Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V2.0

[mdenny]

this may be a knicks championship timeline. some folks get lucky in the lottery...knicks got lucky with brunson. certifiable killer.

Shot making talent is just so important in the playoffs.

Ingram has that type of special shot making ability that can shine in the Playoffs if he's able to put it together and most importantly stay healthy.

Not to beat a dead horse but this is why I’m not sure why so many people are high on players like fvv. At some point your best players have to be able to make shots when the defenses tighten up. It’s why we struggled so much during the demar/lowry era and why we struggled in the bubble post kawhi. If siakam isn’t complete ass in the bubble, we probably go to the finals again that year even without kawhi.

The playoffs is all about if you have elite enough offense to beat good defense. Look at the pacers right now, and the warriors with curry. Obviously defense is important too, but the raptors don’t win the championship without kawhis monster playoff run.

Lol yah Boogie. Just like when games tighten up you gotta protect the rim. I never understood why ppl think highly of norm powell. When it's time to protect the rim and get rebounds....he just doesn't come through lol.

Fred is not a shot creator.

[Son Goku 25]

I don't think bos will be lottery bound next season. They are too talented even without Tatum. I didn't check their cap and FA situation but that team will still be top 4 imo.

Knicks will be top team in East if they stay healthy and Pacers will also get better with a trade. I think we should try to see what our chances are, our guys need playoff exp and there are no super teams so this is the chance to go hard in the east.

[MiamiSPX]

What does Boston do next year? They likely were going to make some moves anyways but If Tatum is out for next year, pretty difficult to see ownership being above the 2nd apron for a team that can't win a championship.

Apparently they were going to break up the team even if they repeated. The Jays will still only be 28 and 27, respectively, when next season starts. So I am guessing it will be some sort of soft reset around them. Problem is that Jrue is not looking tradable these days. Still too many years left on that contract. Porzingis might be tradeable, with only 1 season left, if the trading partner is fine getting only 45 games from him. Their best trade chip is White.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Curry, Mitchell and now Tatum.

[Lord_Zedd]

I don't think bos will be lottery bound next season. They are too talented even without Tatum. I didn't check their cap and FA situation but that team will still be top 4 imo.

Knicks will be top team in East if they stay healthy and Pacers will also get better with a trade. I think we should try to see what our chances are, our guys need playoff exp and there are no super teams so this is the chance to go hard in the east.

BOS going to foot a +$500 million dollar payroll next season. There were rumblings of them dumping some bloated contracts even before the Tatum injury. They're not footing that bill if they're not contending for a chip

Also, can pretty much guarantee BOS will get a top 3 pick next year. Especially with this recent trend the NBA does its "lottery"

[PushDaRock]

What does Boston do next year? They likely were going to make some moves anyways but If Tatum is out for next year, pretty difficult to see ownership being above the 2nd apron for a team that can't win a championship.

Apparently they were going to break up the team even if they repeated. The Jays will still only be 28 and 27, respectively, when next season starts. So I am guessing it will be some sort of soft reset around them. Problem is that Jrue is not looking tradable these days. Still too many years left on that contract. Porzingis might be tradeable, with only 1 season left, if the trading partner is fine getting only 45 games from him. Their best trade chip is White.

I think both are tradeable but the question is for what? They're trying to dump salary so they need a trade partner with either cap space to absorb or exceptions to take some of the money on. Those teams aren't usually in the market for a highly paid vet without some incentive to take the contract on, so I think it's likely it would need to be a multi-team deal to get everyone what they want.

[WaltFrazier]

between this and the lottery, that next simmons pod is gonna be an all-timer

Watch on YouTube

Screw Simmons and his whining

Actually, just listening now, at about 13 minutes the guy on the right, House I think, goes on a great rant about all the "miracles" in the draft lottery over the years. The league is so rigged.

[WaltFrazier]

What does Boston do next year? They likely were going to make some moves anyways but If Tatum is out for next year, pretty difficult to see ownership being above the 2nd apron for a team that can't win a championship.

Apparently they were going to break up the team even if they repeated. The Jays will still only be 28 and 27, respectively, when next season starts. So I am guessing it will be some sort of soft reset around them. Problem is that Jrue is not looking tradable these days. Still too many years left on that contract. Porzingis might be tradeable, with only 1 season left, if the trading partner is fine getting only 45 games from him. Their best trade chip is White.

https://www.theringer.com/2025/05/13/nba/jayson-tatum-injury-boston-celtics-new-york-knicks-nba-playoffs-2025

[sidsid]

Only positive I can take from this night is that the east is wide open for anyone next year. With Tatum injury now and the Cavs imploding. Raptors can compete next year. Honestly the east looks very bad right now. Even these playoffs don’t see the Knicks or pacers beating Denver or Okc in a finals matchup.

