Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[aboveAverage]

Which of the following 2 would be more attractive?:

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/ranking-best-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-packages-bucks-must-demand

1. Houston could send Jalen Green ($33.3 million through 2027), Jabari Smith Jr. ($12.3 million expiring), Reed Sheppard ($10.6 million through 2028), and five first-round selections: a 2025 via Phoenix, a 2027 via Phoenix, a 2027 Brooklyn swap, a 2029 Dallas/Phoenix swap, and a 2030.

2. Thunder - A trade package could send Jalen Williams
($6.5 million expiring), Isaiah Hartenstein ($28.5 million through 2026), Luguentz Dort ($17.7 million through 2026), and four first-round picks: a 2025 pick via Miami, a 2027 Clippers pick, a 2028 Dallas swap, and a 2029 unprotected Thunder first.

Neither. They are both terrible deals for the Bucks. Like KD said, the minimum going rate is 4 starters (including at least two all stars) and at least 6-7 first round picks. And even then I wouldn’t trade Giannis unless he demanded out.

The idea that people think they can get a top 20 player of all time for a few decent players and a few picks is absolutely ridiculous.

[machu46]

Which of the following 2 would be more attractive?:

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/ranking-best-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-packages-bucks-must-demand

1. Houston could send Jalen Green ($33.3 million through 2027), Jabari Smith Jr. ($12.3 million expiring), Reed Sheppard ($10.6 million through 2028), and five first-round selections: a 2025 via Phoenix, a 2027 via Phoenix, a 2027 Brooklyn swap, a 2029 Dallas/Phoenix swap, and a 2030.

2. Thunder - A trade package could send Jalen Williams
($6.5 million expiring), Isaiah Hartenstein ($28.5 million through 2026), Luguentz Dort ($17.7 million through 2026), and four first-round picks: a 2025 pick via Miami, a 2027 Clippers pick, a 2028 Dallas swap, and a 2029 unprotected Thunder first.

The Houston proposal is a complete joke. Thunder one could have some legs in a world where we're desperate to trade Giannis.

[Ron Swanson]

Louder for the people in the back: Pick swaps are not 1st round picks. I'm so god damn sick of these gaslighting trade proposals. That Houston package is particularly garbage, but at least it's not trying to pawn off a fake All-Star (Sengun) as the centerpiece. Banking the entire post Giannis future on Reed Sheppard and a 2027 Phoenix first as the two highest upside pieces is **** depressing man....

[Shamrockwiz]

He’s not going anywhere.

[German Athens]

Louder for the people in the back: Pick swaps are not 1st round picks. I'm so god damn sick of these gaslighting trade proposals. That Houston package is particularly garbage, but at least it's not trying to pawn off a fake All-Star (Sengun) as the centerpiece. Banking the entire post Giannis future on Reed Sheppard and a 2027 Phoenix first as the two highest upside pieces is **** depressing man....

The value of a typical pick swap probably equates to about the 45th pick in the draft.

Yes, there’s upside, but more often than not you get absolutely nothing.

[German Athens]

I could see PG Giannis turning in something like 31/12/9 on good efficiency next year with more locked in defense, because they are scrapping for wins. End up winning upper 40’s, get the 6 seed, and he wins MVP. Honestly, I think that would be a ton of fun to watch.

I could also see him gun for the scoring title.

[Bucknado]

Moving sucks. And he’d have to transfer his 401k, update his direct deposit info… who wants to sell a house in this economy?!

Just stay. It’s way easier.

[Ron Swanson]

Exactly. If there's one thing I'll actually give Horst credit for, it's suckering dumb GM's around the league to collectively overvalue the **** out of the "future pick swap". It's the "Top-55 protected 2nd" of 1st round picks. It just annoys the hell out of me when I see these proposals that say "you're getting 6 firsts!" Newsflash: we didn't give up 5 first round picks for Jrue. We gave up three late-1st's.

[BroncoBuck]

3 team deal

MKE: Out

Giannis
Pat

MKE In:

Castle
Zion
Keldon Johnson
Pick 2
2026 ATL/SA Swap
2027 ATL 1st

NO: Out

Zion

NO: In

Vassel
Pick #14

Spurs Out:
Castle
Vassel
Pick 2
Pick 14
26 Swap with ATL
27 ATL 1st

Spurs In:

Giannis
Pat

[emunney]

Bulls fan in peace, with the simple question. Who do you think ponies up the goods for Giannis? It has been suggested a top 3 pick plus assets or an All Star player plus picks & swaps would do it.
We couldn't compete simply due to the tax your FO would levy on us for being rivals and in the same division.
But I know (or suspect) you peeps would take Buzelis back in a hypothetical trade with other assets all things considered. I'm just curious what it's going to take, that's all.

It's not going to happen. I don't mean for the Bulls, I mean for anybody.

But theoretically, if it was going to happen, the package should be as little salary as possible to make the trade work, and then everything of value. Picks, swaps, stash guys, young players: everything. I've said before that appropriate value is probably something like three consecutive #1 overall picks. That's absurd and totally impracticable, of course, but it gives you an idea of where the bar *should* be set.

[ABucksFan]

Any OKC trade starts with Jalen AND Chet.

HOU stuff doesn't interest me even if they start with AMEN.

[raferfenix]

Sam Amick spoke to Eric Nehm and David Aldridge -- couple parts here seem new:

Amick: For the sake of fairness to Giannis, let’s reiterate one key detail here: He hasn’t asked out yet. League sources say he has been in fact-finding mode, discussing his situation with trusted confidantes while making it clear that he’s reading the room here. This is not a one-foot-out-the-door situation. Not yet, anyway.

