Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[AussieBuck]

How the **** do people here still take the bait on Giannis clickbait?

[ReasonablySober]

It was really dumb and transparent and most of all unnecessary. Like Bill said, no sh*t Giannis is open to exploring other fits. Everyone would be.

[th87]

I think part of the pandemonium around a potential giannis deal is the unknown and hope that maybe they’d get enough to reload.

As is, the thought of running this team back sans Dame/Brook is so uninspiring and depressing. There’s not really a win available this offseason.

We have no idea though.

Remember Jared Dudley was the glue that solidified that 2015 team that had no business doing anything. John Salmons made us a legit threat until Amar'e pushed Bogut.

When Giannis is your base, anything is possible.

[tedbrogen]

I think part of the pandemonium around a potential giannis deal is the unknown and hope that maybe they’d get enough to reload.

As is, the thought of running this team back sans Dame/Brook is so uninspiring and depressing. There’s not really a win available this offseason.

We have no idea though.

Remember Jared Dudley was the glue that solidified that 2015 team that had no business doing anything. John Salmons made us a legit threat until Amar'e pushed Bogut.

When Giannis is your base, anything is possible.

You just named two situations where they lost in the first round. So is finding the next Dudley or Salmons going to allow them to push the Pacers to seven in the first round next season? Is that the goal here?

[th87]

I think part of the pandemonium around a potential giannis deal is the unknown and hope that maybe they’d get enough to reload.

As is, the thought of running this team back sans Dame/Brook is so uninspiring and depressing. There’s not really a win available this offseason.

We have no idea though.

Remember Jared Dudley was the glue that solidified that 2015 team that had no business doing anything. John Salmons made us a legit threat until Amar'e pushed Bogut.

When Giannis is your base, anything is possible.

You just named two situations where they lost in the first round. So is finding the next Dudley or Salmons going to allow them to push the Pacers to seven in the first round next season? Is that the goal here?

And did those two situations have a fully realized Giannis?

That's literally the whole point.

[th87]

There will probably never be another Buck I'll enjoy watching play as much as i enjoy watching Giannis, he's my generation's Kareem.

But just like Kareem when the window closes (and it has), you have to trade them for the best package you can and turn the page. It's the best move for the franchise and the best for the player. Giannis could legit win a couple more championships elsewhere and that isn't going to happen in Milwaukee. I know the Bucks didn't win another championship after they traded Kareem but they had some very good teams, the Bucks if they get the Giannis trade right could rebuild and be competitive again in a few years.

It hurts, but management really needs to think longterm here. If they don't and Giannis signs elsewhere in 2 years (or demands a trade his final year) the return will be crap and with no picks it'll be a long dark road back. The kind of road some franchises don't survive.

Kareem demanded a trade. They never would've traded him otherwise.

Yes but Giannis is on the verge of doing the same. He's ultra competitive, he wants to be in a situation to win more championships. He's going to ask for a trade or leave in free agency if the Bucks can't compete. Does anyone think the Bucks can still be a contender given what we now know about this aging roster, maxed salary cap, zero trade assets and Lillards blown leg?

I don't see a scenario where he doesn't ask out or leave in free agency.

1. None of us have any idea what Giannis values, including whether he'd leave this mess (partly of his own making) for greener pastures.

2. The Bucks are a top 4 East team at this moment with a non-moron at coach. Some of our competitors face difficult cap decisions. There is no reason internal development and some savvy signings (of people who want to play with Giannis at a discount, perhaps) couldn't lead to a better result.

All this doomerism is over firsts we don't have in 2025 and 2027, and swaps that probably shouldn't happen since the swappers will suck worse.

It's not as bad as it is being feared.

Unless we don't fire Doc (and hire someone better*). Then we're screwed.

*I was on the fire Bud train, but assumed they wouldn't botch the replacement process.

[RiotPunch]

Kareem demanded a trade. They never would've traded him otherwise.

Yes but Giannis is on the verge of doing the same. He's ultra competitive, he wants to be in a situation to win more championships. He's going to ask for a trade or leave in free agency if the Bucks can't compete. Does anyone think the Bucks can still be a contender given what we now know about this aging roster, maxed salary cap, zero trade assets and Lillards blown leg?

I don't see a scenario where he doesn't ask out or leave in free agency.

1. None of us have any idea what Giannis values, including whether he'd leave this mess (partly of his own making) for greener pastures.

2. The Bucks are a top 4 East team at this moment with a non-moron at coach. Some of our competitors face difficult cap decisions. There is no reason internal development and some savvy signings (of people who want to play with Giannis at a discount, perhaps) couldn't lead to a better result.

