnes or Sochran for Giannis
Spurs running
Castle
Fox
Barnes or Sochan
Giannis
Wemby
OKC easily beat that if they're willing to include Chet.
Let them do it? The Spurs can't make a bad trade just to keep OKC from making a trade.
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