Post Mortem #23 - Cleveland Cavaliers

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Select one of each option (4 total questions)

Q1) Keep Front Office
106
22%
Q1) Change Front Office (who?)
8
2%
Q2) Keep Head Coach
106
22%
Q2) Change Head Coach (who?)
7
1%
Q3) Performed better than Expected
57
12%
Q3) Performed as Expected
27
6%
Q3) Performed worse than Expected
40
8%
Q4) Improving team
72
15%
Q4) Treadmill team
43
9%
Q4) Declining team
7
1%
 
Total votes: 473

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Post Mortem #23 - Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#1 » by Clav » Wed May 14, 2025 1:46 am

At home for Game 5, the Cavaliers could not stem the tide from Indiana, and are our 23rd team eliminated.

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Time of death: May 13, 2025
Record at elimination: 64-18 (5-4 in playoffs)
Head coach: Kenny Atkinson


Contract summary:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/yearly

Garland – extension eligible, or 3yr/150M remain
Mitchell – 3yr/150M remain (final year 53M PO)
De’Andre Hunter – extension eligible, or 2yr/50M remain
Jarrett Allen – 4yr/110M remain
Mobley – projected to sign a Max level extension (5yr/224M?)
Okoro – 2yr/22M remain
Ty Jerome – UFA
Sam Merrill – UFA
Tristan Thompson – UFA

Rookie Scale/minimums (varies on 2-4 years remaining):
Dean Wade – extension eligible, or 6.6M QO
Jaylon Tyson – 3yr remain
Craig Porter Jr – 2yr remain
Javonte Green – UFA

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Emoni Bates
Nae’quan Tomlin
Luke Travers

Dead-cap – 500k off the Books this year, Rubio’s 424k for 2 more years after

Capspace – will be a 2nd apron team with Mobley’s projected extension.

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MIL 2nd
CLE 2nd

A SMALL SEASON REVIEW:
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/cle/seasontype/2

Nearly a month into the Regular Season, Cleveland hadn’t lost a game. It took an inspired Celts performance to do so, leaving the Cavs at a stellar 15-1 off the bounce. ATL and Miami snagged a few early games in there, and CLE lost a few in a row near the end of the season, but the surprise story of the EC this year was how dominant Cleveland was towards an epic 64-wins. The Cavs won more than the defending champs, and only behind OKC for the top NBA spot, sporting a +9.5 Pt Differential, second in the NBA. Most wins were by a comfortable margin.

The Cavs had not one, not two, but three win streaks of 10+ games. Really, they were levels above other teams most nights. It was hard for other teams to break the code. For much of the season the Cavs sported a top-5 defense with league-leading offense. Garland, Mobley, Mitchell, and Allen play well together and form a very well rounded core four players. That 5th wing spot has been tricky to unlock this team further.

We ultimately got to see one dominant series as the Cavs outplayed the Heat for a 4-0 sweep. I expect to see similar winning ways next season with much of the roster locked in. This was a rough last game but they showed me some incredible play and should be proud of that.

Unfortunately, some injuries crept in, much like last year, and in the second round, things have fallen apart for the Cavs. It is sad to see Mitchell have a small ankle issue which cost them a critical G4 loss - and he looked hurt in G5 even though he played tough as nails. Garland (toe), Mobley (ankle), both were out for a couple of games.

Inexplicably, the team with the best EC record bows out to Indiana (Pacers were playing great basketball though, and won 2-0 in CLE to begin the series, one of those a GW shot, so the margins were very close despite the result).

Let's mention the Levert-Niang/DeAndre Hunter trade to slot in at SF for Cleveland. Attempting to find the wing piece to elevate this team further. How did that pan out ? Seems there are still questions to be of the wing rotation here. Ty Jerome and Max Strus played decent when given chances, Jerome had a very up and down playoffs it has to be said.

Mobley has a big contract extension upcoming, but surely this team is looking towards a successful multi-year run of contention. If health rolls the right way, I still have Cleveland as a major threat to win it all. How do you rate Cleveland's season and future ? They have a couple of second rounders to use, limited future firsts after acquiring Mitchell, but would be surely dangerous with a big trade for one of the upset wing players
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Re: Post Mortem #23 - Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#2 » by zshawn10 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:46 am

So do you get rid of your core 4? Some of them? Run it back and hope you stay healthy?
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Post#3 » by Pharmcat » Wed May 14, 2025 1:48 am

zshawn10 wrote:So do you get rid of your core 4? Some of them? Run it back and hope you stay healthy?



Run it back. They were rolling and just ran out of gas the injuries must’ve been worse than they let on
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Post#4 » by Johnny Bball » Wed May 14, 2025 1:52 am

zshawn10 wrote:So do you get rid of your core 4? Some of them? Run it back and hope you stay healthy?


If you ask me, the problems start in the backcourt. Mitchell and Garland don't seem to fit ideally. They seemed to play better without Garland on the floor sometimes. Not enough ball for Mobley and those two. Cavs fans will probably call me crazy but I move on from Garland. To a PG that doesn't need the ball as much or can be a facilitator, and that can defend well on ball.
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Post#5 » by doogie_hauser » Wed May 14, 2025 1:52 am

I would put Jarrett Allan on the table and see what they could get for him tbh
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Post#6 » by Marvin Martian » Wed May 14, 2025 1:55 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
zshawn10 wrote:So do you get rid of your core 4? Some of them? Run it back and hope you stay healthy?


