2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Get Anthony Davis

What’s your offer?

There is no realistic offer not including Bam. Mavs are going to see things through with Anthony Davis for the foreseeable future.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Are they actual lotto balls? Do they have our team logo printed on them if so? If so, the amount of ink on our balls would have been different than Dallas, resulting in different weights and imperfections on the thin membrane. It also would have made the 12th position be Dallas rather than Chicago, and the same changes to that ball would have an effect. Depending on whether Chicago or Atlanta got through, similar changes to balls 13 and 14 would occur. If this is your classic ball mechanism like an old school lottery, then all these differences in the balls would put out a different outcome. It is also possible they have balls for all 30 teams and pull them out alphabetically meaning the order of how they loaded them in is different.

This concludes my TED talk. We would not have won the lotto.

Don't worry Ersnt and Young who's hired by the NBA themselves are a bastion of credibility and would never listen to the people who are paying for there services. Absolutely never behind closed doors or with handpicked people they let in to make sure they tell the masses all is well.

I’m changing my stance, IT WAS RIGGED!!!! This feels much better than the truth, now I can throw it to the side and move on and support Patrick’s master plan for this summer

[greg4012]

Funny you bring up the Cavs they just won their first playoff series without Lebron since 1992

The bubble run was not a fluke, you just forget the roster that was assembled post deadline after we brought in Iggy and Crowder. That team was loaded, and would have won the title if Goran did not get injured. Came back 2 years later, had the best record in the East, and our best player hitting a wide open uncontested shot from his spot away from going back to the finals, only to return to it the following year.

You could make an argument Miami has been the most consistent franchise in sports over the last 30 years, and we have fans in here crying like we are the Orlando Magic, and disrespecting the people who built it. Get a grip

We are not going to be a top 4 team in the league every single year, that is just not how it works, but this organization has proven without a doubt that more often than not they are going to be competing to be one of those teams. Since 2005 we have participated in 9 of 20 conference finals just consider that for a moment.

Stop it, here are the facts of the last 10 years:

- Finished top 4 in the East, two times (1st 22, and 3rd 16)
- Average regular season wins 43
- Average Net Rating: +0.7
- Best Net Rating in 22, ranking them 6th overall

Not a single season can you consider them a top 4 team (I'm going by net rating which is far more reliable than W/L record).
They are the definition of a treadmill team, few other teams have been more mid than the Heat in this period.

Some fans are so blinded by fluke results (which didn't even lead to a title), when all the metrics and numbers are there to tell the real story.

Considering we started those 10 years off with losing the best player the league has seen outside Jordan and maybe Kobe for nothing in free agency, and then lost our best player to blood clots in the middle of his prime, also for nothing I would say this has been a remarkable 10 years which speaks to the overall strength of the organization. If you can't appreciate it you were likely never a Heat fan before the big 3 or appreciate the grind it takes for a team to even reach the 3rd round and how rare it is.

Talking here about net ratings and BS statistics like they somehow more important than post season success makes you look like a casual

In this disastrous 10 years for the Heat you speak of we are tied for 5th in league for playoff wins during that time, trailing only the Warriors, Celtics, Nuggets, and the Lebron led Cavs. All of which teams that were blessed with generational talents, and hall of fame players. You are delusional, and you will miss this era of Heat basketball that you are trashing when it is truly cooked.

Remember--all that matters is regular season and what The Ringer and the other media narrative generators think about your team in the middle of February.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Mavs are not trading that top pick. Cooper Flagg was hand picked to end up in Dallas to take over for Doncic and give that fanbase and a new great white hope. I don't think Giannis remotely even has any interest in Dallas after they just traded Doncic in the middle of the night.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Get Anthony Davis

What’s your offer?

There is no realistic offer not including Bam. Mavs are going to see things through with Anthony Davis for the foreseeable future.

White Drip can’t get it done?! Idk, if they go full youth movement we might be able to do something there without Bam and Herro but I’m thinking they’re going big game hunting.