All this doomerism is over firsts we don't have in 2025 and 2027, and swaps that probably shouldn't happen since the swappers will suck worse.

It's not as bad as it is being feared.

Unless we don't fire Doc (and hire someone better*). Then we're screwed.

*I was on the fire Bud train, but assumed they wouldn't botch the replacement process.

It all boils down to Doc, and I am not feeling great about him being relieved of his duties. It is **** insane how badly we have botched every decision since firing Bud.

[th87]

Yes but Giannis is on the verge of doing the same. He's ultra competitive, he wants to be in a situation to win more championships. He's going to ask for a trade or leave in free agency if the Bucks can't compete. Does anyone think the Bucks can still be a contender given what we now know about this aging roster, maxed salary cap, zero trade assets and Lillards blown leg?

I don't see a scenario where he doesn't ask out or leave in free agency.

1. None of us have any idea what Giannis values, including whether he'd leave this mess (partly of his own making) for greener pastures.

2. The Bucks are a top 4 East team at this moment with a non-moron at coach. Some of our competitors face difficult cap decisions. There is no reason internal development and some savvy signings (of people who want to play with Giannis at a discount, perhaps) couldn't lead to a better result.

All this doomerism is over firsts we don't have in 2025 and 2027, and swaps that probably shouldn't happen since the swappers will suck worse.

It's not as bad as it is being feared.

Unless we don't fire Doc (and hire someone better*). Then we're screwed.

*I was on the fire Bud train, but assumed they wouldn't botch the replacement process.

It all boils down to Doc, and I am not feeling great about him being relieved of his duties. It is **** insane how badly we have botched every decision since firing Bud.

Yeah, then we are an unserious franchise, and these same people shouldn't be at the controls of a rebuild either.

Will look for a new hobby also.

[Istanbullus]

Castle/Harper/Sochan and picks. Rebuild for 2 years. Giannis wins 2 titles with Wemby, returns, and we 3-peat with him. He retires on a 5-peat. This is the way.imo

You guys are geniuses. Now get in Giannis' ear.

Let's consider possibilities of Giannis' legacy:

1. He stays in Milwaukee and goes down with the ship and is remembered along with his championship and MVP years for his slowly decreased level of play as the Bucks record worsens over the years. He takes the beatings as he plays through injuries and 38 minutes a night.

2. He's traded at his peak: his reputation in this town is never tarnished. Like your high school lover leaving to go to a university in a new city. You'll always be fond of her because you removed any chance of the relationship worsening.

3. He returns after two years of letting the young guys develop. Now it's a four-year championship window. Like finding that high school lover again and rather than it being awkward, you realize that how you've grown in two years actually makes both of you more attractive to one another.

My fear is that if he goes to San Antonio, he'll realize how much better an organization (though not a city) can be and he'll never come back. In fact, he'll feel more like a Spur and Milwaukee is the sweet, innocent years.

[JayMKE]

Next level cope thinking Giannis would be back in 2 years. It’s depressing that some fans are only entertained by scratch off tickets, I think a larger chunk of the fandom will check out versus the chunk who have missed tanking for the last decade,

[soxperry]

Next level cope thinking Giannis would be back in 2 years. It’s depressing that some fans are only entertained by scratch off tickets, I think a larger chunk of the fandom will check out versus the chunk who have missed tanking for the last decade,

It's mostly a fun thought bruh

[jakecronus8]

Next level cope thinking Giannis would be back in 2 years. It’s depressing that some fans are only entertained by scratch off tickets, I think a larger chunk of the fandom will check out versus the chunk who have missed tanking for the last decade,

Tongue in cheek, brah.

[soxperry]

Gotta hand it to Simmons. His team just got eliminated for two seasons and Tatum may never be the same again and hes doing a 5 minute bit about how stupid the Giannis story was yesterday, laughing about the concept of being "actively open minded."

[fansinceforever]

Doc is going to be the coach and no we do not have a top 4 roster in the East. We're a 40-45 win team if we somehow manage to bring everyone back and we won't.

Good luck selling that to Giannis, his representation and to the fans. Strap in, we're gonna hear a lot of more of these stories.

[ABucksFan]

I'm still TEAM roll with Gianns to the end no matter what. I want him and Dame to get another crack. Yeah, we'll be bad after, but maybe we won't either, regardless we've all seen worse.

If we do move him though, I am starting to come around and liking the idea of trading him to SA. I think Harper could be a star. Him as a centerpiece with Castle, picks etc etc isn't tooo bad.

