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If your goal is to win a championship, isn't Giannis plus ones like Franz or Paolo good enough to get us there? I am not trying to be an opportunist. Player the caliber of Giannis doesn't come year by year, period
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JF5 wrote:MasterGMer wrote:JF5 wrote:I'd trade Paolo for him... both him and Paolo are PFs...
But hindsight/realistically a trade from Giannis makes no sense for this squad.
Why not? You don't think Giannis, in your case, Franz won't make us a contender? Along with all our young assets. This is a very good roster
This isn't pre 2020/2019 where you say "eff all fit I've got 2-3 Stars on my team". You have to have a fit of star players and role players that make sense and fit together.
Both Paolo and Giannis are big Forwards who are unable to play perimeter effectively or for an extensive amount of time.
On top of that both players can't shoot. You'd have to COMPLETELY restructure the team around those guys. It would likely take 2-3 years to do that. At least with Franz and Paolo it'll take only 1 or 2 offseasons tops to get this right with the current makeup of the roster.
What about Franz and Giannis?
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I don't know that I would do this, but I'm a little surprised at the level of opposition here. The Celtics weren't even guarding Franz at the 3-point line in the playoffs and his shot is getting worse, not better. And if the reasoning is that Giannis doesn't fit next to Paolo, does Franz really? Or do they both just take turns playing one-on-one iso-ball?
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MasterGMer wrote:JF5 wrote:MasterGMer wrote:
Why not? You don't think Giannis, in your case, Franz won't make us a contender? Along with all our young assets. This is a very good roster
This isn't pre 2020/2019 where you say "eff all fit I've got 2-3 Stars on my team". You have to have a fit of star players and role players that make sense and fit together.
Both Paolo and Giannis are big Forwards who are unable to play perimeter effectively or for an extensive amount of time.
On top of that both players can't shoot. You'd have to COMPLETELY restructure the team around those guys. It would likely take 2-3 years to do that. At least with Franz and Paolo it'll take only 1 or 2 offseasons tops to get this right with the current makeup of the roster.
What about Franz and Giannis?
That makes more sense as a duo... They could add an Anfernee Simons or Coby White without losing much (probably getting better) defensively.
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JF5 wrote:MasterGMer wrote:JF5 wrote:
This isn't pre 2020/2019 where you say "eff all fit I've got 2-3 Stars on my team". You have to have a fit of star players and role players that make sense and fit together.
Both Paolo and Giannis are big Forwards who are unable to play perimeter effectively or for an extensive amount of time.
On top of that both players can't shoot. You'd have to COMPLETELY restructure the team around those guys. It would likely take 2-3 years to do that. At least with Franz and Paolo it'll take only 1 or 2 offseasons tops to get this right with the current makeup of the roster.
What about Franz and Giannis?
That makes more sense as a duo... They could add an Anfernee Simons or Coby White without losing much (probably getting better) defensively.
I am just playing this game as a fan. You know? Fan opinion is just fan opinion. It is our Front Offices and GM's job to make the move. I am just having fun with it. No substance
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CLosP wrote:Without hesitation lol put him at Center & I’ll even throw them WCJ. With that being said, Milwaukee will definitely get better offers.
If your offer starts with Franz…you’re definitely in the mix. Hard to name a better young player to build with.
It’ll come down, largely, to where Giannis wants to go.
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Skybox wrote:CLosP wrote:Without hesitation lol put him at Center & I’ll even throw them WCJ. With that being said, Milwaukee will definitely get better offers.
If your offer starts with Franz…you’re definitely in the mix. Hard to name a better young player to build with.
It’ll come down, largely, to where Giannis wants to go.
If OKC throws them Chet + whatever filler which is better than our filler + treasure chest of picks they’ll win. Also Houston can probably offer them a better package as well unless he really wants to come to Orlando for whatever reason.
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CLosP wrote:Skybox wrote:CLosP wrote:Without hesitation lol put him at Center & I’ll even throw them WCJ. With that being said, Milwaukee will definitely get better offers.