[EMC5466]

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[greg4012]

Get Anthony Davis

What’s your offer?

There is no realistic offer not including Bam. Mavs are going to see things through with Anthony Davis for the foreseeable future.

Yea Nico Harrison is quite clearly an AD fanboy

[MettaWorldPanda]

What’s your offer?

There is no realistic offer not including Bam. Mavs are going to see things through with Anthony Davis for the foreseeable future.

White Drip can’t get it done?! Idk, if they go full youth movement we might be able to do something there without Bam and Herro but I’m thinking they’re going big game hunting.

Nope white drip is not getting you Anthony Davis and they already have a good young Center in Derek Lively so no need for Ware either. Just nothing there

[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

Funny you bring up the Cavs they just won their first playoff series without Lebron since 1992

The bubble run was not a fluke, you just forget the roster that was assembled post deadline after we brought in Iggy and Crowder. That team was loaded, and would have won the title if Goran did not get injured. Came back 2 years later, had the best record in the East, and our best player hitting a wide open uncontested shot from his spot away from going back to the finals, only to return to it the following year.

You could make an argument Miami has been the most consistent franchise in sports over the last 30 years, and we have fans in here crying like we are the Orlando Magic, and disrespecting the people who built it. Get a grip

We are not going to be a top 4 team in the league every single year, that is just not how it works, but this organization has proven without a doubt that more often than not they are going to be competing to be one of those teams. Since 2005 we have participated in 9 of 20 conference finals just consider that for a moment.

Stop it, here are the facts of the last 10 years:

- Finished top 4 in the East, two times (1st 22, and 3rd 16)
- Average regular season wins 43
- Average Net Rating: +0.7
- Best Net Rating in 22, ranking them 6th overall

Not a single season can you consider them a top 4 team (I'm going by net rating which is far more reliable than W/L record).
They are the definition of a treadmill team, few other teams have been more mid than the Heat in this period.

Some fans are so blinded by fluke results (which didn't even lead to a title), when all the metrics and numbers are there to tell the real story.

Considering we started those 10 years off with losing the best player the league has seen outside Jordan and maybe Kobe for nothing in free agency, and then lost our best player to blood clots in the middle of his prime, also for nothing I would say this has been a remarkable 10 years which speaks to the overall strength of the organization. If you can't appreciate it you were likely never a Heat fan before the big 3 or appreciate the grind it takes for a team to even reach the 3rd round and how rare it is.

Talking here about net ratings and BS statistics like they somehow more important than post season success makes you look like a casual

In this disastrous 10 years for the Heat you speak of we are tied for 5th in league for playoff wins during that time, trailing only the Warriors, Celtics, Nuggets, and the Lebron led Cavs. All of which teams that were blessed with generational talents, and hall of fame players. You are delusional, and you will miss this era of Heat basketball that you are trashing when it is truly cooked.

What a wild take calling net rating "casual" like it’s some fringe stat.
Net rating is literally one of the most predictive metrics we have for team quality, it strips out the noise from close wins, clutch luck, and inflated records. Every serious analyst, FO and coach pays attention to it.

Being a fan doesn’t mean ignoring facts. Nobody’s denying Miami’s had some unforgettable playoff runs. But over a decade long sample, this team has been a treadmill squad. A couple of fluky deep runs don’t erase the bigger picture, just because some are allergic to numbers.

And all these excuses about losing LeBron, Bosh’s health, or bad luck, they don’t honor the organization, they highlight their stubbornness. Those were clear signals to reset, and instead, they clung to patchwork rosters year after year. That short sightedness cost them a better shot at maximizing the Jimmy window

[wade44]

Mavs are not trading that top pick. Cooper Flagg was hand picked to end up in Dallas to take over for Doncic and give that fanbase and a new great white hope. I don't think Giannis remotely even has any interest in Dallas after they just traded Doncic in the middle of the night.

