2025 NBA Draft

[pepe1991]

Im not saying its rigged... but someone from GB reposted a Raps poster from their board that says something like...

" Show me a multi-billion dollar corporation headed by 30 billionaires who got there by not being dumb, and makes important decision based on a throw of a dice "

Then again... i already had DAL or WAS winning it so... ehhh..

Aha, and the billionaire owners of the Wizards, Hornets & co just say every year take those Superstars, we are fine. We dont need star players like the last 2-4 decades before already.

It depends how you view those teams.
In past 40 years (lottery erea) Wizards nor Hornets ever made moves that were basketball moves, or that make any basketball sense.

Their owners aren't there to fight for titles, they are there to maximize profit. They probably make more money when Lakers are champions than when they are in playoffs. Needless to say, they are fine with having terrible teams year in and year out.

Hornets are without playoffs for 9 years straight, on East. Wizards missed playoffs 6 out of last 7 times.

From NBA value, both teams are irrelevant, owners just fall in line, operate like it's another company and ignore sporting aspects of it. It's foolish to think those guys have much emotional investments in teams. Hornets owner used to be shareholder of Hawks. They are people heavily involved in politics, money flaws, transactions. It's just another investment. Like any multi million dollar job, you have rules to follow, don't ask questions, just stay in your line.

[drsd]

Aha, and the billionaire owners of the Wizards, Hornets & co just say every year take those Superstars, we are fine. We dont need star players like the last 2-4 decades before already.

It depends how you view those teams.
In past 40 years (lottery erea) Wizards nor Hornets ever made moves that were basketball moves, or that make any basketball sense.

Their owners aren't there to fight for titles, they are there to maximize profit. They probably make more money when Lakers are champions than when they are in playoffs. Needless to say, they are fine with having terrible teams year in and year out.

Hornets are without playoffs for 9 years straight, on East. Wizards missed playoffs 6 out of last 7 times.

From NBA value, both teams are irrelevant, owners just fall in line, operate like it's another company and ignore sporting aspects of it. It's foolish to think those guys have much emotional investments in teams. Hornets owner used to be shareholder of Hawks. They are people heavily involved in politics, money flaws, transactions. They can't care less about sport. It's just another investment.

And-1

Look: every NBA team goes up in resale value 20%+ every year. So, so long as a team loses per year less than 20% of the value of the team, the team is profitable. Add to that, most NBA teams are running "small" profits, at a pure buisness level, owning an NBA team is a great buisness decision.

Even the Boston's/GSW's/etc. that "lose" 100M a year are still making money; all teams are worth 20% more a year after all.

[GelbeWand09]

Im not saying its rigged... but someone from GB reposted a Raps poster from their board that says something like...

" Show me a multi-billion dollar corporation headed by 30 billionaires who got there by not being dumb, and makes important decision based on a throw of a dice "

Then again... i already had DAL or WAS winning it so... ehhh..

Aha, and the billionaire owners of the Wizards, Hornets & co just say every year take those Superstars, we are fine. We dont need star players like the last 2-4 decades before already.

It depends how you view those teams.
In past 40 years (lottery erea) Wizards nor Hornets ever made moves that were basketball moves, or that make any basketball sense.

Their owners aren't there to fight for titles, they are there to maximize profit. They probably make more money when Lakers are champions than when they are in playoffs. Needless to say, they are fine with having terrible teams year in and year out.

Hornets are without playoffs for 9 years straight, on East. Wizards missed playoffs 6 out of last 7 times.

From NBA value, both teams are irrelevant, owners just fall in line, operate like it's another company and ignore sporting aspects of it. It's foolish to think those guys have much emotional investments in teams. Hornets owner used to be shareholder of Hawks. They are people heavily involved in politics, money flaws, transactions. It's just another investment. Like any multi million dollar job, you have rules to follow, don't ask questions, just stay in your line.

No team wants to be irrelevant for 20-40 years
- If they don't care about winning, they're still interested in money and stars bring money. Those guys dont watch other owners get more money because of success and stars just because they make still profit. They woudnt be billionaires if they think so.
- Teams like Sacramento, Indiana & co always want to win and they are still ok with never winning the lottery and those stars go to the other teams around them?
- Orlando was OK being the worst or 2nd worst team over a full decade record wise and never winning the lottery or even jumping in the top 3 despite them making win now moves and hiring win now coaches?
- Teams are ok that the Cavs win the lottery 3 times in 4 years after having the priviledge of having LeBron for 7-8 years?
- Then why does the NBA allow a 20 year conference imbalance when they could distribute the stars better per draft?
- How come that it never comes out with so many ex GMs and owners? completely unrealistic
- quasi-banned owners and GM's like Sterling & Morey don't say anything either?
- Other teams are ok with the fact that teams that had real superstars and then often lose them due to incompetence immediately get the next real superstar even though half of the remaining teams don't have a real superstar and some of them haven't had one for ages?

