What is the plan here?

[Scase]

I’m going to post this over and over again if cooper doesn’t pan out.

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Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Bingo, my time and money is earned, not freely given. The NBA product as a whole has gotten worse, and now having a team that has zero path to being anything more than cannon fodder for properly built teams, is just not worth my time.

Ingram is 2nd, Scottie is 4th, rj 3rd, potel 9th, apart from IQ , we have 4 of top guys top 10 picks, but somehow that’s not enough, everyone is depressed lol

Anthony Bennet was a 1st OA pick, lets go get him, using your "logic" we'll be on the path to a chip.

I didn't think you could post something with even more nonsense, but I tip my hat to you in sinking below how low that bar was.

[rapz101]

I think losing out on this pick was devastating, not sure how you guys can continue rationalizing the next step when we’ve been given rotten smelly lemons.

On that note, if the player we pick at 9 turns out to be a star, I can shut up and just be happy how it went down. But right now, this absolutely stinks.

Some post are shill. There's MLSE employees in realgm.

I wouldn’t doubt it (the MLSE employee part) lmao.

[Clutch0z24]

I will say this....If next season we are back in the lottery....You have to look at trading Barnes....Since we started to build around him we been nothing but losers....Next year is a make it or break it year for Barnes imo...

[notagenius]

With Tatum going down and Giannis most likely traded to the west, the east is going to be bad.

We might make a playoff run next year.

[Mikey Streetz]

We should have won exactly as many games as the Mavs or at least the Spurs ffs and held their lottery positions... we would have had 1st or 2nd at the very least... I mean, it was SO obvious and that's what I would have done.

Now all we can do is pray that Masai drafts the best player at 9 (because look at his abysmal track record) to add to our aging roster because nobody wants to come to Toronto.... ESPN.... Taxes... Cold weather... Customs...

[isyed]

Masai almost always picks right and most picks in a redraft end up being top 5 players in their draft so no issues.

I can see a golden state like mini run

IQ- poor man's steph, one of the best top of the key shooters in the league
Scottie - hyper draymond with much better offence
BI - Durant lite, finisher and uso shot creator
Dick - dreadfully poor man's Klay, will be our best movement shooter this year
RJ - more complete Barbisa, scorer and Creator of the bench
Poetl - 2015 version of bogut, good passers, better defender and big man defender but equally horrible free throw shooter
Mogbo-- Iggy lite, defender, passers but super raw still
Jakobe - sg version of barnes but maybe more consistent and better creator

We still have shead, our 9th pick this year and the other young guys like comche, battle and our 39th pick which we know our scouts will hit on.

Maybe not a dynasty but still good enough to be a top 4 in the east imo


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[TheRaptor!]

Treadmill with 1st round exits the next 3-4 years, Scottie walks or we trade him on an expiring with no leverage, after trading away another FRP to try and compete, only to have it spectacularly blow up in our faces again.

We got our chip by stockpiling valuable assets, we have moved away from that and are stockpiling SRP level players, and cast off players that other franchises have no interest in.

The team will absolutely be more watchable, and they will have a modicum of success, the "I just want to see the team win" crowd will be happy, and we will continue to be irrelevant while people point to our record in a weak east. The earth continues to spin.

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Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Damn this really hit home, especially because I was in uni during the Bosh years and had unlimited amount of energy to watch every single raptors game, even through the darkest of times, I just don't have it in me anymore. The past 2 years, is the least number of games I have watched since the late 90's. I guess I'm trying to use this thread to see how I can justify coming back to watch the games again on a regular basis

Imagine working all day from 9-5, get home at 6 pm, cook dinner by 7-730.

Then you got about 4.5 hrs before bed time around midnight, you got a wife who wants attention and possibly even kids as well as wanting some alone time to wind down or game for a bit or catch up on a show.

This is just a typical weekday...does spending 2.5 hours on a mediocre product like the Raptors seem like a good idea to you guys?