From one shiny toy to another… Mavs fans will begrudgingly return

[RexBoyWonder]

Bam for Harrison Barnes, 2nd and 12th pick.
Wiggins for Hachimura, Gabe Vincent.
Trying to think of some trade where we give Herro to Bucks (home town tank commander), Pelicans give Bucks back their lotto picks and we get our pick back from Hornets basically.

We would be
C - Ware
PF - Jovic
SF - Jaquez Jr
SG - Harper (2nd)
PG - Fears (12th)

With all our picks back, Dybantsa in the tank for 26 and maybe 170 mill in cap space in 2 years

That squad will def have a fast track to having top odds for the #1 pick, then ending up with a pick somewhere around 4-7.

Harper is a G. One of the best slashing prospects in years.

I don't hate it.

I think Harper is a legit 1A, building block type of offensive talent.

It's easier to build that then it is to build around Bam.

[batterybro42]

Spoiler:

Stop it, here are the facts of the last 10 years:

- Finished top 4 in the East, two times (1st 22, and 3rd 16)
- Average regular season wins 43
- Average Net Rating: +0.7
- Best Net Rating in 22, ranking them 6th overall

Not a single season can you consider them a top 4 team (I'm going by net rating which is far more reliable than W/L record).
They are the definition of a treadmill team, few other teams have been more mid than the Heat in this period.

Some fans are so blinded by fluke results (which didn't even lead to a title), when all the metrics and numbers are there to tell the real story.

Considering we started those 10 years off with losing the best player the league has seen outside Jordan and maybe Kobe for nothing in free agency, and then lost our best player to blood clots in the middle of his prime, also for nothing I would say this has been a remarkable 10 years which speaks to the overall strength of the organization. If you can't appreciate it you were likely never a Heat fan before the big 3 or appreciate the grind it takes for a team to even reach the 3rd round and how rare it is.

Talking here about net ratings and BS statistics like they somehow more important than post season success makes you look like a casual

In this disastrous 10 years for the Heat you speak of we are tied for 5th in league for playoff wins during that time, trailing only the Warriors, Celtics, Nuggets, and the Lebron led Cavs. All of which teams that were blessed with generational talents, and hall of fame players. You are delusional, and you will miss this era of Heat basketball that you are trashing when it is truly cooked.

What a wild take calling net rating "casual" like it’s some fringe stat.
Net rating is literally one of the most predictive metrics we have for team quality, it strips out the noise from close wins, clutch luck, and inflated records. Every serious analyst, FO and coach pays attention to it.

Being a fan doesn’t mean ignoring facts. Nobody’s denying Miami’s had some unforgettable playoff runs. But over a decade long sample, this team has been a treadmill squad. A couple of fluky deep runs don’t erase the bigger picture, just because some are allergic to numbers.

And all these excuses about losing LeBron, Bosh’s health, or bad luck, they don’t honor the organization, they highlight their stubbornness. Those were clear signals to reset, and instead, they clung to patchwork rosters year after year. That short sightedness cost them a better shot at maximizing the Jimmy window

Yes I am calling you a casual for talking about Net rating over WINNING GAMES

Speaking of the Jimmy window are you talking about the 2 finals and 3 ECF appearances we went to during that stretch with a guy as the frontline star who won't even be remembered as a top 10 player of his era? I think the window was maximized. If you want to be mad at somebody for how it ended in 23-24 talk to Adam Silver maybe he can issue you a memo

The organization did it's job drafting two supporting stars in the mid 1st round, and then sourcing a litany of supporting cast members from scratch. Again nobody wants to acknowledge the absolute mess LeBron leaving and the blood clots of Bosh created here. Miami should have been sitting in the basement, instead we recovered so well our fans can turn their nose up at going to the conference finals 3 out of 5 years

[greg4012]

Bam for Harrison Barnes, 2nd and 12th pick.
Wiggins for Hachimura, Gabe Vincent.
Trying to think of some trade where we give Herro to Bucks (home town tank commander), Pelicans give Bucks back their lotto picks and we get our pick back from Hornets basically.

