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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#41 » by vvoland » Tue May 13, 2025 6:12 pm

I'd love to see Finch a deeper team but missing Ant and Randle on one ass-cheek.

You think starting Pat Spencer is the key to getting wins in this series? We've really jumped the shark.
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Post#42 » by TB » Tue May 13, 2025 6:23 pm

Kerr made some serious head-scratching decisions… but ultimately our season is ending mostly because:

- Steph got hurt

- our guards have been terrible outside of Buddy shooting the 3 well… like seriously all-time bad TS% and playmaking between Podz, Buddy, Moody, Gary, etc

- We are just a bad shooting team when we are playing our best defensive players.

Honestly, its ending for the exact reasons alot of us have said are the weaknesses of this team all season: best players are old and injury prone, we cant shoot, and we don't have a backup lead guard. Those have been our 3 biggest issues this series and all season. Still a good team that had a chance if the stars align… but the things that needed to happen (health, podz/moody/etc playing well) just haven’t happened.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#43 » by vvoland » Tue May 13, 2025 6:33 pm

TB wrote:Kerr made some serious head-scratching decisions… but ultimately our season is ending mostly because:

- Steph got hurt

- our guards have been terrible outside of Buddy shooting the 3 well… like seriously all-time bad TS% and playmaking between Podz, Buddy, Moody, Gary, etc

- We are just a bad shooting team when we are playing our best defensive players.

Honestly, its ending for the exact reasons alot of us have said are the weaknesses of this team all season: best players are old and injury prone, we cant shoot, and we don't have a backup lead guard. Those have been our 3 biggest issues this series and all season. Still a good team that had a chance if the stars align… but the things that needed to happen (health, podz/moody/etc playing well) just haven’t happened.


There are decisions in every game I question (e.g. starting TJD last night, in both halves). We're screwed because Jimmy was undercut and hurt his hip/ass. With a healthy Jimmy we beat the rockets in 5 or 6, Steph gets plenty of rest, doesn't pull the hammy, and we're resting up waiting for the winner of OKC/Den in the WCF. Even if Steph still pulled the hammy, a healthy Jimmy gets us past Minny. Injuries that compromise the two best players, on any team, will tank our chances. I still think we have a shot to get it to game 6 and, if Steph is healthy, we can still win in 7. I wouldn't bet on it but this isn't some fatal flaw, just a confluence of bad luck. We lost the '19 finals in much the same way but those injuries were catastrophic so they were easier to blame for the failure.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#44 » by Upperclass » Tue May 13, 2025 7:07 pm

Kerr tanked the series so Curry wouldnt have to field questions about the possiblity of him returning.

Once he went down, they were never winning the series. All you need to do is look towards game 2 when they got it to within 7.. yet benched everyone right after to extend the lead to 18. Kuminga is his best scorer, but starts the game on the bench to spot the Wolves a lead etc etc.
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Post#45 » by Impuniti » Tue May 13, 2025 8:08 pm

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Impuniti wrote:Steve has made some mistakes but this isn't on him. He set his team to win game 3, which was the game to win. Outside of Jimmy, JK, and to a much lesser extent Buddy, every single player was terrible.

Every. single. player.

He also punt a G2 for no reason. If the tryout game is to promote TJD then that move just lost us the series

When Kerr has favorites, it's honestly disgusting to watch him coach. GPII is a terrible player and the fact he's gotten so many minutes is disgusting.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#46 » by Impuniti » Tue May 13, 2025 8:09 pm

Upperclass wrote:Kerr tanked the series so Curry wouldnt have to field questions about the possiblity of him returning.

Once he went down, they were never winning the series. All you need to do is look towards game 2 when they got it to within 7.. yet benched everyone right after to extend the lead to 18. Kumina is hsi best scorer, but starts the game on the bench to spot the Wolves a lead etc etc.

I think that has more to do with the fact that Kerr is objectively a TERRIBLE in game coach. He has his set before the game, and he almost never changes it regardless of what's happening on the floor. Low to non-existant flexibility.

Best game to game manager in a series though.
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Post#47 » by Upperclass » Tue May 13, 2025 8:32 pm

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Upperclass wrote:Kerr tanked the series so Curry wouldnt have to field questions about the possiblity of him returning.

