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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1401 » by canman1971 » Tue May 13, 2025 9:26 pm

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Darthlukey wrote:Well, next season is going to suck from a contention perspective. But the silver lining is that it opens up so many more possibilities - do we try as hard as we can without out main man, do we dump salary and save tax and hope to rebound the following season or do we tank the **** out the season and try to reload in the lottery? I highly doubt we take the tanking route, but it is an option

Good question. There is no silver lining in this one, but the question is, does it give new ownership an "out" to shed a bunch of salary and use it as a reset until JT returns. I mean, it might make Stevens' job slightly "easier" if they don't feel they can contend next year.

Silver lining probably not the right term, but i'm looking for anything I can spin as positive! Agree with the above though about shedding salary and GMBS having an "easier" time doing it

Oh, please know my silver lining comment had no connection to yours. I didn't even realize it until I saw this :lol:
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1402 » by Darthlukey » Tue May 13, 2025 9:29 pm

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canman1971 wrote:Good question. There is no silver lining in this one, but the question is, does it give new ownership an "out" to shed a bunch of salary and use it as a reset until JT returns. I mean, it might make Stevens' job slightly "easier" if they don't feel they can contend next year.

Silver lining probably not the right term, but i'm looking for anything I can spin as positive! Agree with the above though about shedding salary and GMBS having an "easier" time doing it

Oh, please know my silver lining comment had no connection to yours. I didn't even realize it until I saw this :lol:

Lol, the emotional devastation has taken its toll on all of us!
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1403 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue May 13, 2025 9:33 pm

Darthlukey wrote:Well, next season is going to suck from a contention perspective. But the silver lining is that it opens up so many more possibilities - do we try as hard as we can without out main man, do we dump salary and save tax and hope to rebound the following season or do we tank the **** out the season and try to reload in the lottery? I highly doubt we take the tanking route, but it is an option

Asked what he'd say to fans who want Boston to tank for a better pick in what's expected to be a loaded 2014 draft class, Stevens said, "I don't think they'll like me all that much, then. I'm one of those guys, I'm going to prepare every single day to be the best that we can be."
https://www.espn.com/boston/story/_/id/9483622/brad-stevens-hits-ground-running-boston-celtics-coach
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1404 » by Darthlukey » Tue May 13, 2025 9:34 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:Well, next season is going to suck from a contention perspective. But the silver lining is that it opens up so many more possibilities - do we try as hard as we can without out main man, do we dump salary and save tax and hope to rebound the following season or do we tank the **** out the season and try to reload in the lottery? I highly doubt we take the tanking route, but it is an option

Asked what he'd say to fans who want Boston to tank for a better pick in what's expected to be a loaded 2014 draft class, Stevens said, "I don't think they'll like me all that much, then. I'm one of those guys, I'm going to prepare every single day to be the best that we can be."
https://www.espn.com/boston/story/_/id/9483622/brad-stevens-hits-ground-running-boston-celtics-coach

That is exactly what came to mind when I wrote my post, I remember that quote well.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1405 » by SuperDeluxe » Tue May 13, 2025 9:36 pm

canman1971 wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:Well, next season is going to suck from a contention perspective. But the silver lining is that it opens up so many more possibilities - do we try as hard as we can without out main man, do we dump salary and save tax and hope to rebound the following season or do we tank the **** out the season and try to reload in the lottery? I highly doubt we take the tanking route, but it is an option

Good question. There is no silver lining in this one, but the question is, does it give new ownership an "out" to shed a bunch of salary and use it as a reset until JT returns. I mean, it might make Stevens' job slightly "easier" if they don't feel they can contend next year.

This was my first thought too, and frankly that'd be 100% understandable. Unless they trade Derrick White, in which case I'll be a one-man riot.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1406 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Tue May 13, 2025 10:02 pm

31to6 wrote:
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Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:Win 11 more games this season for JT.


