2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

Post #721 » by **DuckIII** » Tue May 13, 2025 2:32 am

I wrote this in the lottery thread, but it belongs here.

So lets start with the following assumption: In some order, Flagg, Harper, Ace, VJ and Tre Johnson go top 5. That's not a lock, but I'm pretty confident all 5 of those guys can safely be taken off the board for the 12th pick.

So here is who I like of the rest, not in order:

KJ
Kon
Essenge
Fears
Maluach
Demin
CMB
Queen
Bryant
Fleming
Riley
Saraf

That's 12 more guys that I like beyond the consensus top 5. And I like them all more than I like Newell or Richardson.

But I don't like them all equally. The ones that would really excite me would be, in order KJ (I consider him a top 6 talent in this draft), CMB, Maluach and Demin. They all have very unique attributes and, other than Maluach who is raw, the other 3 play with extremely high BB IQs and might be the 3 best passers in the draft. I am putting a high emphasis offensively on shooting (duh) and especially ball movement, creativity, and "doesn't stick in my hands-ness". With Giddey, lets just get out and run with smart guys who share it and see what happens. That's what I want. Run and gun the **** out of it.

Maluach is an exception just because he's unique and guys like him are becoming more important to roster construction. We also have about the worst interior D you are going to find.

We aren't gonna be contenders, but we could think about the game differently and be novel and entertaining. I could live with that until we get a FO interested in patient, sustainable team building.

The ones I'm meh about at 12, even though they made my list, are Saraf, Fleming and Bryant. But again, if any of these guys on my list get their name called at 12, I'm fine with it.

Red Larrivee · Post #722 » by **Red Larrivee** » Tue May 13, 2025 2:32 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Guru wrote:
His wingspan is the same as Derek Queens

He has a longer wingspan than Newell as well and only 1 inch less on standing reach.

And no offense.

He can't shoot. But, he does everything else solid to well offensively.

Guru · Post #723 » by **Guru** » Tue May 13, 2025 2:34 am

DuckIII wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
He has a longer wingspan than Newell as well and only 1 inch less on standing reach.

Julius Randle: 6'7.75 barefoot, 8'9.5 standing reach, 7'0 wingspan, 249 lbs
Aaron Gordon: 6'7.50 barefoot, 8'9.5 standing reach, 6'11.75 wingspan, 220 lbs

Murray-Boyles is an inch shorter and in between them weight wise, but checks off everywhere else. I think the concern was if the 6'8 mark was accurate, but it more/less is with shoes. I think he can definitely defend 4's at the next level.

I think he's being underrated some. Skilled player with strong two-way upside. Needs to make some strides with the jumper. Big improvement as a playmaker this past season.

He's grown on me tremendously. Now that we are locked in at 12, he's very high on my list of preferred targets. The more I watch his video, the more I love his game.

His BBIQ is off the charts on offense and defense and he played with bad talent.

burlydee · Post #724 » by **burlydee** » Tue May 13, 2025 2:36 am

Of the guys around our pick gove me CMB, KJ, Maluauch.

The only guy I'm totally out on is Jase Richardson although I don't think Newell's tape or Essengue's tape is all that impressive.

Carter Bryant should go back to school, but if he doesn't, he's a possibility.

The thing I like about CMB and KJ is that they were the man for their teams and mostly performed. That means they were often the primary initiator against set defenses. I haven't seen that from Bryant. Newell he's mostly finishing plays. Essengue's tape is funny bc he's playing in a league that looks like it doesn’t believe in rim protection.

Post #725 » by **DuckIII** » Tue May 13, 2025 2:38 am

Guru wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
Julius Randle: 6'7.75 barefoot, 8'9.5 standing reach, 7'0 wingspan, 249 lbs
Aaron Gordon: 6'7.50 barefoot, 8'9.5 standing reach, 6'11.75 wingspan, 220 lbs

Murray-Boyles is an inch shorter and in between them weight wise, but checks off everywhere else. I think the concern was if the 6'8 mark was accurate, but it more/less is with shoes. I think he can definitely defend 4's at the next level.

I think he's being underrated some. Skilled player with strong two-way upside. Needs to make some strides with the jumper. Big improvement as a playmaker this past season.

He's grown on me tremendously. Now that we are locked in at 12, he's very high on my list of preferred targets. The more I watch his video, the more I love his game.

His BBIQ is off the charts on offense and defense and he played with bad talent.