We would be
C - Ware
PF - Jovic
SF - Jaquez Jr
SG - Harper (2nd)
PG - Fears (12th)

With all our picks back, Dybantsa in the tank for 26 and maybe 170 mill in cap space in 2 years

That squad will def have a fast track to having top odds for the #1 pick, then ending up with a pick somewhere around 4-7.

Harper is a G. One of the best slashing prospects in years.

I don't hate it.

I think Harper is a legit 1A, building block type of offensive talent.

It's easier to build that then it is to build around Bam.

The return isn't bad considering it's the #2 pick rather than the hope of a high pick.

It'll def make for some ugly years (hard to expect anyone in that hypothetical lineup to be an average NBA 3 pt shooter next season except Jovic), but I don't hate it either. 2026 draft looks really good.

[RexBoyWonder]

That squad will def have a fast track to having top odds for the #1 pick, then ending up with a pick somewhere around 4-7.

Harper is a G. One of the best slashing prospects in years.

I don't hate it.

I think Harper is a legit 1A, building block type of offensive talent.

It's easier to build that then it is to build around Bam.

The return isn't bad considering it's the #2 pick rather than the hope of a high pick.

It'll def make for some ugly years (hard to expect anyone in that hypothetical lineup to be an average NBA 3 pt shooter next season except Jovic), but I don't hate it either.

Sure this team will suck next year.

That's a bonus, you enjoy the growth of a stud rookie with Jovic and ware and add ANOTHER top 5 pick next year.

Then we start cooking.

Honestly, Bam going forward making big money - not the best asset to have if you want to reach the highest levels. Not unless you get 2 legit studs that are better then him. Very hard to do while keeping him.

I'm down to sell anything and everything on this roster for high picks, try to keep Ware and Jovic.

[greg4012]

Honestly, Bam going forward making big money - not the best asset to have if you want to reach the highest levels. Not unless you get 2 legit studs that are better then him. Very hard to do while keeping him.

Will always disagree with this point (which seems to be litigated on here every day). Bam is optimized with 2 better SCORERS than him, but Bam is one of the absolute best frontcourt players in the NBA to pair with a top 5-10 level scorer in the NBA.

Scoring is crucial, but too many are too quick to dismiss the critical impact of everything else that goes into winning basketball.

What Bam provides at 25-30% of the salary cap is value (right in the same range he's been in despite the scary numbers in a rising cap league) and is the ideal fit to optimize a top scorer's game.

See the Phoenix Suns experiment.

[Kobewade11]

People/fans kill me when they dismiss our runs as flukes. Completely disrespectful to the players and the work they put in.

[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

Considering we started those 10 years off with losing the best player the league has seen outside Jordan and maybe Kobe for nothing in free agency, and then lost our best player to blood clots in the middle of his prime, also for nothing I would say this has been a remarkable 10 years which speaks to the overall strength of the organization. If you can't appreciate it you were likely never a Heat fan before the big 3 or appreciate the grind it takes for a team to even reach the 3rd round and how rare it is.

Talking here about net ratings and BS statistics like they somehow more important than post season success makes you look like a casual

In this disastrous 10 years for the Heat you speak of we are tied for 5th in league for playoff wins during that time, trailing only the Warriors, Celtics, Nuggets, and the Lebron led Cavs. All of which teams that were blessed with generational talents, and hall of fame players. You are delusional, and you will miss this era of Heat basketball that you are trashing when it is truly cooked.

What a wild take calling net rating "casual" like it’s some fringe stat.
Net rating is literally one of the most predictive metrics we have for team quality, it strips out the noise from close wins, clutch luck, and inflated records. Every serious analyst, FO and coach pays attention to it.

Being a fan doesn’t mean ignoring facts. Nobody’s denying Miami’s had some unforgettable playoff runs. But over a decade long sample, this team has been a treadmill squad. A couple of fluky deep runs don’t erase the bigger picture, just because some are allergic to numbers.