[TravisScott55]

Be mediocre

[ForeverTFC]

I think losing out on this pick was devastating, not sure how you guys can continue rationalizing the next step when we’ve been given rotten smelly lemons.

On that note, if the player we pick at 9 turns out to be a star, I can shut up and just be happy how it went down. But right now, this absolutely stinks.

Some post are shill. There's MLSE employees in realgm.

Who’s happy with this outcome? The Mavs and Spurs got picks 1 and 2. What the hell does that have to do with shilling for Masai or MLSE?

If anything I’m thankful now that we made the Ingram trade. The only path forward that doesn’t involve a ton of luck is slowly building up. There is no other way if you want to control your destiny to some degree.

[djsunyc]

We're building around Scottie, is that it? I held out hope that Scottie was just a placeholder "franchise player" until we get a top 5-6 pick (pushing Scottie to a number 2 or 3 option) but now that's out the window, where does this team go from here? If Brandon freaking Ingram is our best player over the next 2-3 seasons, we are in for a very long ride. Something has to give



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keep making moves until we find something that works. dont pay attention to what is said as alot of it is PR.

scottie could be traded within 2 years. masai may not be here after this season.

this roster is in a state of transition. only scottie is here from 2 seasons ago.

the plan is to compete next season and try to make the post season. we dont know if it will happen but the attempt will be there, unlike this past season.

[Appostis]

I will say this....If next season we are back in the lottery....You have to look at trading Barnes....Since we started to build around him we been nothing but losers....Next year is a make it or break it year for Barnes imo...

Possibly unless it's another year decimated by injuries.

[mdenny]

There is no plan you just keep asset building and hope for better results....Also the childish people saying in threads "Oh we laughing at team tank" As if we are the ones on this board controlling the direction of the team is going in....We have just been a bad to mid team....Masai is the one who went this direction because he himself knows we need a influx of talent to come somewhere and the draft has always and will always be the Raptors best friend regardless where we are picking...

Trades are not as easy anymore due to stars hand picking their destinations....Like Giannis he will hand pick where he wants to go....Prolly Spurs/Houston/OKC or one of the big market teams...

Raptors are very limited in ways to upgrade the roster and alot will harp on getting draft picks right...Even if we fell to 9th we just gotta hope Masai gets the pick right...

But yeah we are far away from contending still...We might be a fringe playoff team next year but theres not much to be overly excited about.

So basically do the OKC path and accumalte draft picks while going full tank mode.

Honestly for markets like Toronto that is our only hope. This current rostere is just delaying the inevitable.

We are doing nothing like what OKC did. They blatantly tanked and accumulated assets for a few years whereas the Raptors have exactly 0 1st Round Picks that aren't their own, nor do we have a real franchise player lol.

This is so hilarious. Let's do some numbers for the draft hype people:

# of top 5 picks in okc rotation: 1
# of top 10 picks in okc rotation: 2
# of top 20 picks in okc rotation: 4
# of top 5 picks in raptor rotation: 3
# of top 10 picks in raptor rotation: 5
# of top 20 picks in raptor rotation: 8

OKC didn't build themselves through the draft. They were built through trades and player development.

In fact....let's take an average drafting position of the 10 man rosters from both teams:

Raps:

Ingram - 2
Rj - 3
Scotty - 4
Poetl - 9
New pick - 9
Gradey - 13
Agbaji - 14
Walter - 19
Mogbo - 31
Shead - 45

So the average draft selection slot of the raptors is 14.9

Okc:

Chet - 1
Wallace - 10
Sga - 11
Jdub - 12
Jaylin williams - 34
Hartenstien - 43
Joe - 49
Wiggins - 55
Dort - 61 (undrafted)
Caruso - 61 (undrafted)

So the average draft selection slot of the Thunder is 33.7

So average pick selection of thunder rotation is not even a first rounder. Clearly, okc is not the product of tanking.