Once he went down, they were never winning the series. All you need to do is look towards game 2 when they got it to within 7.. yet benched everyone right after to extend the lead to 18. Kuminga is his best scorer, but starts the game on the bench to spot the Wolves a lead etc etc.


I think that has more to do with the fact that Kerr is objectively a TERRIBLE in game coach. He has his set before the game, and he almost never changes it regardless of what's happening on the floor. Low to non-existant flexibility.

Best game to game manager in a series though.


Kerr has 4 Championships and a 5th finals visit. He's one of the best in game coaches in the NBA if not the best.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#48 » by WarriorGM » Tue May 13, 2025 8:40 pm

vvoland wrote:I'd love to see Finch a deeper team but missing Ant and Randle on one ass-cheek.

You think starting Pat Spencer is the key to getting wins in this series? We've really jumped the shark.


It would put my mind at ease to see a good faith effort from the team to start Spencer without him being sabotaged from the get go and then see it not be enough. Despite all the protestation here that the team doesn't have a backup point guard and Kerr contorting himself to avoid the fact, Spencer is the backup point guard. If he fails, he fails and the team never had a shot. But as it currently stands Kerr set him up to fail.

Jump the shark? TJD started twice in this series and Kerr kept coming back to him. We've jumped the shark already.

Upperclass wrote:Kerr has 4 Championships and a 5th finals visit. He's one of the best in game coaches in the NBA if not the best.


Getting swept without Curry would tell me he's not.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#49 » by Coxy » Tue May 13, 2025 9:00 pm

Haha wow, outcoached?

We won a great game 1, then Steph got hurt. That's the series.

Outcoached my ass.
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Post#50 » by Outside » Tue May 13, 2025 9:09 pm

Horrible ass takes like this are why I avoid this board most of the season. Unbelievable.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#51 » by Upperclass » Tue May 13, 2025 9:40 pm

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vvoland wrote:I'd love to see Finch a deeper team but missing Ant and Randle on one ass-cheek.

You think starting Pat Spencer is the key to getting wins in this series? We've really jumped the shark.


It would put my mind at ease to see a good faith effort from the team to start Spencer without him being sabotaged from the get go and then see it not be enough. Despite all the protestation here that the team doesn't have a backup point guard and Kerr contorting himself to avoid the fact, Spencer is the backup point guard. If he fails, he fails and the team never had a shot. But as it currently stands Kerr set him up to fail.

Jump the shark? TJD started twice in this series and Kerr kept coming back to him. We've jumped the shark already.

Upperclass wrote:Kerr has 4 Championships and a 5th finals visit. He's one of the best in game coaches in the NBA if not the best.


Getting swept without Curry would tell me he's not.


The game was close when he went out game 1..
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Post#52 » by vvoland » Tue May 13, 2025 10:02 pm

Kerr's reputation, for years, was as a coach that made brilliant changes at halftime that resulted in us having the best 3rd quarter differential in the league. These kneejerk reactions because we lost Steph and have a gimpy Butler are more indicative of how fans feel about a realistic chance at title #5 slipping through our fingers than anything else.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#53 » by cpower » Tue May 13, 2025 11:22 pm

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Impuniti wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Kerr tanked the series so Curry wouldnt have to field questions about the possiblity of him returning.

Once he went down, they were never winning the series. All you need to do is look towards game 2 when they got it to within 7.. yet benched everyone right after to extend the lead to 18. Kuminga is his best scorer, but starts the game on the bench to spot the Wolves a lead etc etc.


I think that has more to do with the fact that Kerr is objectively a TERRIBLE in game coach. He has his set before the game, and he almost never changes it regardless of what's happening on the floor. Low to non-existant flexibility.

Best game to game manager in a series though.


Kerr has 4 Championships and a 5th finals visit. He's one of the best in game coaches in the NBA if not the best.

lets rewind.