And all these excuses about losing LeBron, Bosh’s health, or bad luck, they don’t honor the organization, they highlight their stubbornness. Those were clear signals to reset, and instead, they clung to patchwork rosters year after year. That short sightedness cost them a better shot at maximizing the Jimmy window

Yes I am calling you a casual for talking about Net rating over WINNING GAMES

Speaking of the Jimmy window are you talking about the 2 finals and 3 ECF appearances we went to during that stretch with a guy as the frontline star who won't even be remembered as a top 10 player of his era? I think the window was maximized. If you want to be mad at somebody for how it ended in 23-24 talk to Adam Silver maybe he can issue you a memo

The organization did it's job drafting two supporting stars in the mid 1st round, and then sourcing a litany of supporting cast members from scratch. Again nobody wants to acknowledge the absolute mess LeBron leaving and the blood clots of Bosh created here. Miami should have been sitting in the basement, instead we recovered so well our fans can turn their nose up at going to the conference finals 3 out of 5 years

Yeah, winning games > net rating, got you. I’m the casual, clearly…

Meanwhile, every front office in the league relies on it to make real decisions. But let’s ignore the stat that filters out noise and luck, and just keep putting our faith in “culture” and vibes—as long as we “win games” (newsflash: they mostly haven’t been winning games either, literally a mid team)

You should apply to the Heat, honestly. They’re always looking for new ways to stay mid with conviction

[greg4012]

What a wild take calling net rating "casual" like it’s some fringe stat.
Net rating is literally one of the most predictive metrics we have for team quality, it strips out the noise from close wins, clutch luck, and inflated records. Every serious analyst, FO and coach pays attention to it.

Being a fan doesn’t mean ignoring facts. Nobody’s denying Miami’s had some unforgettable playoff runs. But over a decade long sample, this team has been a treadmill squad. A couple of fluky deep runs don’t erase the bigger picture, just because some are allergic to numbers.

And all these excuses about losing LeBron, Bosh’s health, or bad luck, they don’t honor the organization, they highlight their stubbornness. Those were clear signals to reset, and instead, they clung to patchwork rosters year after year. That short sightedness cost them a better shot at maximizing the Jimmy window

Yes I am calling you a casual for talking about Net rating over WINNING GAMES

Speaking of the Jimmy window are you talking about the 2 finals and 3 ECF appearances we went to during that stretch with a guy as the frontline star who won't even be remembered as a top 10 player of his era? I think the window was maximized. If you want to be mad at somebody for how it ended in 23-24 talk to Adam Silver maybe he can issue you a memo

The organization did it's job drafting two supporting stars in the mid 1st round, and then sourcing a litany of supporting cast members from scratch. Again nobody wants to acknowledge the absolute mess LeBron leaving and the blood clots of Bosh created here. Miami should have been sitting in the basement, instead we recovered so well our fans can turn their nose up at going to the conference finals 3 out of 5 years

Yeah, winning games > net rating, got you. I’m the casual, clearly…

Meanwhile, every front office in the league relies on it to make real decisions. But let’s ignore the stat that filters out noise and luck, and just keep putting our faith in “culture” and vibes—as long as we “win games” (newsflash: they mostly haven’t been winning games either, literally a mid team)

You should apply to the Heat, honestly. They’re always looking for new ways to stay mid with conviction

Can he rely on your network of coaches and front office execs to kick off his application process?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

When Jimmy was putting a 40 ball on the Bucks to close them out in game 5, Bam was locking down Giannis holding him to like 1-9 shooting in the 4th (while also having a triple double) to help compliment Jimmy in leading the comeback. Both sides of the ball matter, if Bam isn’t shutting down Giannis in the 4th we don’t win games 4 or 5 and likely the series at that point.

Get the right cast here to put everyone in their proper roles and let’s win a championship or send Edrice somewhere he can win and be appreciated for the several things he does for this team on a nightly basis (most responsibilities on the team by far).