The shot is a concern. We need shooters. But I want ballers. I want unique prospects. We can sign "shooters" in free agency. Every season the NBA gets flooded with more and more of them. Its not a requirement for me depending on the prospect. CMB is one such guy.

othawhitemeat · Post #726 » by **othawhitemeat** » Tue May 13, 2025 2:38 am

Give me Clayton Jr unless someone slides. 6'4 w shoes on - best point guard scorer in draft, can shoot and pass. Underrated cause he is not 6'5 or 6'6 and older

Guru · Post #727 » by **Guru** » Tue May 13, 2025 2:47 am

My board today with the belief that the top 7 will obviously be gone by 12 is.....

1 F-Cooper Flagg-Duke

2 G-Dylan Harper-Rutgers

3 G-VJ Edgecombe-Baylor

4 W-Ace Bailey-Rutgers

5 G-Jeremiah Fears-Oklahoma
6 G-Tre Johnson-Texas
7 C-Derik Queen-Maryland

8 F-Collin Murray-Boyles-S Carolina
9 F-Noa Essengue-Germany
10 F-Yaxel Landeborg-UAB

11 F-Carter Bryant-Arizona
12 W-Rasheer Fleming-St Joseph's

13 C-Maxime Raynaud-Stanford

Do not draft list
G-Jase Richardson-Michigan St
PG-Kasparas Jakuciois-Illinois
G-Egor Demin-BYU
W-Kon Kneuppel-Duke
C-Khaman Maluach-Duke
F-Liam McNeeley-Uconn

Rose2Boozer · Post #728 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:01 am

2025 NBA Lottery Mock

Mavs: Cooper Flagg
Spurs: Dylan Harper
Sixers: Ace Bailey
Hornets: VJ Edgecombe
Jazz: Tre Johnson
Wizards: Derik Queen
Pelicans: Kon Knueppel
Nets: Jeremiah Fears
Raptors: Khaman Maluach
Rockets: Kasparas Jakucionis
Blazers: Collin Murray-Boyles
Bulls: Jase Richardson
Hawks: Asa Newell
Spurs: Maxime Raynaud

TheSuzerain · Post #729 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:05 am

Cedric Coward is a strange one but interesting.

Muzbar · Post #730 » by **Muzbar** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:22 am

TheSuzerain wrote:Cedric Coward is a strange one but interesting.

He only played 6 games this year, so it's a small sample size for this year. But last year he put up similar numbers.

He's a bit of an enigma.

Muzbar · Post #731 » by **Muzbar** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:35 am

Read on Twitter

This is another guy I'm VERY interested in.

Decent measurements, especially that wingspan.

Would be very happy with him also.

Muzbar · Post #732 » by **Muzbar** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:40 am

Read on Twitter

Was hoping Rocco would have a bigger wingspan, especially being 7'3" barefoot. But he's a big unit regardless and would be a great pick in the 2nd round if he's available.

The Box Office · Post #733 » by **The Box Office** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:41 am

Our pick will arrive to Jase Richardson or Thomas Sorber.

Rose2Boozer · Post #734 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:47 am

Prospect Comparison

Joan Beringer vs. Rueben Chinyelu

Watch on YouTube

Rose2Boozer · Post #735 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:54 am

Muzbar wrote:

Read on Twitter

This is another guy I'm VERY interested in.

Decent measurements, especially that wingspan.

Would be very happy with him also.

Solid measurements. He could slim down to about 250-255lbs, and maybe he'll look better vertically.

WindyCityBorn · Post #736 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Tue May 13, 2025 5:05 am

burlydee wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
He has a longer wingspan than Newell as well and only 1 inch less on standing reach.

And no offense.

He averaged 20 pts a game on a .630 TS% while having an elite assist to turnover ratio for a power forward. His OBPM was elite for college.

His scoring doesn’t translate.

WindyCityBorn · Post #737 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Tue May 13, 2025 5:07 am

DuckIII wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
He has a longer wingspan than Newell as well and only 1 inch less on standing reach.

And no offense.

That's definitely not true. Unless you have a very narrow definition of offense.

He won’t have offensive skill of a modern 4 in the NBA.

Red8911 · Post #738 » by **Red8911** » Tue May 13, 2025 5:09 am

So far 2 names stand out to me that might interest the Bulls.First is Kasparas Jakucionis. Same reasons AK got Matas last year Lithuanian and even played in Chicago for college.Hes apparently projected to be top 10.Only problem is this team is full of guards.

Then second Maluach the center from Duke. First he’s a center which is a Bulls need and also being from Sudan he has connections to Luol Deng.

Chi town · Post #739 » by **Chi town** » Tue May 13, 2025 6:11 am

Jcool0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Dang. 6’9+ in shoes with that handle and shot.

Chi town · Post #740 » by **Chi town** » Tue May 13, 2025 6:13 am

Jcool0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

6’5+ in shoes helps VJ a ton.

He’s going to be a monster on D.