Draft lottery night thread

[driveandkick]

What on Earth was the Salaun pick man. I mean jfc what on Gods green earth were they doing there

[JustBuzzin]

What on Earth was the Salaun pick man. I mean jfc what on Gods green earth were they doing there

New GM.

And people trust these people to build a contender. They better hit on this pick or it could get ugly.

[Hornet Mania]

I like Edgecombe so I'm glad they're at least picking 4th.

[Diop]

Dallas fans are worried their crazy GM will be trade the 1st pick.

that would be hilarious. Flagg for Giannis

[HornetJail]

What on Earth was the Salaun pick man. I mean jfc what on Gods green earth were they doing there

Peterson hand picked SEVENTEEN players to sign, trade for, or draft over the last twelve months, and every last one sucked ass cheeks except for Moussa Diabate, who at his best is a decent 12-15mpg rotation guy, and the few games we got out of Josh Okogie were neat. Then factor in the failed Mark trade which in itself was terrible.

it makes me very nervous that Peterson actually has to make a decision, i want to trade this pick badly for an established player. He can't be trusted to evaluate anything that isn't already a sure thing. I just want a known commodity, idc if we take an L on trade value and overpay a bit for someone like Sabonis, Zion, etc

[Braggins]

Read on Twitter

[bravor]

I cant believe the nba gave another top picks to the texan teams. They might fix stuff in the future, but the harm has been done.
Never been in the rigged stuff but it's beyond hilarious at this point.

[Braggins]

I don't think its rigged, but I do hope this gets a conversation started about unflattening the lottery odds (get rid of it completely imo). Ive been adamant since they flattened them to the current level that this setup was ridiculous and doesn't promote competitive balance.

[fatlever]

I don't think its rigged, but I do hope this gets a conversation started about unflattening the lottery odds (get rid of it completely imo). Ive been adamant since they flattened them to the current level that this setup was ridiculous and doesn't promote competitive balance.

My plan wouldn't really have changed the situation for Dallas but it would have prevented the Spurs from being allowed to pick in the top 3 and it would have reduced the overall odds for the Sixers based on a rolling 3 year win percentage

Fat Solves the NBA Draft Lottery

1) If you land the #1 pick you are ineligible to receive the #1 pick again for 3 years immediately following your #1 pick. You are also ineligible to pick in the top 3 for 3 years immediately following your #1 pick.
a) For the 3 years immediately following the year a team landed the #1 pick, that team will have no ping pong balls in the lottery machine. They will pick according to record once the top 3 teams are decided.
b) If two or more teams that have won the lottery in the past 3 years are in this situation the 4th spot goes to the team further removed from winning the lottery, and so on

2) Teams that picked in the top 3 the previous year would be ineligible to land in the top 3 the following year. They will pick based on record after the top 3 lottery teams are decided.

3) The # of lotto balls for each team would be decided based on each team's average record for 3 years immediately preceding the lottery. This is to discourage a former playoff team from tanking hard one year while a star player is injured (such as the spurs when David Robinson was hurt) or to prevent a team that has been competitive for a long time from tanking for one year, getting lucky and bouncing right back into the playoffs.

4) There should be some additional incentive to make the playoffs and high 2nd round picks are valuable. picks 31 - 46, 2nd round picks, are assigned based on reverse playoff seeding, following by the remaining lottery teams (worst to best)

31st and 32nd picks go to 8th seeds
33rd and 34th picks go to 7th seeds
35th and 36th go to the 6th seeds
and so on
...
47th to the worst lottery team
...
60th to the best lottery team

[Braggins]

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[Diop]

I cant believe the nba gave another top picks to the texan teams. They might fix stuff in the future, but the harm has been done.
Never been in the rigged stuff but it's beyond hilarious at this point.

Tankathon has us taking my former crush Penda in the 2nd round, i'd still be happy with that. Even if he does have the Batum/Diaw lack of aggression, he is still worth a try

[fatlever]

The flattening of the odds situation has kind of backfired. Obviously it hasn't stopped any one from tanking but it has caused teams to purposely try to lose play in games to get a chance at the lottery. And it has incentivized teams that are in that 6 to 10 range to tank when they may have otherwise tried to remain somewhat competitive. Instead of having two to three teams that are mailing it in the 2nd half of the year you end up with 7 or 8 teams not trying to win.

What was once the best avenue for small market low priority teams to get better now just feels like a neverending anchor.

Of course none of this excuses the Hornets for being absolutely abysmal over the past 20 years at drafting. The cumulative effect of this team being so bad at drafting and bad at developing talent has just stripped this franchise of much needed assets for so long that until just this year we didn't even have assets to trade even if we wanted to get better Through trade.

[Diop]

What on Earth was the Salaun pick man. I mean jfc what on Gods green earth were they doing there

New GM.

And people trust these people to build a contender. They better hit on this pick or it could get ugly.

name a team that hasn't totally wiffed on a pick.

it happens.

