Charlotte/Brooklyn- A swap of picks and centers

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Charlotte Trades:
Jusuf Nurkic
#4

Brooklyn Trades:
#8
Nic Claxton

Why for Charlotte?
Hornets move back 4 spots to grab a starting caliber center who helps them finally push for the playoffs. (Assuming Mark Williams is heading elsewhere)

Why for Brooklyn?
Nets move up 4 spots to grab a higher potential prospect of their choice.

[Mavrelous]

I don't think the player swap holds enough value to make the jump.
CHO were reported to be in deep conversations with MEM, in 24 draft, givem they were picking a reach, but refuaed to trade down for what they perceived as not enough, so they have a bistory of standing on business.

[Godaddycurse]

need to add some future pick(s) too

[psman2]

I have Charlotte still viewing Mark Williams as the center of the future and even if they flipped him I don't have Claxton with this value regardless.

[facothomas22]

The Nets would also need to include additional assets to make that move up into the top 4. Nic Claxton alone isn't enough.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

[Godaddycurse]

need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

charlotte have 2 early seconds already so dont think they want more 2025 late picks

[JKiddy]

Claxton > Nurkic Nets pass

[ReggiesKnicks]

need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

[Godaddycurse]

need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

More recent example is 4 + 35 for 8 + 17 (hunter trade). Bailey/VJ might be seen as a better prospect than Hunter though so i think more value is needed

[TheBrooklynKidd]

need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

I didn’t include it because I don’t think moving up in this specific draft is worth #19.

I like a lot of guys in the 19 range and am pretty comfortable at 8 to start with.

[HornetJail]

nah i'm good. I'd trade down for a playmaker though

[gswhoops]

Yeah I don't think Claxton gets you from 8 to 4 by himself. He's a good player but not a game changer.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

I didn’t include it because I don’t think moving up in this specific draft is worth #19.

I like a lot of guys in the 19 range and am pretty comfortable at 8 to start with.

I think it's important when analyzing draft pick trades to ignore the prospects since you aren't a professional scout and instead go off of history of the value.

What ends up happening is fans always convince themselves that staying where they are is better than making a trade for a better player/prospect.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

I didn’t include it because I don’t think moving up in this specific draft is worth #19.

I like a lot of guys in the 19 range and am pretty comfortable at 8 to start with.

I think it's important when analyzing draft pick trades to ignore the prospects since you aren't a professional scout and instead go off of history of the value.

What ends up happening is fans always convince themselves that staying where they are is better than making a trade for a better player/prospect.

Sure I get that.

According to the Athletic, after #2 the professional scouts you’re talking about are all over the place. The 2-10 range is considered to be pretty flat and an “eye of the beholder” situation, especially after Bailey measured in at 6’7.

This is something I very much agree with and would rather have another swing at 19.

[hugepatsfan]

I don't think teams picking top 4 are usually interested in devaluing it to add a decent player like Claxton. Maybe if a team like OKC had the pick and weren't enamored with anyone while having the deadweight filler contract to send back and Claxton filled a need. Would take kind of a perfect storm that doesn't exist here.

[jayjaysee]

I have looked at a lot of the mock drafts over the last few months and they all have had the same top 4. Like a lot of mock drafts..

I don’t think the CLT does the OP if Brooklyn added 19th.

[Texas Chuck]

Propose trade to move up.
Don't come close to giving enough.
When told that immediately assert flat draft so I don't really want to move up despite proposing it.

Yep draft season is officially here.

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[HornetJail]

I don’t think the CLT does the OP if Brooklyn added 19th.

i think you could get me on board for Clax+8+19 for 4 if we're not big on whichever of VJ/Ace is left over for us, and we can't find a big time player to trade #4 for, but I'm searching for a playmaking guard/wing/forward to swap Claxton for

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I have looked at a lot of the mock drafts over the last few months and they all have had the same top 4. Like a lot of mock drafts..

I don’t think the CLT does the OP if Brooklyn added 19th.

Yes Ace at 3, VJ at 4 because of physical tools. However, both have significant flaws and certainly arent strong 3rd and 4th picks historically.

I’ve seen Johnson, Queen, Maluach, even Fears & Knueppel in the top 4 from credible analysts. I’ve also seen those same guys mocked in the 11-20 area from equally credible analysts. The draft is deep but has below average value in the 3-5 range.

It’s not me saying it, just a report I happen to agree with.