If your offer starts with Franz…you’re definitely in the mix. Hard to name a better young player to build with.
It’ll come down, largely, to where Giannis wants to go.
If OKC throws them Chet + whatever filler which is better than our filler + treasure chest of picks they’ll win. Also Houston can probably offer them a better package as well unless he really wants to come to Orlando for whatever reason.
Franz is better than any single player on HOU…I think a decent argument can be made that Franz is better than Chet….if you’re starting with a guy like Franz or Chet, you shouldn’t be talking about 4 frps on top….OKCs advantage would be that they have OTHER teams’ picks since whoever gets Giannis is likely to have garbage picks for the next few years.
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Give them Paolo and some filler instead. We get a better offensive player and fix a weak link defensively. We are easily best defensive team in the league with Giannis instead of Paolo, and we get a monster offensive player.
Still need those damn guards though.
Still need those damn guards though.
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Must be nice living in fantasy land..... Let's get ant edwards too
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You can offer Franz and Paolo for Giannis and I think you’d be about $130,000 short.
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Fortune Teller wrote:I don't know that I would do this, but I'm a little surprised at the level of opposition here. The Celtics weren't even guarding Franz at the 3-point line in the playoffs and his shot is getting worse, not better. And if the reasoning is that Giannis doesn't fit next to Paolo, does Franz really? Or do they both just take turns playing one-on-one iso-ball?
There’s a few posts here not worth rebutting. There’s not even a middle ground to be found when someone posts that Paolo can’t shoot at all or play on the perimeter for any extended period of time. Thank you for a reasonable and logical post that does make sense.
I’d gun for all 3 of Franz, Paolo and Giannis though. Franz is not done getting better by a mile. All 3 together present a generational problem of 6’10+ guys with unique ways of being unguardable.
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I agree I would love to have a big 3 of Paolo, Giannis and Franz but with the new cba it’s going to be really hard to build around the 3 of them and stay out of the 2nd apron. Also I love Suggs but if we really want to entice the bucks to take our package over others then Franz is our best bet or Giannis demands a trade to Orlando which is probably a pipe dream.
Also it looks like Tatum just blew out his Achilles and will be out all of next year. Which now opens up the east even more to be winnable. We have a star in Paolo and great assets. Now is the time to go for it!!!
Also it looks like Tatum just blew out his Achilles and will be out all of next year. Which now opens up the east even more to be winnable. We have a star in Paolo and great assets. Now is the time to go for it!!!
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Giannis himself steers his trade destination.
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dsg2021 wrote:Fortune Teller wrote:I don't know that I would do this, but I'm a little surprised at the level of opposition here. The Celtics weren't even guarding Franz at the 3-point line in the playoffs and his shot is getting worse, not better. And if the reasoning is that Giannis doesn't fit next to Paolo, does Franz really? Or do they both just take turns playing one-on-one iso-ball?
There’s a few posts here not worth rebutting. There’s not even a middle ground to be found when someone posts that Paolo can’t shoot at all or play on the perimeter for any extended period of time. Thank you for a reasonable and logical post that does make sense.
I’d gun for all 3 of Franz, Paolo and Giannis though. Franz is not done getting better by a mile. All 3 together present a generational problem of 6’10+ guys with unique ways of being unguardable.
Paolo can't really guard perimeter players. Have you seen him get blown by players so easily? Offensively obviously he's fine anywhere so that's why he's at PF to guard slower/weaker offensive players unless he gets a switch.
Also, playing 3 Stars that all play very similar to each other doesn't make any sense. Especially in today's NBA where spacing I'd everything.
Having a front court that Shoots -
Giannis: 22% from 3 on 0.9 attempts a game
Paolo: 32% from 3 on 5.9 attempts a game
Franz: 29% from 3 on 5.9 attempts a game
Does not breed a successful offense. You surround your guys with shooters if you have elite slashers/penetrators. Not more slashers that clog the lane.
