2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[sodmoraes]

The problem i see with edgecombe is that you are betting that his offensive game improves a lot, which is a lot to hope for. Without this, he´s just a role player, although a pretty good one, but not enough for us, since we need a 1a player, since Embiid prime is gone, and Maxey is not that kind of a player( hes more suited as a second best player on a contender).

Thats why i´m team Bailey, although he has a lot of red flags, as a lot of you guys comented already. But i can see him becoming a 1a player on a contender, if i squint a lot . If we think he´s not worthy, in my opinion, we should get Tre. He´s a bucket. He make a lot of tough shots, can create of the dribble, he´s just has way more potential than Kon, whos just a shooter, who benefitted a lot of playing with great players on Duke, while Tre´s team was trash.

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He had one assist in this game, but he had like 8 nice passes, but his team was just bad. Not gonna lie, he as a pretty lousy defender, but his offensive game is nuts. He has nice size, good athleticism, so i think he can be a good ft generator too. There´s no way he wont be a good scorer on the league , i can see him as a Devin Booker Kinda of player. If we wont get bailey, we should trade down and get Tre or Queen who has a lot of potential too. We need a creator, a player who can be a tough shotmaker, roleplayers arent enough for us, since we cant rely on Embiid anymore.

[76ciology]

Unless we’re fully sold on Ace Bailey or VJ, the smarter move might be to trade down. The lack of a clear consensus at No. 3 suggests there isn’t a significant gap between the prospects ranked 3 through 6 or maybe lower.

[Negrodamus]

For all the “we gotta trade down” folks, I think it will be very interesting to see what happens to Bailey’s draft stock during the pre-draft process. I could easily see him falling down big boards leaving us without an obvious trade partner.

If we could get 6 and 18 from the Wizards, I'd do it instantly. They have Poole and Sarr as their cornerstone stars. Coulibaly and Carrington are promising young players. I could see them wanting to get a scoring wing with size like Ace. Jazz still have that hole in their starting lineup, so it would be in the Wizard's best interest to move up if they have an appetite for Ace.

But you could be right, Ace might kill his stock in the predraft workouts.

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[Arsenal]

I'm holding onto the fact that Ace is one of the youngest players in this class. Still 18 years old. Will be 19 through his entire rookie season.

So there *should* be more upside than with most others. He's a year and a half younger than the "freshman" Derik Queen.

Hope he kills his workouts to either make us more confident in the pick, or give us good trade options.

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Maluach would definitely be a trade down.

[Arsenal]

Right now, my option A is to trade down then swing for the fences with Noa Essengue.

[FireMorey]

I like Tre Johnson more than others. Maybe he's not a great defender but he's a bucket getter. Top 5 you always have to go offensive upside, premium scorer potential. Trade down for him and get some extra stuff wouldn't be a bad move IMO.

[Mik317]

someone with time on their hands and less ADHD than me answer me this

when was the last time a team traded down and it worked out.

Could just be the negadelphian in me but IDK feels like it never works out. It reeks of getting too cute and ending up with a meh player and a future pick that doesn't amount to anything too.

[76ciology]

I'm holding onto the fact that Ace is one of the youngest players in this class. Still 18 years old. Will be 19 through his entire rookie season.

So there *should* be more upside than with most others. He's a year and a half younger than the "freshman" Derik Queen.

Hope he kills his workouts to either make us more confident in the pick, or give us good trade options.

Maluach is a month younger, more experienced, with stints in the FIBA World Cup, Olympics, and March Madness, has a higher floor, has been more productive, possesses elite size for his position, and comes with fewer questions about his upside than Ace Bailey.

[76ciology]

someone with time on their hands and less ADHD than me answer me this

when was the last time a team traded down and it worked out.

Could just be the negadelphian in me but IDK feels like it never works out. It reeks of getting too cute and ending up with a meh player and a future pick that doesn't amount to anything too.

Like Celts with Jayson Tatum?

[Mik317]

someone with time on their hands and less ADHD than me answer me this

when was the last time a team traded down and it worked out.

Could just be the negadelphian in me but IDK feels like it never works out. It reeks of getting too cute and ending up with a meh player and a future pick that doesn't amount to anything too.

Like Celts with Jayson Tatum?

Its funny that the two I saw at a quick glance both involved us getting wrecked lol (that on and then the Bridges one)

[Jojothewhale]

someone with time on their hands and less ADHD than me answer me this

when was the last time a team traded down and it worked out.

Could just be the negadelphian in me but IDK feels like it never works out. It reeks of getting too cute and ending up with a meh player and a future pick that doesn't amount to anything too.

Like Celts with Jayson Tatum?

Its funny that the two I saw at a quick glance both involved us getting wrecked lol (that on and then the Bridges one)

Saric was a trade down too. That worked out reasonably well.

[FireMorey]

It depends on what you get when trading down. Should they trade down for a 2nd round pick or a future top 25 protected first? No. But if say the Wizards absolutely love Edgecomb or Bailey and giving up either an unprotected first to move up or a first that's only top 4 protected or something, sure.

[76ciology]

someone with time on their hands and less ADHD than me answer me this

when was the last time a team traded down and it worked out.

Could just be the negadelphian in me but IDK feels like it never works out. It reeks of getting too cute and ending up with a meh player and a future pick that doesn't amount to anything too.

Like Celts with Jayson Tatum?

Its funny that the two I saw at a quick glance both involved us getting wrecked lol (that on and then the Bridges one)

OPTIONALITYYYYYYY

[LeonJordanJr24]

We will over thinking after the two best off board we take Ace and run ... No brainer ..

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[Stanford]

Consensus seems to be that VJ has low upside. What is the consensus on Tre Johnson? He seems sick.

[Arsenal]

I'm holding onto the fact that Ace is one of the youngest players in this class. Still 18 years old. Will be 19 through his entire rookie season.

So there *should* be more upside than with most others. He's a year and a half younger than the "freshman" Derik Queen.

Hope he kills his workouts to either make us more confident in the pick, or give us good trade options.

Maluach is a month younger, more experienced, with stints in the FIBA World Cup, Olympics, and March Madness, has a higher floor, has been more productive, possesses elite size for his position, and comes with fewer questions about his upside than Ace Bailey.

Not interested in Maluach, especially not at #3 overall.

[FireMorey]

Consensus seems to be that VJ has low upside. What is the consensus on Tre Johnson? He seems sick.

People don't like his defense or passing. High volume scorer. Iso scorer. Can shoot. Question is can he become a Donovan Mitchell type or will he be a Kuzma type?

I think Edgecomb has upside, but he has a guard's size and he's neither a primary distributor or high volume scorer or an elite shooter. If you're a guard with those attributes, I just don't know what your role is. I worry he will be a Mathurin type player in the NBA. He reminds me of the type of guy who'd fit perfectly on the Pacers. They don't have one transcendent player(unless you consider Haliburton that) but they have a ton of playable athletic guys and they throw waves of them at you. I think Edgecomb will be one of those guys. Not a star, but very effective role player.

Problem is at pick #3 I think you need to shoot for franchise guy. Not sure anyone at #3 jumps out as that though. I really think this draft is overrated.