If the draft is rigged...

[Badonkadonk]

I am enjoying every conspiracy theory people come up with, keep them coming!!!

It's hilarious, honestly as unintentionally funny as the TWO thread.

[nikster]

This isn't a stupid conspiracy theory though. It's a logical conclusion. Billionaire owners are colluding to increase the value of their shared product. It doesn't make sense for them not to collude.

Fans care about competitive balance. Owners care about the value of their investment increasing.

I really don't think the incentive is there. I'm supposed to believe that someone like Flagg going to the Mavs is going to increase revenue sharing and league valuation so much that splitting it among 30 teams out weighs the benefit an individual owner would receive from jersey sales and multiple deep post season runs and possibly a title? That's not even getting into the massive risk to reputation if something like this was found out

Sending Luka to the Lakers increased revenue for the league. The Mavs getting Flagg was just part of the transaction.

Yeah you didnt address my point about revenue sharing vs individual profit at all. Any small market team benefits massively in revenue from having a player like Luka, jersey and ticket sales, deep post season runs etc... Also the TV deal is locked in, so i don't see how revenue sharing split among all lower revenue teams would be that much of an incentive.

As for Flagg being incentive, how do you figure that makes sense when Mavs were planning on being competitive? It took a significant injury to AD and a season ending injury to Kyrie for them drop into the play in, and even then they were only one play in win away from being in the playoffs.

[Thaddy]

It doesn't matter if the draft is rigged. Masai considers himself a good scout but he's never really had any top 7 picks.

Hypothetically:

We trade Poeltl for 2 picks at the prior trade deadline.

Tank hard enough to be bottom 3.

Even if we drop we'd end up in the top 7.

Trade the picks we got for Poeltl for a vet C available on the market.

Draft a premium prospect we can develop.

We would have been in the exact same spot we're currently in but with a better pick. Poeltl isn't that special there's a lot of defensive centers that can't provide meaningful offense.

You don't think Poeltl is worth more than a single pick?

[Raps in 4]

I really don't think the incentive is there. I'm supposed to believe that someone like Flagg going to the Mavs is going to increase revenue sharing and league valuation so much that splitting it among 30 teams out weighs the benefit an individual owner would receive from jersey sales and multiple deep post season runs and possibly a title? That's not even getting into the massive risk to reputation if something like this was found out

Sending Luka to the Lakers increased revenue for the league. The Mavs getting Flagg was just part of the transaction.

Yeah you didnt address my point about revenue sharing vs individual profit at all. Any small market team benefits massively in revenue from having a player like Luka, jersey and ticket sales, deep post season runs etc... Also the TV deal is locked in, so i don't see how revenue sharing split among all lower revenue teams would be that much of an incentive.

As for Flagg being incentive, how do you figure that makes sense when Mavs were planning on being competitive? It took a significant injury to AD and a season ending injury to Kyrie for them drop into the play in, and even then they were only one play in win away from being in the playoffs.

The league benefits much more from that player being in a big market. The small market benefits much more from the league doing well than their individual team doing well.

[bluerap23]

Because this is done behind close doors says it all

There’s literally videos of it.

Pretty sure it is rigged. Way too many "coincidences" over the years. It can easily be rigged with a weighted ball system. They don't televise live only show a recording. This is just in case something happens in the draw they can lose the tape.

[nikster]

Sending Luka to the Lakers increased revenue for the league. The Mavs getting Flagg was just part of the transaction.

Yeah you didnt address my point about revenue sharing vs individual profit at all. Any small market team benefits massively in revenue from having a player like Luka, jersey and ticket sales, deep post season runs etc... Also the TV deal is locked in, so i don't see how revenue sharing split among all lower revenue teams would be that much of an incentive.

As for Flagg being incentive, how do you figure that makes sense when Mavs were planning on being competitive? It took a significant injury to AD and a season ending injury to Kyrie for them drop into the play in, and even then they were only one play in win away from being in the playoffs.