That's a tall order with your best player gone, 2nd best a physical player who for now has lost his physicality, 3rd best playing as a shell of himself just a few minutes a game due to sickness, and another of your top 8 out as well.

They're about as beat up as the teams the C's won over to get their championship last year.


Funny thing is though the Celtics could still kick NYK's ass tomorrow night and it wouldn't be that surprising.
Jrue/White/90% JB/Al/50% KP
with Pritchard and Luke and no one else off the bench
or go small with Jrue/Pritch/White/JB/Al and the dynamic duo of KP and Luke as your only subs
If Al had an extra day of rest I'd talk myself into believing that kicking the Knicks' ass is exactly what will happen

I mean, let’s not ignore the fact I was kinda joking (despite thinking it should be their mentality).

But you’re forgetting Joe will be forced to play Rico, the next MVP. He will tear a new one through the remainder of the games.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1407 » by meatball sub » Tue May 13, 2025 10:13 pm

Blowing it up and doing a full reset honestly isn’t the worst option. Jrue & White still have a ton of value, especially D White. KP is an expiring contract so there are teams that would potentially take a flyer on him for one season.

The real question is do you move JB and really just completely reset around Tatum when he comes back in 2026-27.

Even if we keep Brown and just become a a fringe playoff team we’re at least resetting the cap & giving our young guys a chance to develop for an entire year and seeing if they can become the next wave of role players to build around JT & JB
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1408 » by lon3lytoaster » Tue May 13, 2025 10:27 pm

meatball sub wrote:Blowing it up and doing a full reset honestly isn’t the worst option. Jrue & White still have a ton of value, especially D White. KP is an expiring contract so there are teams that would potentially take a flyer on him for one season.

The real question is do you move JB and really just completely reset around Tatum when he comes back in 2026-27.

Even if we keep Brown and just become a a fringe playoff team we’re at least resetting the cap & giving our young guys a chance to develop for an entire year and seeing if they can become the next wave of role players to build around JT & JB


Yeah, I think you try to move off that Jaylen contract at this point. He’s peaked as a player and if you hold on that extra year and he has another down year you’re going to be stuck with it. With no swan song likely for this group at this point think it just makes sense to collect near term assets and see if you can get Tatum back to 100% and go from there.

Jrue and Al are likely gone via trade and retirement. Possibly Hauser as well. Not sure there a market for KP but the best thing long term is to try and get a viable future replacement big.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1409 » by 165bows » Tue May 13, 2025 10:34 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:Well, next season is going to suck from a contention perspective. But the silver lining is that it opens up so many more possibilities - do we try as hard as we can without out main man, do we dump salary and save tax and hope to rebound the following season or do we tank the **** out the season and try to reload in the lottery? I highly doubt we take the tanking route, but it is an option

Asked what he'd say to fans who want Boston to tank for a better pick in what's expected to be a loaded 2014 draft class, Stevens said, "I don't think they'll like me all that much, then. I'm one of those guys, I'm going to prepare every single day to be the best that we can be."
https://www.espn.com/boston/story/_/id/9483622/brad-stevens-hits-ground-running-boston-celtics-coach

I was totally on board with what they did then (and it paid off with the title) when there were lots of people who wanted Process level tanking or close to it.

That said they were a bottom five team in 2014 tho.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1410 » by 165bows » Tue May 13, 2025 10:48 pm

If there is any tear down it's keeping Tatum, White and PP and targeting Joker over the next 1-2 years.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1411 » by Riverwalk2021 » Tue May 13, 2025 11:01 pm

Ugh what a disaster...and it happened just like that. Feel so bad for Tatum who is such a nice guy and great ambassodor for the league. The NBA will miss him a lot. Horrible for the Celtics fanbase who deserve better.

