The disrespect directed towards Joe needs to stop.

[phincsfan]

I would honestly give Sam the HC job next season.

Freak injuries happen, but for whatever reason Joe really decided to ride these guys to the ground.

They looked gassed starting from game two during the 3 ball fest. It's an easy decision when your legs don't want to go no more. Even White, who always looks like he can play 48 minutes looked gassed. That's on the coach.

[Patsfan1081]

It’s a players League!
Far as Coach Joe, to analytical driven. But if that’s the Organizational philosophy, he ain’t going anywhere

Is it? Honestly I don’t know however it did not seem to be under Ime or Brad. Their main focus was on defense creating offense and what we watched last night was a team that had no answers for NY in the paint and who shot themselves out of the game once again.

[colincb]

... and the best way to stop the disrespect directed towards Joe is to let him go.

With Brown injured, hampering his ability to take over when JT had an off night, and KP struggling mightily with his respiratory illness, our championship chances were slim. That we're not getting past the NYK is really on Joe, though. Just a reminder: We struggled against three inferior playoff opponents two years ago, too. Most coaching happens before the game, so I cannot speak to that, but his game management leaves much to be desired.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

It’s a players League!
Far as Coach Joe, to analytical driven. But if that’s the Organizational philosophy, he ain’t going anywhere

Is it? Honestly I don’t know however it did not seem to be under Ime or Brad. Their main focus was on defense creating offense and what we watched last night was a team that had no answers for NY in the paint and who shot themselves out of the game once again.

Because the Celtics never shot themselves out of the playoffs under Stevens or Udoka ? Y'all don't remember the time they went 7/39 for three, completely froze out their best offensive player for the last 6 minutes of the game and failed to crack 80 points in a game 7 ? Because I do.Y'all don't remember the Celtics being up with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter of the 2022 finals with the chance to go up 3-1 and proceeding to take contested threes on every. single. possession ? Because I do. When the same pattern repeats regardless of who coaches the team, it's not the coach. It's the players.

Bring back the Udoka offense :
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=598&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Brown%2026%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=606&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Tatum%2028%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=617&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Smart%2025%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=619&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Smart%2027%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=626&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Horford%2027%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=631&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Horford%2025%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot%20(8%20PTS)%20(Tatum%206%20AST)
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=648&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20White%2024%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot

[playa-hater]

To all the Joe supporters, it appears based on reading the replies, Most want Joe gone. Most do not think he is quality coach. Most would rather hire someone else. Is the majority wrong? can the few remaining Joe stans please stand up now or admit you were wrong.

[tfmiii]

Anyone defending Joe at this point also needs to be fired this offseason. This guy is a complete joke and cost us at least one additional championship.

Joe didn't help at all. But he wasn't the reason we aren't repeating, he is part of the reasons.

1. Jrue's game took a big dive this season. He was a huge factor in last year's championship drive. This year, he looked gassed and old.

2. Relying on Al has your only decent big at 38 years of age was a big issue. We knew we couldn't count on KP. It's not even a health issue as much with his as he really struggles when teams play physical with him. It was Joe's fault for lot counting on Tillman this season and only counting on Queta from time to time. Kornet is fun to watch in the regular season, but he isn't a playoff season. The rough play takes him out of his game, just it does with KP.

3. Brown. When he hurt his knee near the end of the season and when that knee didn't get better, Boston has no chance. You take a hurt Brown, an again Al and a declining Jrue in the playoffs with an ineffective KP, Boston was done.

Everything you state are good arguments as to why Celtics won't repeat... But they don't excuse the Knicks series fiasco.

I was highly critical of Joe hist first season. I warmed to him during the championship season, he made better in-game decisions - which I attributed to learning from past mistakes, having his own staff as well as a preseason, and hence a better comfort level.

But this season, when there has been more adversity and, let's face it, teams are more familiar with our system, he appears to be turtling - becoming rigid and ultraconservative.

Now I wonder if Joe's second season was the outlier. Winning a championship is never easy, but last season likely ranks among the less stressful. Brad's off-season coups gave us a decided edge talent-wise and Mazzulaball had the opportunity to fully flower. Even despite KP's playoff absence, his presence all season left Al fresh when the playoffs arrived.

TL;DR I think Joe's value as a coach declines the more adversity we face.

