[Shams] Sources: Giannis Antetokounmpo to explore best fits outside of Milwaukee

[___Rand___]

Pascal is a 31 year old player who will make 45, 48 and 52 million the next three years. He's a good player, but not someone the Bucks need going forward if they move on from Giannis.

How much value will another team give for him? They'd have to match salary plus give up assets.

Late Indiana picks and young players like Nembhard, Sheppard or Mathurin are okay, but not enough for the Bucks to trade Giannis IMO. Think about where they'd be after a trade like that? Late picks, plus those players mentioned above and they don't have control of their own picks until after 2030. That would be awful.

I didn't suggest you build around Pascal. But Giannis wants out, so you get what you can for him. Where this situation is, with the lack of picks and assets, you're looking at a rebuild for Bucks, like it or not. Dame is out for at least a year, and he will be old once back. You don't have picks, you don't have young players, you are in cap hell. Where can Bucks go, but rebuild.

You can trade Pascal to another team for other pieces. But Nembhard is a good piece to build with - he's a productive 6'5" point guard who can defend. He's capable as seen when Hali was out. I'd love to have Nembhard on my team. You start with a solid PG and rebuild the team from there.

OKC may trade Chet for Giannis. Is that the better option than the Pacers' package? who knows. Rockets may offer Jabari Smith and Green. Again, there's not going to be a superstar in there, and these players won't make Bucks a contender. But it's the start for a rebuild. Because once Giannis leaves, it IS a rebuild.

I agree that it'll most likely be a rebuild if they trade Giannis which is why they need to either get their picks back from New Orleans, get decent future picks from another team and/or get young players worth building around.

Nembhard is a decent player, but not great if he's your best player going forward. Neither are late first round picks from Indiana.

Giannis is one of the top players in the NBA. I bet the Bucks could do better than that deal.

As for OKC or Houston...they can offer substantial stuff. Will they? I have no idea.

I would argue that if Nembhard is on Bucks, he is their best young player. Bucks have no future on this roster. It's a starting point, and a very good one. Look around the league. 6'5" point guards are the prototype, but few have them. Indy has 2 of them.

[1993Playoffs]

He’s gone

[kenwood3333]

to Miami for Bam and 2 mid FRPs

[tmorgan]

Mobley and Garland for Giannis and Kuzma?

This seems plausible, though given the Cavs cap situation, I think they’d rather not take Kuzma. Take easier salary and include a pick.

[MrBigShot]

Come to Detroit to play with Cade Giannis

[Dan Z]

I didn't suggest you build around Pascal. But Giannis wants out, so you get what you can for him. Where this situation is, with the lack of picks and assets, you're looking at a rebuild for Bucks, like it or not. Dame is out for at least a year, and he will be old once back. You don't have picks, you don't have young players, you are in cap hell. Where can Bucks go, but rebuild.

You can trade Pascal to another team for other pieces. But Nembhard is a good piece to build with - he's a productive 6'5" point guard who can defend. He's capable as seen when Hali was out. I'd love to have Nembhard on my team. You start with a solid PG and rebuild the team from there.

OKC may trade Chet for Giannis. Is that the better option than the Pacers' package? who knows. Rockets may offer Jabari Smith and Green. Again, there's not going to be a superstar in there, and these players won't make Bucks a contender. But it's the start for a rebuild. Because once Giannis leaves, it IS a rebuild.

I agree that it'll most likely be a rebuild if they trade Giannis which is why they need to either get their picks back from New Orleans, get decent future picks from another team and/or get young players worth building around.

Nembhard is a decent player, but not great if he's your best player going forward. Neither are late first round picks from Indiana.

Giannis is one of the top players in the NBA. I bet the Bucks could do better than that deal.

As for OKC or Houston...they can offer substantial stuff. Will they? I have no idea.

I would argue that if Nembhard is on Bucks, he is their best young player. Bucks have no future on this roster. It's a starting point, and a very good one. Look around the league. 6'5" point guards are the prototype, but few have them. Indy has 2 of them.

It's a terrible starting point. An okay 25 year old player and a bunch of late picks. If that's the best you can get then you might as well tell Giannis that you'll re-visit a trade in the near future.

[Sixers in 4]

ESPN submits clickbait all the time and that’s your shining example of reputable news? Maybe reexamine the slop you so eagerly hawk down. If you read the Shams article it doesn’t assert anything other than “teams will want to make a deal to get Giannis” and the irony is you laughing here when what you’re defending is a joke

Stage one: Denial

Soon: Anger

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[___Rand___]

I agree that it'll most likely be a rebuild if they trade Giannis which is why they need to either get their picks back from New Orleans, get decent future picks from another team and/or get young players worth building around.