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No
Giannis & Paolo duo wins nothing. Giannis maybe plays Center on defense but he still isn't on offense and just need the same spots as Paolo.
Fit is horrible and you have much less money to try to get fitting players around them.
You again have a big 3 that can't shoot.
You again have just 1 two way player out of the duo.
In theory Franz with a solid 3point shot with Giannis makes much more sense. They probably even play much better together because Franz is the much better passer for Bigs than Paolo. Just look at his passes to Moe or his alleys and lob passes. He just doesn't have a athletic big to target here.
And you have 2 two way players in that case.
But if Franz doesn't improve from 3 you won't win much too.
In the end you have the same problem I have with this core. Too much overlapping weaknesses on offense in either case, as long as all 3 are not shooters and the best guard isn't even a good passer or ballhandler.
Giannis & Paolo duo wins nothing. Giannis maybe plays Center on defense but he still isn't on offense and just need the same spots as Paolo.
Fit is horrible and you have much less money to try to get fitting players around them.
You again have a big 3 that can't shoot.
You again have just 1 two way player out of the duo.
In theory Franz with a solid 3point shot with Giannis makes much more sense. They probably even play much better together because Franz is the much better passer for Bigs than Paolo. Just look at his passes to Moe or his alleys and lob passes. He just doesn't have a athletic big to target here.
And you have 2 two way players in that case.
But if Franz doesn't improve from 3 you won't win much too.
In the end you have the same problem I have with this core. Too much overlapping weaknesses on offense in either case, as long as all 3 are not shooters and the best guard isn't even a good passer or ballhandler.
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JF5 wrote:dsg2021 wrote:Fortune Teller wrote:I don't know that I would do this, but I'm a little surprised at the level of opposition here. The Celtics weren't even guarding Franz at the 3-point line in the playoffs and his shot is getting worse, not better. And if the reasoning is that Giannis doesn't fit next to Paolo, does Franz really? Or do they both just take turns playing one-on-one iso-ball?
There’s a few posts here not worth rebutting. There’s not even a middle ground to be found when someone posts that Paolo can’t shoot at all or play on the perimeter for any extended period of time. Thank you for a reasonable and logical post that does make sense.
I’d gun for all 3 of Franz, Paolo and Giannis though. Franz is not done getting better by a mile. All 3 together present a generational problem of 6’10+ guys with unique ways of being unguardable.
Paolo can't really guard perimeter players. Have you seen him get blown by players so easily? Offensively obviously he's fine anywhere so that's why he's at PF to guard slower/weaker offensive players unless he gets a switch.
Also, playing 3 Stars that all play very similar to each other doesn't make any sense. Especially in today's NBA where spacing I'd everything.
Having a front court that Shoots -
Giannis: 22% from 3 on 0.9 attempts a game
Paolo: 32% from 3 on 5.9 attempts a game
Franz: 29% from 3 on 5.9 attempts a game
Does not breed a successful offense. You surround your guys with shooters if you have elite slashers/penetrators. Not more slashers that clog the lane.
Ah okay, I thought you were talking about Paolo's offense only and not defense at all with the whole "can't play on perimeter". That makes some kind of sense now. But taking the regular season 3P% with zero factoring of his Playoffs 3P% is a complete travesty.
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The only way we can acquire Giannis at this rate, is we take on Dame Lillard's contract as well.
San Antonio Spurs, Houston Rockets and OKC Thunder have the best trade assets without taking on Lillard's contract.
San Antonio Spurs, Houston Rockets and OKC Thunder have the best trade assets without taking on Lillard's contract.
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He’s going to end up in San Antonio and it’s been obvious for a while. Them landing 2 was the cherry on top.
It’ll be Castle or Vassell + 2, 16 and multiple 1sts plus filler.
It’ll be Castle or Vassell + 2, 16 and multiple 1sts plus filler.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. 

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Not a good fit with Paolo. Not a good fit for this roster of bricklayers in general. His contract will make it tough to fit a roster around him and Paolo The trade will also require more than Franz. So no