Joe gets rigid, and somehow even more stubborn. What happened to 'next man up'? Instead were pushing the limits of the walking wounded and aged. Increasing his answers dwindle down to 'i liked our shots' -an 'failure to execute' - implicitly signaling that he'll wait on the law of averages rather than any significant adjustments.

Playoff series are not, however, 82 games long and are therefore far more succeptible to statistical variance.

Unfortunately Joe's not alone with respect to his tendency to turtle under pressure. We've seen both JB and JT revert to some of their bad habits under pressure as well.

Our two stars are more comfortable as front runners. Our coach should be able to ameliorate those tendencies and steady the ship but it seems Joe shares that trait as well

[return2glory]

Anyone defending Joe at this point also needs to be fired this offseason. This guy is a complete joke and cost us at least one additional championship.

Joe didn't help at all. But he wasn't the reason we aren't repeating, he is part of the reasons.

1. Jrue's game took a big dive this season. He was a huge factor in last year's championship drive. This year, he looked gassed and old.

2. Relying on Al has your only decent big at 38 years of age was a big issue. We knew we couldn't count on KP. It's not even a health issue as much with his as he really struggles when teams play physical with him. It was Joe's fault for lot counting on Tillman this season and only counting on Queta from time to time. Kornet is fun to watch in the regular season, but he isn't a playoff season. The rough play takes him out of his game, just it does with KP.

3. Brown. When he hurt his knee near the end of the season and when that knee didn't get better, Boston has no chance. You take a hurt Brown, an again Al and a declining Jrue in the playoffs with an ineffective KP, Boston was done.

Everything you state are good arguments as to why Celtics won't repeat... But they don't excuse the Knicks series fiasco.

I was highly critical of Joe hist first season. I warmed to him during the championship season, he made better in-game decisions - which I attributed to learning from past mistakes, having his own staff as well as a preseason, and hence a better comfort level.

But this season, when there has been more adversity and, let's face it, teams are more familiar with our system, he appears to be turtling - becoming rigid and ultraconservative.

Now I wonder if Joe's second season was the outlier. Winning a championship is never easy, but last season likely ranks among the less stressful. Brad's off-season coups gave us a decided edge talent-wise and Mazzulaball had the opportunity to fully flower. Even despite KP's playoff absence, his presence all season left Al fresh when the playoffs arrived.

TL;DR I think Joe's value as a coach declines the more adversity we face.

Joe gets rigid, and somehow even more stubborn. What happened to 'next man up'? Instead were pushing the limits of the walking wounded and aged. Increasing his answers dwindle down to 'i liked our shots' -an 'failure to execute' - implicitly signaling that he'll wait on the law of averages rather than any significant adjustments.

Playoff series are not, however, 82 games long and are therefore far more succeptible to statistical variance.

Unfortunately Joe's not alone with respect to his tendency to turtle under pressure. We've seen both JB and JT revert to some of their bad habits under pressure as well.

Our two stars are more comfortable as front runners. Our coach should be able to ameliorate those tendencies and steady the ship but it seems Joe shares that trait as well

I'm not defending Joe by any means. This series was one of the worst if not the worst coaching jobs in the playoffs in Celtic history. We gave up 2 20 point leads in the 2nd half, at home. We also gave up a 15 point 2nd half lead in game 4.

As far as the next man up mentality, that was only when a player or two were out due to rest and/or injury. Joe is a terrible in game adjustment coach. He sticks to his same rotation and plays the key guys heavy minutes. There is no development of players with the guy (no one say Kornet).

That being said, I'm not going to fully blame Joe for this series loss. He is a big factor. But Brown's injury heading into the series was big. KP's ineffectiveness vs the Magic was a big telling sign. Same with Jrue.

[lon3lytoaster]

Joe didn't help at all. But he wasn't the reason we aren't repeating, he is part of the reasons.

1. Jrue's game took a big dive this season. He was a huge factor in last year's championship drive. This year, he looked gassed and old.

2. Relying on Al has your only decent big at 38 years of age was a big issue. We knew we couldn't count on KP. It's not even a health issue as much with his as he really struggles when teams play physical with him. It was Joe's fault for lot counting on Tillman this season and only counting on Queta from time to time. Kornet is fun to watch in the regular season, but he isn't a playoff season. The rough play takes him out of his game, just it does with KP.

3. Brown. When he hurt his knee near the end of the season and when that knee didn't get better, Boston has no chance. You take a hurt Brown, an again Al and a declining Jrue in the playoffs with an ineffective KP, Boston was done.