[Braggins]

Flagg and Harper both going to the West is an underrated annoying aspect of all this.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I don't think its rigged, but I do hope this gets a conversation started about unflattening the lottery odds (get rid of it completely imo). Ive been adamant since they flattened them to the current level that this setup was ridiculous and doesn't promote competitive balance.

My plan wouldn't really have changed the situation for Dallas but it would have prevented the Spurs from being allowed to pick in the top 3 and it would have reduced the overall odds for the Sixers based on a rolling 3 year win percentage

Fat Solves the NBA Draft Lottery

1) If you land the #1 pick you are ineligible to receive the #1 pick again for 3 years immediately following your #1 pick. You are also ineligible to pick in the top 3 for 3 years immediately following your #1 pick.
a) For the 3 years immediately following the year a team landed the #1 pick, that team will have no ping pong balls in the lottery machine. They will pick according to record once the top 3 teams are decided.
b) If two or more teams that have won the lottery in the past 3 years are in this situation the 4th spot goes to the team further removed from winning the lottery, and so on

2) Teams that picked in the top 3 the previous year would be ineligible to land in the top 3 the following year. They will pick based on record after the top 3 lottery teams are decided.

3) The # of lotto balls for each team would be decided based on each team's average record for 3 years immediately preceding the lottery. This is to discourage a former playoff team from tanking hard one year while a star player is injured (such as the spurs when David Robinson was hurt) or to prevent a team that has been competitive for a long time from tanking for one year, getting lucky and bouncing right back into the playoffs.

4) There should be some additional incentive to make the playoffs and high 2nd round picks are valuable. picks 31 - 46, 2nd round picks, are assigned based on reverse playoff seeding, following by the remaining lottery teams (worst to best)

31st and 32nd picks go to 8th seeds
33rd and 34th picks go to 7th seeds
35th and 36th go to the 6th seeds
and so on
...
47th to the worst lottery team
...
60th to the best lottery team

Definitely at least some elements of this should be strongly considered.

[KingCat]

Flagg and Harper both going to the West is an underrated annoying aspect of all this.

Hey that's good for us if we finally build a competitive team within the next few years.

[yosemiteben]

Flagg and Harper both going to the West is an underrated annoying aspect of all this.

I actually saw that as a plus. At least they didn't go to a good East team. Would have really sucked if they were going to ATL and MIA.

[Walt Cronkite]

Goodbye to all of the posters leaving. I hope the threat turns out this time.

If you noticed, we’ve lost a lot of quality posters over the years, and for very valid reasons…I don’t get cheering on the further destruction of this board and fanbase

I also left for years. You can just stop following, you don’t have to make a reactionary announcement that then makes everything else you write less credible bc you’re the poster that quit the team but kept coming back for abuse.

Posters better than the ones that announce they are leaving have left. They just stopped posting. It’s totally reasonable to do. Threatening to leave multiple times and never doing it is something different.

[bravor]

I cant believe the nba gave another top picks to the texan teams. They might fix stuff in the future, but the harm has been done.
Never been in the rigged stuff but it's beyond hilarious at this point.

Tankathon has us taking my former crush Penda in the 2nd round, i'd still be happy with that. Even if he does have the Batum/Diaw lack of aggression, he is still worth a try

He had a pretty good game against Asvel yesterday (we won) which is still a Euroleague team (even though they got eliminated from PO). I highly doubt scouts dont like what they saw from him, esp. when he managed to score all his Ft's (which has been a concerning problem as i have said previously).
He's ready to contribute from day 1, even though his ceiling remains a facilitator. But he could reach a pretty high level.

To me, Indiana would be close to the perfect fit for him. Grizzlies as well.

On a side note, his little brother is also showing promises.

As for the Hornets, i hope they consider Diawara (who will probably be undrafted at this point, unless he does a "pape Sy" who was selected by the hawks as a late 2nd in the past) as point forward/3D.

Both early 2nd are crucial though, either for flexibility and/or for future asset (draft & stash ?). Hard to guess how the draft will turn anyway.
What is clear it's not with #4 and #6 picks that you gonna turn this franchise into a winning machine. And unfortunately since ppl are tired of tanking (i am not gonna blame them after results like this), i doubt this is boding well for this Lamelo team.

[KingCat]

My final thoughts on the lottery fiasco.

Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, Memphis Grizzlies, Miami Heat, Oklahoma City Thunder, and Utah Jazz are all teams who have never won the lottery. All but one are considered small market teams like us. Not all have won titles, but they have all found a significant amount more success than us. Goes to show bad lotto luck or blatant NBA rigging is not a viable execuse to our horrible product.

Most of these teams found succsss through some luck, smart drafting, and preying on teams for making dumb moves. That last part is something this franchise has never really done. Only recent example is Mitch fleecing OKC for a pretty much retired Hayward and getting draft capital for Roizer who is now the worst player in the league.

The front office has an opportunity to wheel and deal with their stash of picks and collection of players that are likely fools gold (looking at Miles)