If you ask me, the problems start in the backcourt. Mitchell and Garland don't seem to fit ideally. They seemed to play better without Garland on the floor sometimes. Cavs fans will probably call me crazy but I move on from Garland. To a PG that doesn't need the ball as much or can be a facilitator, and that can defend well on ball.


Then when CLE loses, the narrative will be that Spida is not a true PG, so he needs help in the backcourt
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Post#7 » by nitric0 » Wed May 14, 2025 2:00 am

Mitchell led team will never go far in the postseason. He needs his Batman
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Post#8 » by FarBeyondDriven » Wed May 14, 2025 2:01 am

Keep, Keep, as expected, treadmill

The fact of the matter is, despite their regular season success, their biggest issues for years has been that they have a small backcourt and their wings don't measure up. They at least went out and got Hunter to solve the wing issue which is great. But the biggest issue of the small backcourt persists. People will hate hearing this but I think Mitchell is fed up especially after this series so it wouldn't surprise me one iota if he quietly asks for either he or Garland to be moved and in either scenario there will be no shortage of suitors. If Garland gets replaced with a defensive specialist that is a playmaker that can hit threes I think the Cavs would be the favorites to win it all. Unfortunately those don't grow on trees. If Mitchell leaves they'll need to find a dynamic scoring guard that can play defense next to Garland but their ceiling would likely be more of the same which is what it would be if they did nothing. Running it back is most likely unfortunately.
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Post#9 » by LethalRangee » Wed May 14, 2025 2:07 am

Most overrated 60+ win team in history. I just knew their offense would collapse under playoff defense.
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Post#10 » by threethehardway » Wed May 14, 2025 2:10 am

Darius Garland is never healthy. At a certain point you have to wonder if he's a soft player in general. If Mitchell is willing to die on the court, Darius needs to have the same mentality.

Mitchell is a tough as hell and if I was him, I would be tired of being on teams that require me to be Game 6 Michael Jordan night in and night out. Nobody on the Cavs rose to the occasion except for Mitchell.

The Pacers were not an overwhelming force. They were very beatable.

The Cavs couldn't hit open shots all series despite the injuries.
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Post#11 » by JXL » Wed May 14, 2025 2:12 am

They were coached really well, but trade Garland and get better guards off the bench.
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Post#12 » by Doranku » Wed May 14, 2025 2:14 am

TRADE GARLAND. Two small guards never works in the playoffs. This team isn't even close. 3 straight second round beatdowns in 5 games to 3 different teams.

Garland and Allen should be top priority for the Cavs to move. Build around Spida/Mobley.
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Post#13 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed May 14, 2025 2:14 am

LethalRangee wrote:Most overrated 60+ win team in history. I just knew their offense would collapse under playoff defense.
I wonder if injuries played any part in that?
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Post#14 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed May 14, 2025 2:16 am

Doranku wrote:TRADE GARLAND. Two small guards never works in the playoffs. This team isn't even close. 3 straight second round beatdowns in 5 games to 3 different teams.

Garland and Allen should be top priority for the Cavs to move. Build around Spida/Mobley.
Going to be next to impossible to make trades as a 2nd apron team. Have to match contracts dollar for dollar and cannot combine contracts.
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Post#15 » by NyKnicks1714 » Wed May 14, 2025 2:16 am

Not much to do but run it back, especially with Tatum out next year. People are saying they should trade Garland but even though his contract isn't that crazy I don't see a team out there giving them a valuable return for him.
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Post#16 » by knicksNOTslick » Wed May 14, 2025 2:16 am

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zshawn10 wrote:So do you get rid of your core 4? Some of them? Run it back and hope you stay healthy?


If you ask me, the problems start in the backcourt. Mitchell and Garland don't seem to fit ideally. They seemed to play better without Garland on the floor sometimes. Not enough ball for Mobley and those two. Cavs fans will probably call me crazy but I move on from Garland. To a PG that doesn't need the ball as much or can be a facilitator, and that can defend well on ball.

This was said in the Knicks series 2 playoffs ago, to break up the Mitchell-Garland backcourt because it doesn't work in the postseason. But the Cavs keep buying into their own hype because of regular season success. I don't think they will ever learn.
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Re: Post Mortem #23 - Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#17 » by boomershadow » Wed May 14, 2025 2:23 am

I'd run it back. They had an impressive year. It just didn't all come together right at the end. Like it doesn't for 29 teams.
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Post#18 » by Pantsman » Wed May 14, 2025 2:34 am

They’re in the second apron. There’s not much they can do. My advice would be to stop caring about the regular season. DG should barely play in the regular season. He’s hurt every single playoffs.
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Post#19 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed May 14, 2025 2:38 am

Trade Garland, a small brittle PG that can't really score in the halfcourt isn't going to help you win.
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Post#20 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed May 14, 2025 2:41 am

Despite a poor series from both Jerome and Merrill, I'd say they each find a team to overpay them this summer. Think Delly and Moz back in 2016.

Outside of that, Cavs are a 2nd apron team and should run it back. Pray the 5th time is a charm and maybe they finally have everyone healthy for the 2026 playoffs.

Garland/Porter Jr/Cavs 2025 2nd rounder
Mitchell/Okoro
Strus/Hunter/Tyson
Mobley/Wade/Okeke
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