[Tripod]

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Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Damn this really hit home, especially because I was in uni during the Bosh years and had unlimited amount of energy to watch every single raptors game, even through the darkest of times, I just don't have it in me anymore. The past 2 years, is the least number of games I have watched since the late 90's. I guess I'm trying to use this thread to see how I can justify coming back to watch the games again on a regular basis

Imagine working all day from 9-5, get home at 6 pm, cook dinner by 7-730.

Then you got about 4.5 hrs before bed time around midnight, you got a wife who wants attention and possibly even kids as well as wanting some alone time to wind down or game for a bit or catch up on a show.

This is just a typical weekday...does spending 2.5 hours on a mediocre product like the Raptors seem like a good idea to you guys?

Did you think the same thing in 2014-2018?

[Tor_Raps]

So basically do the OKC path and accumalte draft picks while going full tank mode.

Honestly for markets like Toronto that is our only hope. This current rostere is just delaying the inevitable.

We are doing nothing like what OKC did. They blatantly tanked and accumulated assets for a few years whereas the Raptors have exactly 0 1st Round Picks that aren't their own, nor do we have a real franchise player lol.

This is so hilarious. Let's do some numbers for the draft hype people:

# of top 5 picks in okc rotation: 1
# of top 10 picks in okc rotation: 2
# of top 20 picks in okc rotation: 4
# of top 5 picks in raptor rotation: 3
# of top 10 picks in raptor rotation: 5
# of top 20 picks in raptor rotation: 8

OKC didn't build themselves through the draft. They were built through trades and player development.

In fact....let's take an average drafting position of the 10 man rosters from both teams:

Raps:

Ingram - 2
Rj - 3
Scotty - 4
Poetl - 9
New pick - 9
Gradey - 13
Agbaji - 14
Walter - 19
Mogbo - 31
Shead - 45

So the average draft selection slot of the raptors is 14.9

Okc:

Chet - 1
Wallace - 10
Sga - 11
Jdub - 12
Jaylin williams - 34
Hartenstien - 43
Joe - 49
Wiggins - 55
Dort - 61 (undrafted)
Caruso - 61 (undrafted)

So the average draft selection slot of the Thunder is 33.7

So average pick selection of thunder rotation is not even a first rounder. Clearly, okc is not the product of tanking.

They're a product of tanking for a few years and making great trades that got them with a surplus of draft picks for multiple kicks at the can. With Masai's great track record, many people wanted him to do the same by not trading picks away + not letting assets walk or go for less than originally expected.

It's very obvious why the team has been in its current position. There's no need to do a deep dive on mediocrity, results speak for themselves.

[Tripod]

So basically do the OKC path and accumalte draft picks while going full tank mode.

Honestly for markets like Toronto that is our only hope. This current rostere is just delaying the inevitable.

We are doing nothing like what OKC did. They blatantly tanked and accumulated assets for a few years whereas the Raptors have exactly 0 1st Round Picks that aren't their own, nor do we have a real franchise player lol.

This is so hilarious. Let's do some numbers for the draft hype people:

# of top 5 picks in okc rotation: 1
# of top 10 picks in okc rotation: 2
# of top 20 picks in okc rotation: 4
# of top 5 picks in raptor rotation: 3
# of top 10 picks in raptor rotation: 5
# of top 20 picks in raptor rotation: 8

OKC didn't build themselves through the draft. They were built through trades and player development.

In fact....let's take an average drafting position of the 10 man rosters from both teams:

Raps:

Ingram - 2
Rj - 3
Scotty - 4
Poetl - 9
New pick - 9
Gradey - 13
Agbaji - 14
Walter - 19
Mogbo - 31
Shead - 45

So the average draft selection slot of the raptors is 14.9

Okc:

Chet - 1
Wallace - 10
Sga - 11
Jdub - 12
Jaylin williams - 34
Hartenstien - 43
Joe - 49
Wiggins - 55
Dort - 61 (undrafted)
Caruso - 61 (undrafted)

So the average draft selection slot of the Thunder is 33.7

So average pick selection of thunder rotation is not even a first rounder. Clearly, okc is not the product of tanking.