[pepe1991]

Aha, and the billionaire owners of the Wizards, Hornets & co just say every year take those Superstars, we are fine. We dont need star players like the last 2-4 decades before already.

It depends how you view those teams.
In past 40 years (lottery erea) Wizards nor Hornets ever made moves that were basketball moves, or that make any basketball sense.

Their owners aren't there to fight for titles, they are there to maximize profit. They probably make more money when Lakers are champions than when they are in playoffs. Needless to say, they are fine with having terrible teams year in and year out.

Hornets are without playoffs for 9 years straight, on East. Wizards missed playoffs 6 out of last 7 times.

From NBA value, both teams are irrelevant, owners just fall in line, operate like it's another company and ignore sporting aspects of it. It's foolish to think those guys have much emotional investments in teams. Hornets owner used to be shareholder of Hawks. They are people heavily involved in politics, money flaws, transactions. It's just another investment. Like any multi million dollar job, you have rules to follow, don't ask questions, just stay in your line.

No team wants to be irrelevant for 20-40 years
- If they don't care about winning, they're still interested in money and stars bring money. Those guys dont watch other owners get more money because of success and stars just because they make still profit. They woudnt be billionaires if they think so.
- Teams like Sacramento, Indiana & co always want to win and they are still ok with never winning the lottery and those stars go to the other teams around them?
- Orlando was OK being the worst or 2nd worst team over a full decade record wise and never winning the lottery or even jumping in the top 3 despite them making win now moves and hiring win now coaches?
- Teams are ok that the Cavs win the lottery 3 times in 4 years after having the priviledge of having LeBron for 7-8 years?
- Then why does the NBA allow a 20 year conference imbalance when they could distribute the stars better per draft?
- How come that it never comes out with so many ex GMs and owners? completely unrealistic
- quasi-banned owners and GM's like Sterling & Morey don't say anything either?
- Other teams are ok with the fact that teams that had real superstars and then often lose them due to incompetence immediately get the next real superstar even though half of the remaining teams don't have a real superstar and some of them haven't had one for ages?

1) Wizards and Hornets have/had stars. Wall 1# pick, Beal 3# pick, Lamelo 3#, Miller 2#
It's not about having or not having star, it's about optimizing profit. Once you figure everybody makes more money if major market team is champion, you not being champion (because, let's face it, you suck at basketball nor care too much ) becomes even less relevant to a point where it's not worth bothering.

2) Vivek ( Kings) used to own parts of Warriors. Pacers owner bought team in 1983, team was worthless, previous owner wanted to return team to nba. He bought team for $11M. Why would he care about conspiracies, that team is only serious incom he has.

3) Once again, League as it's best when best player(s) and biggest teams are doing fine. Go run math of probability of Cavs winning lottery three times in 4 years.
Lebron's exit and Lebron's return both involved 1# picks. Coincidence?

4) why would nba care about conference imbalance? From competitive aspect it's talking point, from money making, it's irrelevant, Western teams are more popular & more watched & have more exclusive games = more competition in one conference = more high market games.


5) It's as unrealistic as every government & president telling 8 billion people to take vaccine that does next to nothing, or stay in home for 3 years, than start pretending it never happened?
What's there for former Gm to gain to say he was part of the show? He will get ridiculed and never work serious job in his life.
Just for sake of argument, Larry Bird told media in 1984 that Stern wanted game 7 of finals because league needed money, pretty much saying commisionair is part of game rigging for money.

6) feel free to find single interview with Sterling post 2014. That's what blacklisting means. Cutting your throat and platform to hear your voice.

7) what's more realistic? Option that in scripted league only 5 teams never won lottery OR that in time frame 1980-2024 - only 13 teams won title (less than half) , and among 44 title winners, 21 titles went to Celtics, LAL & Bulls ?

Look, i don't think everything is scripted, but i do think that league has shady ways to compensate on surface illogical, irrational trades.


League that allows nba player to have his own agency of players is all but regular league.

[Optimus_Steel]

Gee whiz, this pick swap next year (worse of Suns/Wizards) is almost our best tradeable asset, borderline untradeable? They can easily both be bottom 5 teams going into next years lottery. Durant will be traded, Wash miss out on Harper/Flagg this year. Amazing

It was extremely an good low risk/high reward move, even if it didn’t pan out to anything worthwhile. Chances are increasing that it will be a high reward move.