The league benefits much more from that player being in a big market. The small market benefits much more from the league doing well than their individual team doing well.

That makes absolutely no sense and you can't substantiate that claim at all.

A few deep post season runs is absolutely massive revenue for a franchise, especially for one that hasn't been in the post season. The Raptors revenue was significantly increased as a result of the Derozan era playoff runs and especially the Kawhi title run. You have increased merchandise sales, ticket sales, brand loyalty. The revenue is so sigifnicsnt posters on this baoed speculate MLSE wants to pressure Masai to sacrifice our future for some immediate playoff revenue. Warriors went from a relatively small market to most valuable franchise in the league with their dynasty. Their 2022 playoff run alone brought in $100 million in revenue.

I'm supposed to believe that a player like Flagg going to a big market instead of a small one is going to cause a change of $100s of millions in league wide revenue?

[Shakril]

This isn't a stupid conspiracy theory though. It's a logical conclusion. Billionaire owners are colluding to increase the value of their shared product. It doesn't make sense for them not to collude.

Fans care about competitive balance. Owners care about the value of their investment increasing.

I really don't think the incentive is there. I'm supposed to believe that someone like Flagg going to the Mavs is going to increase revenue sharing and league valuation so much that splitting it among 30 teams out weighs the benefit an individual owner would receive from jersey sales and multiple deep post season runs and possibly a title? That's not even getting into the massive risk to reputation if something like this was found out

Sending Luka to the Lakers increased revenue for the league. The Mavs getting Flagg was just part of the transaction.

The No-Rigged Camp has provided Evidence why it isnt rigged.

Where is the Evidence that it is rigged? We are still waiting.

[Raps in 4]

I really don't think the incentive is there. I'm supposed to believe that someone like Flagg going to the Mavs is going to increase revenue sharing and league valuation so much that splitting it among 30 teams out weighs the benefit an individual owner would receive from jersey sales and multiple deep post season runs and possibly a title? That's not even getting into the massive risk to reputation if something like this was found out

Sending Luka to the Lakers increased revenue for the league. The Mavs getting Flagg was just part of the transaction.

The No-Rigged Camp has provided Evidence why it isnt rigged.

Where is the Evidence that it is rigged? We are still waiting.

What evidence? It's conjecture on both sides.

[YogurtProducer]

Because this is done behind close doors says it all

There’s literally videos of it.

Pretty sure it is rigged. Way too many "coincidences" over the years. It can easily be rigged with a weighted ball system. They don't televise live only show a recording. This is just in case something happens in the draw they can lose the tape.

There is team reps from every lottery team watching it live.

[YogurtProducer]

Sending Luka to the Lakers increased revenue for the league. The Mavs getting Flagg was just part of the transaction.

The No-Rigged Camp has provided Evidence why it isnt rigged.

Where is the Evidence that it is rigged? We are still waiting.

What evidence? It's conjecture on both sides.

Uhh nope. If you are making claims of it being rigged you need to provide the evidence. The evidence it is not rigged is there is no evidence to show it is

[Raps in 4]

The No-Rigged Camp has provided Evidence why it isnt rigged.

Where is the Evidence that it is rigged? We are still waiting.

What evidence? It's conjecture on both sides.

Uhh nope. If you are making claims of it being rigged you need to provide the evidence. The evidence it is not rigged is there is no evidence to show it is

What is the evidence that is isn't rigged? The NBA says it isn't. That isn't evidence.

[Raps in 4]

Lol draft conspiracists are wild. An unlikely outcome doesn’t make it an impossible outcome. You can’t call a 1.7% chance of winning something a conspiracy…

LeBron leaves the Cavs in 2011 and they win the lottery with 2.8% odds.

LeBron returns to Cleveland and needs a supporting cast. The Cavs win the lottery with 1.7% odds and trade the pick for an All-Star.

LeBron goes to LAL and needs a supporting cast. The Pelicans with the lottery with 6% odds and send AD to the Lakers.

LeBron is getting old and ratings are in the gutter. The Mavs send Luka to the Lakers and win the lottery with 1.8% odds.