Great point. But FYI....Chet was #2

[Godaddycurse]

Let this team grow and get better organically. the 2019/2020 championship caliber team didnt develop overnight. Took 5+ years of playoff berths and retooling/tinkering before we became a contender. You guys need to have patience and let Masai cook.

[Tripod]

Let this team grow and get better organically. the 2019/2020 championship caliber team didnt develop overnight. Took 5+ years of playoff berths and retooling/tinkering before we became a contender. You guys need to have patience and let Masai cook.

Yeah the plan has not changed one bit by dropping 2 spots in a draft.

[ishoy123]

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Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Damn this really hit home, especially because I was in uni during the Bosh years and had unlimited amount of energy to watch every single raptors game, even through the darkest of times, I just don't have it in me anymore. The past 2 years, is the least number of games I have watched since the late 90's. I guess I'm trying to use this thread to see how I can justify coming back to watch the games again on a regular basis

Imagine working all day from 9-5, get home at 6 pm, cook dinner by 7-730.

Then you got about 4.5 hrs before bed time around midnight, you got a wife who wants attention and possibly even kids as well as wanting some alone time to wind down or game for a bit or catch up on a show.

This is just a typical weekday...does spending 2.5 hours on a mediocre product like the Raptors seem like a good idea to you guys?

What does this have to do with picking 9th instead of 7th?

[mdenny]

We are doing nothing like what OKC did. They blatantly tanked and accumulated assets for a few years whereas the Raptors have exactly 0 1st Round Picks that aren't their own, nor do we have a real franchise player lol.

This is so hilarious. Let's do some numbers for the draft hype people:

# of top 5 picks in okc rotation: 1
# of top 10 picks in okc rotation: 2
# of top 20 picks in okc rotation: 4
# of top 5 picks in raptor rotation: 3
# of top 10 picks in raptor rotation: 5
# of top 20 picks in raptor rotation: 8

OKC didn't build themselves through the draft. They were built through trades and player development.

In fact....let's take an average drafting position of the 10 man rosters from both teams:

Raps:

Ingram - 2
Rj - 3
Scotty - 4
Poetl - 9
New pick - 9
Gradey - 13
Agbaji - 14
Walter - 19
Mogbo - 31
Shead - 45

So the average draft selection slot of the raptors is 14.9

Okc:

Chet - 1
Wallace - 10
Sga - 11
Jdub - 12
Jaylin williams - 34
Hartenstien - 43
Joe - 49
Wiggins - 55
Dort - 61 (undrafted)
Caruso - 61 (undrafted)

So the average draft selection slot of the Thunder is 33.7

So average pick selection of thunder rotation is not even a first rounder. Clearly, okc is not the product of tanking.

They're a product of tanking for a few years and making great trades that got them with a surplus of draft picks for multiple kicks at the can. With Masai's great track record, many people wanted him to do the same by not trading picks away + not letting assets walk or go for less than originally expected.

It's very obvious why the team has been in its current position. There's no need to do a deep dive on mediocrity, results speak for themselves.

Their tank years got them what? Chet and Caruso. What else? Every team in the league is capable of trading for a great role player like Alex Caruso. You don't need to tank in order to do that.

What part of their current rotation is a function of tanking aside from chet?

It couldn't be more clear.....they are a function of player development.

The okc hype ppl are in love with late first round picks. Until they are selected and in the league for 2 years. Then they are more cynical about them than anyone else.

Remember what the tankers thought about Agbaji when we acquired him? The tankers love those late first rounders as an abstraction. But they HATE third year guys who were picked in the teens or 20s who haven't magically turned into Michael Jordan.

[PoeltlTheToeltl]

Both the Pacers and the New York Knicks are on the verge of reaching the conference finals with one top 5 pick on each team.

KAT for the Knicks, who is definitely not a generational talent, and Jahil Okafor on the Pacers.

Roster construction is important, and guess who picked major contributors OG (23) and Pascal (27) on those teams?

I’ve been on this site almost 20 years, and the whinging never ends.