Everything you state are good arguments as to why Celtics won't repeat... But they don't excuse the Knicks series fiasco.

I was highly critical of Joe hist first season. I warmed to him during the championship season, he made better in-game decisions - which I attributed to learning from past mistakes, having his own staff as well as a preseason, and hence a better comfort level.

But this season, when there has been more adversity and, let's face it, teams are more familiar with our system, he appears to be turtling - becoming rigid and ultraconservative.

Now I wonder if Joe's second season was the outlier. Winning a championship is never easy, but last season likely ranks among the less stressful. Brad's off-season coups gave us a decided edge talent-wise and Mazzulaball had the opportunity to fully flower. Even despite KP's playoff absence, his presence all season left Al fresh when the playoffs arrived.

TL;DR I think Joe's value as a coach declines the more adversity we face.

Joe gets rigid, and somehow even more stubborn. What happened to 'next man up'? Instead were pushing the limits of the walking wounded and aged. Increasing his answers dwindle down to 'i liked our shots' -an 'failure to execute' - implicitly signaling that he'll wait on the law of averages rather than any significant adjustments.

Playoff series are not, however, 82 games long and are therefore far more succeptible to statistical variance.

Unfortunately Joe's not alone with respect to his tendency to turtle under pressure. We've seen both JB and JT revert to some of their bad habits under pressure as well.

Our two stars are more comfortable as front runners. Our coach should be able to ameliorate those tendencies and steady the ship but it seems Joe shares that trait as well

I'm not defending Joe by any means. This series was one of the worst if not the worst coaching jobs in the playoffs in Celtic history. We gave up 2 20 point leads in the 2nd half, at home. We also gave up a 15 point 2nd half lead in game 4.

As far as the next man up mentality, that was only when a player or two were out due to rest and/or injury. Joe is a terrible in game adjustment coach. He sticks to his same rotation and plays the key guys heavy minutes. There is no development of players with the guy (no one say Kornet).

That being said, I'm not going to fully blame Joe for this series loss. He is a big factor. But Brown's injury heading into the series was big. KP's ineffectiveness vs the Magic was a big telling sign. Same with Jrue.

Fair take. I’d prefer to see Mazzulla out but Brown being banged up and the absolute no show of Porzingis and to a lesser (slightly) extent, Holiday just made everything so much tougher. Add in not even being able to count on Hauser for 10-12 a game and with Joe not willing to give spot minutes in the playoffs this in hindsight was always going to be an emotionally taxing series.

[playa-hater]

Anyone defending Joe at this point also needs to be fired this offseason. This guy is a complete joke and cost us at least one additional championship.

Joe didn't help at all. But he wasn't the reason we aren't repeating, he is part of the reasons.

1. Jrue's game took a big dive this season. He was a huge factor in last year's championship drive. This year, he looked gassed and old.

2. Relying on Al has your only decent big at 38 years of age was a big issue. We knew we couldn't count on KP. It's not even a health issue as much with his as he really struggles when teams play physical with him. It was Joe's fault for lot counting on Tillman this season and only counting on Queta from time to time. Kornet is fun to watch in the regular season, but he isn't a playoff season. The rough play takes him out of his game, just it does with KP.

3. Brown. When he hurt his knee near the end of the season and when that knee didn't get better, Boston has no chance. You take a hurt Brown, an again Al and a declining Jrue in the playoffs with an ineffective KP, Boston was done.

Everything you state are good arguments as to why Celtics won't repeat... But they don't excuse the Knicks series fiasco.

I was highly critical of Joe hist first season. I warmed to him during the championship season, he made better in-game decisions - which I attributed to learning from past mistakes, having his own staff as well as a preseason, and hence a better comfort level.

But this season, when there has been more adversity and, let's face it, teams are more familiar with our system, he appears to be turtling - becoming rigid and ultraconservative.

Now I wonder if Joe's second season was the outlier. Winning a championship is never easy, but last season likely ranks among the less stressful. Brad's off-season coups gave us a decided edge talent-wise and Mazzulaball had the opportunity to fully flower. Even despite KP's playoff absence, his presence all season left Al fresh when the playoffs arrived.

TL;DR I think Joe's value as a coach declines the more adversity we face.

Joe gets rigid, and somehow even more stubborn. What happened to 'next man up'? Instead were pushing the limits of the walking wounded and aged. Increasing his answers dwindle down to 'i liked our shots' -an 'failure to execute' - implicitly signaling that he'll wait on the law of averages rather than any significant adjustments.