Hard to see Brown traded at least next season given his longevity in Boston, massive contract, and he will by himself make the Celtics viable at least in terms of the general NBA media/markets. There is a world where he levels up given his elevation the #1 option. You have to be concerned about the mounting injuries and total relliance on athleticism. You probably should at least gauge value. I do feel teams struggling for relevancy would be interested. I mean look at the Wizards, they end up with what pick in the draft after tanking lol...Can't count on tanking anymore to get better. Houston. Atlanta > Trae for JB does make some sense (equal value guys who might benefit from a change of scenary). I expect him back though.

Jrue still has some value imo althugh you can see the decline. You definitely try to move him for a younger piece that has upside but might need a new team to flourish. I think several teams will be interested.

This guts me personally because I love White and what he brings to the team (on and off). A perfect complimentary piece next to a ball dominant superstar. does everything well and covers a lot of the holes that most casuals can't see (plays in the margins). However, you have to see what you can get for him on the open contenders market which would be massive for teams who feel they are one piece away. He's on a very good contract and in his prime (wrong side of 30) and has gotten better every season in Boston. A team like OKC or HOU (Udoka) would give up a ton if they whiff on Giannis, KD, etc... List every team that thinks they are a contender and they would be interested (Lakers, Nuggets, back to SA). He fits and could start anywhere.

KP is gone. It's just a matter of dumping his salary. Will some team actually see him as an asset and give us something positive? I doubt it and honestly think he should retire at this point for his own sake. I get players are injury prone but at the end of the season he was balling and supposedly in the best shape of his life. Then all of sudden once the po's start and the physcality goes up, he looks like Shawn Bradley. Perhaps he's sick, likely a combination of illness and being one of the softest players in nba history. Those 4th quarter sequences of him bricking point blank layups and fts with the game in the balance last night was the difference imo. He killed our momentum in all of our losses this post season. In any event, his failure to be a reliable third option this season put extra strain on AL and everybody else and probably lead to a lot of their issues. Nice guy but I hope tomorrow is his last game with the Celtics.

Pritchard is a keeper. Great contract, improving. He will start and get a lot better and he makes the most sense to stay given his age and upside.

Poor Al. What a warrior. Don't see any reason he's back unless he just wants to finish his career here but can't blame him if he ring chases.

Hauser is a specialist who is going to be overpaid next season. I was high on him last year but can't see any more upside especially on what's left here. I would definitely move him.

As for Joe, I think Tatum's injury actually may have saved his job because there are no really expectations for next season. We will find out if he can actually coach without a loaded roster.

The rest who really cares. The Jordan Walsh era is really about to begin. Somebody shoot me :lol:
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1412 » by London2Boston » Tue May 13, 2025 11:06 pm

To those on tanking mindset. Have you seen how bad the East is down there? You would need to gut this team so so bad to reach those levels that it would reach levels of JT thinking why the hell he even trying to recover :lol:
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1413 » by Riverwalk2021 » Tue May 13, 2025 11:11 pm

165bows wrote:If there is any tear down it's keeping Tatum, White and PP and targeting Joker over the next 1-2 years.


I am having a hard time keeping White on this team giving his current value and age next season unless you make a move to improve your roster or at least the fit. Brown for Trae makes sense because you need ball handling so much now with Tatum on the shelf. both might do well with a change of scenary/equal value. Then you use KP, Jrue, Hauser, picks to rebuild your front court with atheltes (Kuminga-mold). Has upside but it's clear he needs a new team and chanches to thrive.

Trae, White, Kuminga, ?, ?
Bench: PP, Al

nevemind...just trade white and keep JB and shoot me :lol:
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1414 » by hugepatsfan » Tue May 13, 2025 11:16 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:Well, next season is going to suck from a contention perspective. But the silver lining is that it opens up so many more possibilities - do we try as hard as we can without out main man, do we dump salary and save tax and hope to rebound the following season or do we tank the **** out the season and try to reload in the lottery? I highly doubt we take the tanking route, but it is an option

Asked what he'd say to fans who want Boston to tank for a better pick in what's expected to be a loaded 2014 draft class, Stevens said, "I don't think they'll like me all that much, then. I'm one of those guys, I'm going to prepare every single day to be the best that we can be."
https://www.espn.com/boston/story/_/id/9483622/brad-stevens-hits-ground-running-boston-celtics-coach


Context is key there. He was the coach, not the GM. That was his first year. Look at the roster he agreed to come coach that had just traded away all of its good players basically and continued to do so throughout the year. Obviously he understood from the roster management standpoint what was going on. GMing to tank is different than COACHING to tank.