The path for a pretender in the east is more open than ever, but what it's really looking like is a return of the AI/Carter/Pierce/Allen early-aughts east (and the Kidd Nets) before LeBron arrived. Just a fake team earning the privilege of getting pasted by the Lakers/Spurs of their era. It's just more fools gold.

[littlerock2277]

Only positive I can take from this night is that the east is wide open for anyone next year. With Tatum injury now and the Cavs imploding. Raptors can compete next year. Honestly the east looks very bad right now. Even these playoffs don’t see the Knicks or pacers beating Denver or Okc in a finals matchup.

The path for a pretender in the east is more open than ever, but what it's really looking like is a return of the AI/Carter/Pierce/Allen early-aughts east (and the Kidd Nets) before LeBron arrived. Just a fake team earning the privilege of getting pasted by the Lakers/Spurs of their era. It's just more fools gold.

Totally agree with that but I would rather enjoy some playoff basketball than what I just experienced yesterday with that draft lottery. Clearly this lottery system format doesn’t favour tanking or losing teams. At least now some hope can arise with a relatively weaker eastern conference. Winning more just builds value on our current assets.

[mdenny]

Woj bomb! Mavs trade first overall pick to Lakers for rights to lebron james' player option.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[MiamiSPX]

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Devastating. I hate the Cs as much as any self-respecting Raps fan (and think he's kind of overrated) but he is one of the NBA's good guys. I love his views on load management and always being available to play. Hope he makes a full recovery.

[Mattatron]

I don't think bos will be lottery bound next season. They are too talented even without Tatum. I didn't check their cap and FA situation but that team will still be top 4 imo.

Knicks will be top team in East if they stay healthy and Pacers will also get better with a trade. I think we should try to see what our chances are, our guys need playoff exp and there are no super teams so this is the chance to go hard in the east.

The Team is too expensive, they will probably looking for a trade to get rid 2 of thei starters (Jrue, Kris, Brown???? are definitely candidates), they can't afford it anymore. With tatum probably out for the whole season, they will be lottery bound or play in bound, depends on how the roster will look.

[Mattatron]

Only positive I can take from this night is that the east is wide open for anyone next year. With Tatum injury now and the Cavs imploding. Raptors can compete next year. Honestly the east looks very bad right now. Even these playoffs don’t see the Knicks or pacers beating Denver or Okc in a finals matchup.

Delusional Raptors Stan detected

[ForeverTFC]

I don't think bos will be lottery bound next season. They are too talented even without Tatum. I didn't check their cap and FA situation but that team will still be top 4 imo.

Knicks will be top team in East if they stay healthy and Pacers will also get better with a trade. I think we should try to see what our chances are, our guys need playoff exp and there are no super teams so this is the chance to go hard in the east.

You should look at their projected tax bill. Even without Tatum, rumor was that they were going to move off of Jrue and Porzingis for cap relief. Let's say they can do that without giving up assets (hard to see), their team is: White, Brown, Pritchard, the corpse of Al Horford, Kornet, Hauser and Schereiman. That's not a top 4 team in the East.

[JB7]

I don't think bos will be lottery bound next season. They are too talented even without Tatum. I didn't check their cap and FA situation but that team will still be top 4 imo.

Knicks will be top team in East if they stay healthy and Pacers will also get better with a trade. I think we should try to see what our chances are, our guys need playoff exp and there are no super teams so this is the chance to go hard in the east.

You should look at their projected tax bill. Even without Tatum, rumor was that they were going to move off of Jrue and Porzingis for cap relief. Let's say they can do that without giving up assets (hard to see), their team is: White, Brown, Pritchard, the corpse of Al Horford, Kornet, Hauser and Schereiman. That's not a top 4 team in the East.

Horrible news for Tatum. Next year is a write off for the Celtics. They need to tank and try to reset around Tatum and Brown. Need to move off their other talent and see what assets they can get, and get off some salary.

[JB7]

between this and the lottery, that next simmons pod is gonna be an all-timer

Watch on YouTube

Screw Simmons and his whining

Actually, just listening now, at about 13 minutes the guy on the right, House I think, goes on a great rant about all the "miracles" in the draft lottery over the years. The league is so rigged.

House had a funny line. Along the lines of the Mavs drafting Dirk, then Luka, and now Flagg, can they consider Flagg the 'white fit'.

It was a good listen for those who believe these drafts are fixed. They bring up a lot of recent examples, of the lottery gods favouring teams that lose stars to bigger markets.

[Brinbe]

hali been having a crazy good series

[SFour]

Only positive I can take from this night is that the east is wide open for anyone next year. With Tatum injury now and the Cavs imploding. Raptors can compete next year. Honestly the east looks very bad right now. Even these playoffs don’t see the Knicks or pacers beating Denver or Okc in a finals matchup.

Delusional Raptors Stan detected

I remember when it was delusional to say the Raptors could beat the Bucks in 2019