Nembhard is a decent player, but not great if he's your best player going forward. Neither are late first round picks from Indiana.

Giannis is one of the top players in the NBA. I bet the Bucks could do better than that deal.

As for OKC or Houston...they can offer substantial stuff. Will they? I have no idea.

I would argue that if Nembhard is on Bucks, he is their best young player. Bucks have no future on this roster. It's a starting point, and a very good one. Look around the league. 6'5" point guards are the prototype, but few have them. Indy has 2 of them.

It's a terrible starting point. An okay 25 year old player and a bunch of late picks. If that's the best you can get then you might as well tell Giannis that you'll re-visit a trade in the near future.

Not just Nembhard - look at the other parts I said. It's Pascal, Nembhard, Sheppard and picks.

[Dan Z]

I would argue that if Nembhard is on Bucks, he is their best young player. Bucks have no future on this roster. It's a starting point, and a very good one. Look around the league. 6'5" point guards are the prototype, but few have them. Indy has 2 of them.

It's a terrible starting point. An okay 25 year old player and a bunch of late picks. If that's the best you can get then you might as well tell Giannis that you'll re-visit a trade in the near future.

Not just Nembhard - look at the other parts I said. It's Pascal, Nembhard, Sheppard and picks.

Yes, and I said that Pascal is too old for their timeline so he'd have to be traded. That probably means to another team for more first round picks that aren't great.

Sheppard...should Milwaukee be excited to get him? Nembhard, Sheppard (Mathurin too?) and a bunch of late first round picks (from Indiana and whatever you get for Pascal). It's not very good for them.

I'm not even sure what kind of picks you can get for Pascal. He's a good player, but he's also 31 years old and has a big contract.

[Duke4life831]

Giannis to Dallas for Flagg and other assets.

Dallas ride with a AD/Giannis/Kyrie

[MagicMamba88]

hey Bucks just to let yall know.

if you want the #1 pick for next years nba draft trade with the Lakers

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[Marvin Martian]

With the Spurs now having Harper, they can easily do a Castle + Fox deal for Giannis which would clear most of the other deals out there

[bledredwine]

I want him to find a good supporting cast but I'm sick of the teaming up.

Teaming up with another top 5 players is ridiculous. Please do anything but that.

If he can find a spot where they have great support and a solid fanbase, that'd be perfect.
Then, the league is more interesting.

Besides, him and Jokic both facilitate, as do many stars in this type of open game.

Bulls have a solid fan base....

Unfortunately, they have a bad front office and ownership.

Yeah. I've learned not to ever even consider a 1% possibilities in cases like this.
I've been let down way too many times.

What a coincidence that every star in the last two decades has "considered' Chicago as a destination and no one chose it.

[ProcessDoctor]

It feels like, in addition to Flagg becoming a Maverick tonight, Giannis also became a Spur.

[ChuckChilly]

Imagine AD and Giannis on the court at the same time. They could hold hands and cover the whole interior inside the three point line.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Giannis to Dallas for Flagg and other assets.

Dallas ride with a AD/Giannis/Kyrie

“Asked to explain the rationale behind the Mavs new starting lineup of PJ Washington, Giannis, AD, Daniel Gifford and Derek Lively, GM Nico Harrison confidently remarked,’Defense win championships. Not ‘spacing,’ whatever that is’.”

[Dan Z]

With the Spurs now having Harper, they can easily do a Castle + Fox deal for Giannis which would clear most of the other deals out there

Won't the Bucks ask for Harper?

[mg]

With the Spurs now having Harper, they can easily do a Castle + Fox deal for Giannis which would clear most of the other deals out there

Won't the Bucks ask for Harper?

Yes. They would be starting a rebuild without Giannis and would have no need for Fox.

[GiannisAnte34]

Does Shams lose credibility for throwing BS at the wall and hoping it sticks?

[JustBuzzin]

Does Shams lose credibility for throwing BS at the wall and hoping it sticks?

No ESPN is why he reported it. It benefits them when they talk about stars going to big markets. They can care less if Giannis wants out.

Shams lost his power the moment he signed with ESPN. Everytime I see him on ESPN he looks depressed like he regrets signing with them. Woj retired for a reason.