I could very well see Brad sell off a bunch of players but he'd still expect Mazzulla to coach them hard, build good habits, and make decisions in the interest of winning games.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1415 » by darrendaye » Tue May 13, 2025 11:28 pm

165bows wrote:If there is any tear down it's keeping Tatum, White and PP and targeting Joker over the next 1-2 years.


Can't tell you now much I'd love that direction. Definitely want to keep White. I do think they should break it down a bit in the offseason, even if it isn't tear down. Before the injury I could see a full 3 year all out window, but, a shift makes more sense now.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1416 » by Darthlukey » Tue May 13, 2025 11:37 pm

Riverwalk2021 wrote:
165bows wrote:If there is any tear down it's keeping Tatum, White and PP and targeting Joker over the next 1-2 years.


I am having a hard time keeping White on this team giving his current value and age next season unless you make a move to improve your roster or at least the fit. Brown for Trae makes sense because you need ball handling so much now with Tatum on the shelf. both might do well with a change of scenary/equal value. Then you use KP, Jrue, Hauser, picks to rebuild your front court with atheltes (Kuminga-mold). Has upside but it's clear he needs a new team and chanches to thrive.

Trae, White, Kuminga, ?, ?
Bench: PP, Al

nevemind...just trade white and keep JB and shoot me :lol:

The thought of Trae gives me kemba/Kyrie flashbacks - having our defence busted apart, play after play, by having small PGs hunted in every game in the playoffs. What made last years team special is that every player could play defence+ and fit a need on offence. Trading for a small score first point guard (a very good one admittedly) completely changes the way the hole team functions
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1417 » by Darthlukey » Tue May 13, 2025 11:40 pm

London2Boston wrote:To those on tanking mindset. Have you seen how bad the East is down there? You would need to gut this team so so bad to reach those levels that it would reach levels of JT thinking why the hell he even trying to recover :lol:

Tanking doesnt necessarily mean striving to bottom out. But perhaps prioritizing moving aging players on bad contracts or accumulating talent in a year when we wont be contending, so writing off a few regular season wins doesnt matter
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#1418 » by darrendaye » Tue May 13, 2025 11:46 pm

Darthlukey wrote:
Riverwalk2021 wrote:
165bows wrote:If there is any tear down it's keeping Tatum, White and PP and targeting Joker over the next 1-2 years.


I am having a hard time keeping White on this team giving his current value and age next season unless you make a move to improve your roster or at least the fit. Brown for Trae makes sense because you need ball handling so much now with Tatum on the shelf. both might do well with a change of scenary/equal value. Then you use KP, Jrue, Hauser, picks to rebuild your front court with atheltes (Kuminga-mold). Has upside but it's clear he needs a new team and chanches to thrive.

Trae, White, Kuminga, ?, ?
Bench: PP, Al

nevemind...just trade white and keep JB and shoot me :lol:

The thought of Trae gives me kemba/Kyrie flashbacks - having our defence busted apart, play after play, by having small PGs hunted in every game in the playoffs. What made last years team special is that every player could play defence+ and fit a need on offence. Trading for a small score first point guard (a very good one admittedly) completely changes the way the hole team functions


Yeah, definitely redirect Trae.
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Post#1419 » by Fierce1 » Tue May 13, 2025 11:53 pm

No to Trae.

It screws up the defense.
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Post#1420 » by leper-con » Wed May 14, 2025 12:02 am

Id be happy to trade for the number 2 pick and maybe get high pick next year as well and boom ,right back in business once Tatums back.

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