But from my vantage point, it seems the bread crumbs were laid out in a pretty unmistakable manner these past few years. Every time there was a choice to be made about his future, and a contract negotiation tied to it, Horst was able to make the kind of move that, in essence, made his decision for him. That’s just not an option this time around.

What’s more, the Lillard injury made a challenging situation even worse. As we reported earlier this month, the prospect of trading Lillard this summer as a way of reshaping the roster yet again was expected to be discussed if he had stayed healthy. We’ll never know where those talks might have led, but they’re out of the question now.

Eric, you make good and relevant points about the “gap year” pitch to Giannis. And from what I’m hearing, it sounds like there are real changes that could be made in terms of style of play that would resonate with him. More specifically, there were lessons learned from the latest Pacers series that he’d like to see applied (if he stays, of course). Indiana’s frenetic pace, devastating ball movement and clear delineation of roles up and down the roster caused major problems for the Bucks’ defense. There’s a belief that it could be, in some form, replicated in Milwaukee.

Conversely, now is the time for Giannis to get clarity on what all of the interested teams might be able to put together if he came their way, as well as what might remain if they pull off a trade.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6351966/2025/05/13/giannis-antetokounmpo-bucks-future-trade/

[German Athens]

Sam Amick spoke to Eric Nehm and David Aldridge -- couple parts here seem new:

Amick: For the sake of fairness to Giannis, let’s reiterate one key detail here: He hasn’t asked out yet. League sources say he has been in fact-finding mode, discussing his situation with trusted confidantes while making it clear that he’s reading the room here. This is not a one-foot-out-the-door situation. Not yet, anyway.

But from my vantage point, it seems the bread crumbs were laid out in a pretty unmistakable manner these past few years. Every time there was a choice to be made about his future, and a contract negotiation tied to it, Horst was able to make the kind of move that, in essence, made his decision for him. That’s just not an option this time around.

What’s more, the Lillard injury made a challenging situation even worse. As we reported earlier this month, the prospect of trading Lillard this summer as a way of reshaping the roster yet again was expected to be discussed if he had stayed healthy. We’ll never know where those talks might have led, but they’re out of the question now.

Eric, you make good and relevant points about the “gap year” pitch to Giannis. And from what I’m hearing, it sounds like there are real changes that could be made in terms of style of play that would resonate with him. More specifically, there were lessons learned from the latest Pacers series that he’d like to see applied (if he stays, of course). Indiana’s frenetic pace, devastating ball movement and clear delineation of roles up and down the roster caused major problems for the Bucks’ defense. There’s a belief that it could be, in some form, replicated in Milwaukee.

Conversely, now is the time for Giannis to get clarity on what all of the interested teams might be able to put together if he came their way, as well as what might remain if they pull off a trade.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6351966/2025/05/13/giannis-antetokounmpo-bucks-future-trade/

I think that probably means we all saw the same stuff. That would be a great direction to go.

[Ron Swanson]

That tidbit about "lessons learned from watching the Pacers" would appear to be in direct contradiction to bringing the corpse of Doc back to meander through another lost season. If the organization is seriously dumb enough to think that Doc is just gonna change up everything about his antiquated offensive philosophy after the disaster that we saw unfold this season, I don't even know what the **** plan is anymore. There's just no helping this franchise if we're gonna continue hitching our wagon to that cancerous moron. Can't even say the "might as well just trade him now" crowd is wrong.

[BroncoBuck]

That tidbit about "lessons learned from watching the Pacers" would appear to be in direct contradiction to bringing the corpse of Doc back to meander through another lost season. If the organization is seriously dumb enough to think that Doc is just gonna change up everything about his antiquated offensive philosophy after the disaster that we saw unfold this season, I don't even know what the **** plan is anymore. There's just no helping this franchise if we're gonna continue hitching our wagon to that cancerous moron. Can't even say the "might as well just trade him now" crowd is wrong.

Sounds like bringing back Bud, that’s what the Pacers did with Carlisle lol.

[emunney]

I just want Horst to send me the list of guys he thinks are going to fit into this new paradigm so I can cross some of the names out.

[Profound23]

I just want Horst to send me the list of guys he thinks are going to fit into this new paradigm so I can cross some of the names out.

First name I would cross off is Horst

[chonestown]

"Yet" reeks of finding an angle where one don't exist. Like, there's things I wish were true but you don't find me posting ""OT: Pants" is not coming back yet."

[th87]

Doc is going to be the coach and no we do not have a top 4 roster in the East. We're a 40-45 win team if we somehow manage to bring everyone back and we won't.

Good luck selling that to Giannis, his representation and to the fans. Strap in, we're gonna hear a lot of more of these stories.

A Brandon Knight-led team got us 40 wins.

A healthy Giannis + improvements from Green, Trent, and Porter, along with new 3 and D athletes can easily get us 50.

They'll play better due to not having to figure out how to implement Dame. And once he returns, he can come off the bench as a microwave scorer.

Will guys like KPJ, Trent, Lopez, Bobby and Sims be back next year? All of them?

How do you plan to get these new 3 and D guys you're talking about?

We're going to play better without our all star PG? And returning next year? I don't think so.

That's a lot questions without great answers that are required for us to maybe get to 50 wins. And that's before asking if that's actually a 50 win core.

Expecting everyone except Lopez back.

New 3 and D guys can be obtained from the same places we found Connaughton, Trent, and Green. Giannis' gravity should help them even more.

That's next year. After that, more picks are available for trade, we have expirings, and much more flexibility.

You're really trading our sure-thing superstar in his prime for prospects we have no idea about (remember how good Parker was going to be), because of one year of potential difficulty?

[Ron Swanson]

We're not in any position to jettison Brook for nothing unless the cost is just too high. Just give him a reasonable 1-2 year deal and let him retire a Buck. Giannis still needs his regular season security blanket.