[Idiosyncratic]

Gee whiz, this pick swap next year (worse of Suns/Wizards) is almost our best tradeable asset, borderline untradeable? They can easily both be bottom 5 teams going into next years lottery. Durant will be traded, Wash miss out on Harper/Flagg this year. Amazing

It was extremely an good low risk/high reward move, even if it didn’t pan out to anything worthwhile. Chances are increasing that it will be a high reward move.

Also have the Bucks 2nd rounder next year. Could be very nice if they trade Giannis. Having those two picks next year makes these ones even more tradable if they want to make a big move.

[Idiosyncratic]

Richardson scares me because his measurements were bad, and he'll likely fall. I don't really want him. He's just too small. Sexton had similar measurements but has a 6'7.25" wingspan and 183 lbs.

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I'd still take him at 16 if they don't move the pick, but I was never under the impression he was taller than 6'1. I'm just a believer that he really knows how to play wining ball and even as an off ball guard he has potential to be a winning player. He also finished well at the hoop as a freshman despite his height.

These are nearly the same measurements as Sexton. Speaking of Sexton I remember seeing someone say (maybe it was on RealGM) that someone with Jazz insider knowledge said there were no 1st round pick offers for Sexton at the deadline. So he really isn't valued around the league, probably in part because of the height. I do think Jase could slip now.

[dsg2021]

Dallas GM Nico is a proven wildcard. He may actually want more veteran pieces for the next 1-3 seasons than Cooper Flagg alone.

We're talking about trading for Cooper Flagg here.

And the deal could go something like KCP for Klay swap as something they probably want. Yes, I'm aware it may probably have to be Suggs or even Franz instead of KCP, sadly.

Then maybe one more swap of players that lands them one of JI, WCJ, or Goga that they really like as a net-win.

And then finally maybe a swap of Picks and Players that gives Nico some War Chest pieces. Namely, Marshall and Prosper for AB and TDS, and basically 3-4 ORL 1st's incoming and they have to be kind of juicy ones like 2029 unprotected and 2030 unprotected swap. This PHX/WAS 1st that ORL has might already be the first juicy one too.

Cooper Flagg
KCP
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

[JoshuaPotter]

Dallas GM Nico is a proven wildcard. He may actually want more veteran pieces for the next 1-3 seasons than Cooper Flagg alone.

We're talking about trading for Cooper Flagg here.

And the deal could go something like KCP for Klay swap as something they probably want. Yes, I'm aware it may probably have to be Suggs or even Franz instead of KCP, sadly.

Then maybe one more swap of players that lands them one of JI, WCJ, or Goga that they really like as a net-win.

And then finally maybe a swap of Picks and Players that gives Nico some War Chest pieces. Namely, Marshall and Prosper for AB and TDS, and basically 3-4 ORL 1st's incoming and they have to be kind of juicy ones like 2029 unprotected and 2030 unprotected swap. This PHX/WAS 1st that ORL has might already be the first juicy one too.

Cooper Flagg
KCP
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

Wait why are we gutting our backcourts future and picks for cooper? Do they actually want to trade the pick?

[basketballRob]

Danny Wolf could be a Hedo type player with his ballhandling and passing?

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Dallas GM Nico is a proven wildcard. He may actually want more veteran pieces for the next 1-3 seasons than Cooper Flagg alone.

We're talking about trading for Cooper Flagg here.

And the deal could go something like KCP for Klay swap as something they probably want. Yes, I'm aware it may probably have to be Suggs or even Franz instead of KCP, sadly.

Then maybe one more swap of players that lands them one of JI, WCJ, or Goga that they really like as a net-win.

And then finally maybe a swap of Picks and Players that gives Nico some War Chest pieces. Namely, Marshall and Prosper for AB and TDS, and basically 3-4 ORL 1st's incoming and they have to be kind of juicy ones like 2029 unprotected and 2030 unprotected swap. This PHX/WAS 1st that ORL has might already be the first juicy one too.

Cooper Flagg
KCP
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

Wait why are we gutting our backcourts future and picks for cooper? Do they actually want to trade the pick?

Flagg, Lively II, PJ is a damn good starting point, move AD, Gafford, Klay for pieces. I honestly could see Lakers being interested in Gafford but Mavs would want Reaves and I'm not sure I see enough pieces to make it work

[cedric76]

Richardson scares me because his measurements were bad, and he'll likely fall. I don't really want him. He's just too small. Sexton had similar measurements but has a 6'7.25" wingspan and 183 lbs.

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I'd still take him at 16 if they don't move the pick, but I was never under the impression he was taller than 6'1. I'm just a believer that he really knows how to play wining ball and even as an off ball guard he has potential to be a winning player. He also finished well at the hoop as a freshman despite his height.