Either the basketball gods are real and they LOVE LeBron and reward every team that helps him, or this is clearly a pattern of rigging. The league, and all franchise owners have much to gain from the face of their sport doing well.

[YogurtProducer]

What evidence? It's conjecture on both sides.

Uhh nope. If you are making claims of it being rigged you need to provide the evidence. The evidence it is not rigged is there is no evidence to show it is

What is the evidence that is isn't rigged? The NBA says it isn't. That isn't evidence.

There is 14 teams who send representatives to watch the lottery and observe. Why would they all go along with this and hurt themselves?

The NBA contracts an audit firm to audit the entire lottery process. Why would they lie and risk their reputation?

That is legitimate evidence. Everything for it being rigged is pure conspiracy.

[Raps in 4]

Uhh nope. If you are making claims of it being rigged you need to provide the evidence. The evidence it is not rigged is there is no evidence to show it is

What is the evidence that is isn't rigged? The NBA says it isn't. That isn't evidence.

There is 14 teams who send representatives to watch the lottery and observe. Why would they all go along with this and hurt themselves?

The NBA contracts an audit firm to audit the entire lottery process. Why would they lie and risk their reputation?

That is legitimate evidence. Everything for it being rigged is pure conspiracy.

They aren't hurting themselves though. They know that ensuring the success of the NBA as a product benefits their investment.

[Shakril]

Sending Luka to the Lakers increased revenue for the league. The Mavs getting Flagg was just part of the transaction.

The No-Rigged Camp has provided Evidence why it isnt rigged.

Where is the Evidence that it is rigged? We are still waiting.

What evidence? It's conjecture on both sides.

Lawyers are observing the lottery.
Everything is documented.
All the teams have insight in the Lottery. Even the media is present.
There is a ruleset in place, were every Detail is explained to a Tee. Any irregularity would immediatly be investigated, as it is immpossible to not notice when something is off.

This are just the things i know right now from the top of my head.
These are raw facts, not an opinion from me.
And those things have been mentioned over and over again by different people.
So no both sides are not equal. Your side has provided NOTHING of substance.


Damn you could even inform yourself if you dont trust anyone here. This knowledge is publicly available.
But i guess it cost less energy to make up stuff than actually looking up the facts and admitting that you were wrong.

But if you want to hear an opinion?
Get this, it will blow your mind .... the moon landing...... it was REAL


Honestly, this thread feels like talking to MAGAs.

[YogurtProducer]

Lol draft conspiracists are wild. An unlikely outcome doesn’t make it an impossible outcome. You can’t call a 1.7% chance of winning something a conspiracy…

LeBron leaves the Cavs in 2011 and they win yhe lottery with 2.8% odds.

LeBron returns to Cleveland and needs a supporting cast. The Cavs win the lottery with 1.7% odds and trade the pick for an All-Star.

LeBron goes to LAL and needs a supporting cast. The Pelicans with the lottery with 6% odds and send AD to the Lakers.

LeBron is getting old and ratings are in the gutter. The Mavs send Luka to the Lakers and win the lottery with 1.8% odds.

Either the basketball gods are real and they LOVE LeBron and reward every team that helps him, or this is clearly a pattern of rigging. The league, and all franchise owners have much to gain from the face of their sport doing well.

#2 happened before LBJ left Miami man

You focus on teams with low odds of winning these lottery's, but ignore the actual reality.

In #1 - there was a 2.8% odds, but they still had the 8th best odds. There was a 28% SOMEONE with a 7.5% chance or worse was going to win.

In #3 - 6% is not a small % chance lol. They were the 7th best odds in the draft. There was a 26% chance NO or someone with "worse" odds would win that draft.

In #4 - Again. There was an 18.5% chance someone from the bottom 5 would win lottery.

Look over the last decade. The teams in the top 4 have won 7 times, and teams have jumped up 3 times. Based on the fact there is a 20-30% chance that teams from the bottom half of the lottery would win this exactly lines up with the math (which in a small sample is honestly surprising).