Still prefer Jalen + Chet and picks though.

[raferfenix]

Giannis could also survey the league, decide there isn't an ideal fitting team he could specifically force his way to, and wait a year for when he'll have much more control being on an ending contract (if he'd opt-out).

[Ron Swanson]

I appreciate the optimist point of view but sorry, if Doc's actually gonna be back (which I still can't believe is looking like a possibility), then there's absolutely no hope here. Dame torn Achilles, Kuzma with an all-time playoff stinker rendering him useless as a trade asset, Kevin Porter Jr. not being any sort of playoff difference maker. This was basically the nightmare scenario outside of Giannis shattering his leg or something.

That doesn't mean a Giannis trade is our only option, but we're not doing anything this season and unfortunately you're just gonna have to sell Giannis on the "gap year" idea. Next offseason we could realistically have a lottery pick, two future firsts, and a swap to trade. That plus a clean cap sheet isn't nothing. Tell Giannis to start recruiting for 2026.

[jakecronus8]

I appreciate the optimist point of view but sorry, if Doc's actually gonna be back (which I still can't believe is looking like a possibility), then there's absolutely no hope here. Dame torn Achilles, Kuzma with an all-time playoff stinker rendering him useless as a trade asset, Kevin Porter Jr. not being any sort of playoff difference maker. This was basically the nightmare scenario outside of Giannis shattering his leg or something.

That doesn't mean a Giannis trade is our only option, but we're not doing anything this season and unfortunately you're just gonna have to sell Giannis on the "gap year" idea. Next offseason we could realistically have a lottery pick, two future firsts, and a swap to trade. That plus a clean cap sheet isn't nothing. Tell Giannis to start recruiting for 2026.

Unfortunately the clean cap sheet is not a thing with Dame and Kuzma still on the books.

Hate to be such a pessimist but can't see Giannis as a great recruiter. Dude kinda does his own thing and is even shunned for not being a part of the NBA's friendly fraternity.

[jschligs]

I appreciate the optimist point of view but sorry, if Doc's actually gonna be back (which I still can't believe is looking like a possibility), then there's absolutely no hope here. Dame torn Achilles, Kuzma with an all-time playoff stinker rendering him useless as a trade asset, Kevin Porter Jr. not being any sort of playoff difference maker. This was basically the nightmare scenario outside of Giannis shattering his leg or something.

That doesn't mean a Giannis trade is our only option, but we're not doing anything this season and unfortunately you're just gonna have to sell Giannis on the "gap year" idea. Next offseason we could realistically have a lottery pick, two future firsts, and a swap to trade. That plus a clean cap sheet isn't nothing. Tell Giannis to start recruiting for 2026.

I'd be putting together a presentation of what 2026 will look like to Giannis. Kobe had some down years. Dirk had down years. Lots of stars that stuck with their team had a down year or two during their careers and they got back to the finals after that.

You say, "Giannis, next year we will make sure you stay healthy and let you go for the scoring title and see how far we can go. We'll have a first next year and WAY more cap space and the potential to move Dame/Kuz as expiring. Here's who will be a FA then...here's how we'll get back to winning. This is good for your longevity."

You would have $78m in expiring contracts to start 2026. And Dame being potentially worth something. Send him back to Portland to mentor the young guys and finish his career. Sign a bunch of 1 year deals in 2025. You would instantly have tools to make a contender because Giannis has 5 years of dominance.

[Ron Swanson]

I appreciate the optimist point of view but sorry, if Doc's actually gonna be back (which I still can't believe is looking like a possibility), then there's absolutely no hope here. Dame torn Achilles, Kuzma with an all-time playoff stinker rendering him useless as a trade asset, Kevin Porter Jr. not being any sort of playoff difference maker. This was basically the nightmare scenario outside of Giannis shattering his leg or something.

That doesn't mean a Giannis trade is our only option, but we're not doing anything this season and unfortunately you're just gonna have to sell Giannis on the "gap year" idea. Next offseason we could realistically have a lottery pick, two future firsts, and a swap to trade. That plus a clean cap sheet isn't nothing. Tell Giannis to start recruiting for 2026.

Unfortunately the clean cap sheet is not a thing with Dame and Kuzma still on the books.

Hate to be such a pessimist but can't see Giannis as a great recruiter. Dude kinda does his own thing and is even shunned for not being a part of the NBA's friendly fraternity.

They'll be easy to trade a year from now. If Luka hasn't signed his extension 3-months from now, tell Giannis that's the dream.