These are nearly the same measurements as Sexton. Speaking of Sexton I remember seeing someone say (maybe it was on RealGM) that someone with Jazz insider knowledge said there were no 1st round pick offers for Sexton at the deadline. So he really isn't valued around the league, probably in part because of the height. I do think Jase could slip now.

Jase will be available when we pick, those measurements will make him drop

[basketballRob]

Richardson scares me because his measurements were bad, and he'll likely fall. I don't really want him. He's just too small. Sexton had similar measurements but has a 6'7.25" wingspan and 183 lbs.

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I'd still take him at 16 if they don't move the pick, but I was never under the impression he was taller than 6'1. I'm just a believer that he really knows how to play wining ball and even as an off ball guard he has potential to be a winning player. He also finished well at the hoop as a freshman despite his height.

These are nearly the same measurements as Sexton. Speaking of Sexton I remember seeing someone say (maybe it was on RealGM) that someone with Jazz insider knowledge said there were no 1st round pick offers for Sexton at the deadline. So he really isn't valued around the league, probably in part because of the height. I do think Jase could slip now.

Jase will be available when we pick, those measurements will make him drop

It's scary because that's Weltman's type of pick.

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[drsd]

One interesting outcome of the draft is how favourable it is to Orlando, given how poorly the Southeast Division performed.

Washington: Pick 6 (could not have slotted lower)
Charlotte: Pick 4 (fell from having the third-worst record)
Atlanta: Picks 13 and 22
Miami: Pick 20

Washington and Charlotte are acquiring long-term projects who will need a couple of years to develop, while Atlanta and Miami are selecting future bench players. This draft does nothing to strengthen the Southeast Division—if anything, it leaves it even weaker.

[RichCollab]

When was the last time we traded a 1st pick?

[eyriq]

When was the last time we traded a 1st pick?

Fultz trade? The pick turned into Maxey.

[pepe1991]

One interesting outcome of the draft is how favourable it is to Orlando, given how poorly the Southeast Division performed.

Washington: Pick 6 (could not have slotted lower)
Charlotte: Pick 4 (fell from having the third-worst record)
Atlanta: Picks 13 and 22
Miami: Pick 20

Washington and Charlotte are acquiring long-term projects who will need a couple of years to develop, while Atlanta and Miami are selecting future bench players. This draft does nothing to strengthen the Southeast Division—if anything, it leaves it even weaker.

Divisions literally mean nothing any more. Stopped being relevant when guaranteed spot in playoffs was removed.

Wizards & Hornets are worst ran nba teams in past 30 years.

Heat's Riley pretty much said he is tearing roster down.

Hawks are directionless. That has been case for them since...forever?

[cedric76]

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Finding an NBA player with measurements exactly matching 6'2" barefoot height, 199 lbs weight, 6'4" wingspan, and 8'1.5" standing reach is challenging, as these specific combinations are uncommon. However, some players have similar profiles:

Stephen Curry: Stands 6'2" barefoot, weighs approximately 185 lbs, and has a 6'4" wingspan. His standing reach is around 8'1", closely aligning with your specified measurements. Despite his relatively average wingspan, Curry's exceptional shooting and ball-handling skills have made him one of the NBA's top players.
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CJ McCollum: At 6'2" and about 190 lbs, with a wingspan near 6'6", McCollum's physical attributes are in the vicinity of your criteria. His standing reach is approximately 8'2", slightly above your specified measurement. McCollum is known for his scoring ability and has been a consistent performer in the league.

While exact matches are rare, these players demonstrate that success in the NBA isn't solely dependent on extraordinary physical measurements. Skill, basketball IQ, and adaptability play significant roles in a player's effectiveness on the court.

Walter Clayton Jr s stats are very similar to Curry s stats when he was in Davidson, i m not saying that Clayton will be the next Curry but now that i see that he is not as short as i thought, maybe he could be cole's replacement.

I see him more as a Fred VanVleet-Lite, what do you think?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

One interesting outcome of the draft is how favourable it is to Orlando, given how poorly the Southeast Division performed.

Washington: Pick 6 (could not have slotted lower)
Charlotte: Pick 4 (fell from having the third-worst record)
Atlanta: Picks 13 and 22
Miami: Pick 20

Washington and Charlotte are acquiring long-term projects who will need a couple of years to develop, while Atlanta and Miami are selecting future bench players. This draft does nothing to strengthen the Southeast Division—if anything, it leaves it even weaker.

Divisions literally mean nothing any more. Stopped being relevant when guaranteed spot in playoffs was removed.

Wizards & Hornets are worst ran nba teams in past 30 years.

Heat's Riley pretty much said he is tearing roster down.

Hawks are directionless. That has been case for them since...forever?

we'll be the tallest midget!!!!

[OnlyFranz22]

Package both firsts to trade up and get Tre Johnson