3rd quarter 8:45 mark, 68 - 66 we are down by 2. JK comes in for Podz.
We are running a TJD, JK, Green Butler Buddy lineup
few moments later JK/Hield going for the same guy, Conley wide open three 74 - 68
JK late contest on ANT three, 77 - 68
bad transition D, ANT three, 80 - 68
then after the sub, GP2 late contest on Donte, 83 - 68

During this span, JK missed 3 shots and had 1 TO and played 3 bad defensive possessions and we are down 15 from 2. NOT saying this is just on JK but i dont think Kerr has put us in a position to be successful. The TJD JK Green Butler lineup is a disaster and everyone knows it would not work. But Kerr went for it anyway
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Post#54 » by Ilovethebay » Tue May 13, 2025 11:31 pm

cpower wrote:
Upperclass wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
I think that has more to do with the fact that Kerr is objectively a TERRIBLE in game coach. He has his set before the game, and he almost never changes it regardless of what's happening on the floor. Low to non-existant flexibility.

Best game to game manager in a series though.


Kerr has 4 Championships and a 5th finals visit. He's one of the best in game coaches in the NBA if not the best.

lets rewind.

3rd quarter 8:45 mark, 68 - 66 we are down by 2. JK comes in for Podz.
We are running a TJD, JK, Green Butler Buddy lineup
few moments later JK/Hield going for the same guy, Conley wide open three 74 - 68
JK late contest on ANT three, 77 - 68
bad transition D, ANT three, 80 - 68
then after the sub, GP2 late contest on Donte, 83 - 68

During this span, JK missed 3 shots and had 1 TO and played 3 bad defensive possessions and we are down 15 from 2. NOT saying this is just on JK but i dont think Kerr has put us in a position to be successful. The TJD JK Green Butler lineup is a disaster and everyone knows it would not work. But Kerr went for it anyway

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Post#55 » by jozef » Tue May 13, 2025 11:35 pm

few moments later JK/Hield going for the same guy, Conley wide open three 74 - 68

If I remember it correctly Dray stayed deep in the lane so Conley took the chance
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#56 » by vvoland » Tue May 13, 2025 11:35 pm

cpower wrote:
Upperclass wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
I think that has more to do with the fact that Kerr is objectively a TERRIBLE in game coach. He has his set before the game, and he almost never changes it regardless of what's happening on the floor. Low to non-existant flexibility.

Best game to game manager in a series though.


Kerr has 4 Championships and a 5th finals visit. He's one of the best in game coaches in the NBA if not the best.

lets rewind.

3rd quarter 8:45 mark, 68 - 66 we are down by 2. JK comes in for Podz.
We are running a TJD, JK, Green Butler Buddy
lineup
few moments later JK/Hield going for the same guy, Conley wide open three 74 - 68
JK late contest on ANT three, 77 - 68
bad transition D, ANT three, 80 - 68
then after the sub, GP2 late contest on Donte, 83 - 68

During this span, JK missed 3 shots and had 1 TO and played 3 bad defensive possessions and we are down 15 from 2. NOT saying this is just on JK but i dont think Kerr has put us in a position to be successful. The TJD JK Green Butler lineup is a disaster and everyone knows it would not work. But Kerr went for it anyway


I agree. Not only is that just absolutely awful in terms of spacing, I'm willing to bet they've never played even 1 minute together before have 3, if not last night.

I wouldn't put the defensive breakdowns on jk, btw. Yes, he was late to ant on that one three but I thought they were all completely lost on defense. That was something that was bound to happen in the second half of a crucial playoff game to a lineup that has never been on an NBA court.

That was the worst third quarter I've seen these playoffs from the squad. I didn't think Kerr put them in positions to succeed but I also didn't think dray or butler came with the right energy, especially coming out of halftime
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#57 » by cpower » Wed May 14, 2025 12:03 am

jozef wrote:
few moments later JK/Hield going for the same guy, Conley wide open three 74 - 68

If I remember it correctly Dray stayed deep in the lane so Conley took the chance

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Post#58 » by floppymoose » Wed May 14, 2025 12:57 am

And Sitting Bull outcoached Custer too.
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Post#59 » by DB23 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:48 am

My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too
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Post#60 » by powerball1373 » Wed May 14, 2025 2:16 am

DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too


BRO JUST START PAT SPENCER! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've seen some awful takes on this board, but that might take the cake.

We talkin' PAT SPENCER??? A g-leaguer who is probably better at lacrosse than he is at basketball (seriously) and shoots 20.8% from 3. That's the solution to fill Steph Curry's shoes! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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