Y'all just don't understand numbers and don't realize these things happening is 100% predictable.

[Raps in 4]

Lol draft conspiracists are wild. An unlikely outcome doesn’t make it an impossible outcome. You can’t call a 1.7% chance of winning something a conspiracy…

LeBron leaves the Cavs in 2011 and they win yhe lottery with 2.8% odds.

LeBron returns to Cleveland and needs a supporting cast. The Cavs win the lottery with 1.7% odds and trade the pick for an All-Star.

LeBron goes to LAL and needs a supporting cast. The Pelicans with the lottery with 6% odds and send AD to the Lakers.

LeBron is getting old and ratings are in the gutter. The Mavs send Luka to the Lakers and win the lottery with 1.8% odds.

Either the basketball gods are real and they LOVE LeBron and reward every team that helps him, or this is clearly a pattern of rigging. The league, and all franchise owners have much to gain from the face of their sport doing well.

#2 happened before LBJ left Miami man

You focus on teams with low odds of winning these lottery's, but ignore the actual reality.

In #1 - there was a 2.8% odds, but they still had the 8th best odds. There was a 28% SOMEONE with a 7.5% chance or worse was going to win.

In #3 - 6% is not a small % chance lol. They were the 7th best odds in the draft. There was a 26% chance NO or someone with "worse" odds would win that draft.

In #4 - Again. There was an 18.5% chance someone from the bottom 5 would win lottery.

Look over the last decade. The teams in the top 4 have won 7 times, and teams have jumped up 3 times. Based on the fact there is a 20-30% chance that teams from the bottom half of the lottery would win this exactly lines up with the math (which in a small sample is honestly surprising).

Y'all just don't understand numbers and don't realize these things happening is 100% predictable.

LeBron signing with Cleveland in 2014 was a foregone conclusion for a long time.

And there is no reason for the NBA to rig the lottery every season. They do it when needed, such as when a team sends their franchise player to a big market. With that fan base livid, the NBA placates them with the top pick.

[Raps in 4]

The No-Rigged Camp has provided Evidence why it isnt rigged.

Where is the Evidence that it is rigged? We are still waiting.

What evidence? It's conjecture on both sides.

Lawyers are observing the lottery.
Everything is documented.
All the teams have insight in the Lottery. Even the media is present.
There is a ruleset in place, were every Detail is explained to a Tee. Any irregularity would immediatly be investigated, as it is immpossible to not notice when something is off.

This are just the things i know right now from the top of my head.
These are raw facts, not an opinion from me.
And those things have been mentioned over and over again by different people.
So no both sides are not equal. Your side has provided NOTHING of substance.


Damn you could even inform yourself if you dont trust anyone here. This knowledge is publicly available.
But i guess it cost less energy to make up stuff than actually looking up the facts and admitting that you were wrong.

But if you want to hear an opinion?
Get this, it will blow your mind .... the moon landing...... it was REAL


Honestly, this thread feels like talking to MAGAs.

Lawyers are present and everything is documented in every business transaction. Yet financial fraud is still rampant. Believing that billionaires play by the rules and that everything they say is true is incredibly naive. This is how MAGA came to power. Trump and his billionaire buddies would never lie to me!

[WhatsaTDot]

I am enjoying every conspiracy theory people come up with, keep them coming!!!

The Kings players were called conspiracy theorists when they claimed the Lakers were given the series against them. Years later the ref was arrested for rigging the game. The Jazz will get the 1st pick next year and draft AJ. NBA players are even calling out this clear rigged draft.

No one was arrested. Tim Donaghy is the one who claimed the refs were ignored/called fouls in Game to the Lakers extend the series. Donaghy wasn’t reffing that game, he was a substitute. If you’d like to just believe Donaghy that’s fine.

[Woodman19]

They could easily alleviate the conspiracy by conducting the live lottery in front of the cameras like the NHL does, doing it in a back room with consistently suspicious outcomes does not lead to a lot of confidence.