Playoff series are not, however, 82 games long and are therefore far more succeptible to statistical variance.

Unfortunately Joe's not alone with respect to his tendency to turtle under pressure. We've seen both JB and JT revert to some of their bad habits under pressure as well.

Our two stars are more comfortable as front runners. Our coach should be able to ameliorate those tendencies and steady the ship but it seems Joe shares that trait as well

I think this is an absolutely excellent post. And description of joe.

With all the comments in this thread, I see this is by far the most accurate.

[Fencer reregistered]

Joe didn't help at all. But he wasn't the reason we aren't repeating, he is part of the reasons.

1. Jrue's game took a big dive this season. He was a huge factor in last year's championship drive. This year, he looked gassed and old.

2. Relying on Al has your only decent big at 38 years of age was a big issue. We knew we couldn't count on KP. It's not even a health issue as much with his as he really struggles when teams play physical with him. It was Joe's fault for lot counting on Tillman this season and only counting on Queta from time to time. Kornet is fun to watch in the regular season, but he isn't a playoff season. The rough play takes him out of his game, just it does with KP.

3. Brown. When he hurt his knee near the end of the season and when that knee didn't get better, Boston has no chance. You take a hurt Brown, an again Al and a declining Jrue in the playoffs with an ineffective KP, Boston was done.

Everything you state are good arguments as to why Celtics won't repeat... But they don't excuse the Knicks series fiasco.

I was highly critical of Joe hist first season. I warmed to him during the championship season, he made better in-game decisions - which I attributed to learning from past mistakes, having his own staff as well as a preseason, and hence a better comfort level.

But this season, when there has been more adversity and, let's face it, teams are more familiar with our system, he appears to be turtling - becoming rigid and ultraconservative.

Now I wonder if Joe's second season was the outlier. Winning a championship is never easy, but last season likely ranks among the less stressful. Brad's off-season coups gave us a decided edge talent-wise and Mazzulaball had the opportunity to fully flower. Even despite KP's playoff absence, his presence all season left Al fresh when the playoffs arrived.

TL;DR I think Joe's value as a coach declines the more adversity we face.

Joe gets rigid, and somehow even more stubborn. What happened to 'next man up'? Instead were pushing the limits of the walking wounded and aged. Increasing his answers dwindle down to 'i liked our shots' -an 'failure to execute' - implicitly signaling that he'll wait on the law of averages rather than any significant adjustments.

Playoff series are not, however, 82 games long and are therefore far more succeptible to statistical variance.

Unfortunately Joe's not alone with respect to his tendency to turtle under pressure. We've seen both JB and JT revert to some of their bad habits under pressure as well.

Our two stars are more comfortable as front runners. Our coach should be able to ameliorate those tendencies and steady the ship but it seems Joe shares that trait as well

I'm not defending Joe by any means. This series was one of the worst if not the worst coaching jobs in the playoffs in Celtic history. We gave up 2 20 point leads in the 2nd half, at home. We also gave up a 15 point 2nd half lead in game 4.

As far as the next man up mentality, that was only when a player or two were out due to rest and/or injury. Joe is a terrible in game adjustment coach. He sticks to his same rotation and plays the key guys heavy minutes. There is no development of players with the guy (no one say Kornet).

That being said, I'm not going to fully blame Joe for this series loss. He is a big factor. But Brown's injury heading into the series was big. KP's ineffectiveness vs the Magic was a big telling sign. Same with Jrue.

Pritchard, Hauser ... and Kornet.

[Bosjack]

Joe lost 3 games in this series after having leads of 15 points or more in the 2nd half. I want a new coach.

I wont say one bad word against him if we see game 7 against Nyc.But he would crap his pants,start choking and putting endless 3 point barage.While Brunson who is 7.3 by the way will walk under and over us like he is giant from game of Thrones

Brunson unfortunately isnt 7.3.So if we allow them to just take over game like they did.Its all over folks.Man i wish we could see game 6 atleast.

[jonige94]

Unfortunately with Brad being a former head coach as well, I doubt he'll fire Mazzulla.

But that decision will lead to his downfall as well.

[FlatearthZorro]

Joe lost 3 games in this series after having leads of 15 points or more in the 2nd half. I want a new coach.

I wont say one bad word against him if we see game 7 against Nyc.But he would crap his pants,start choking and putting endless 3 point barage.While Brunson who is 7.3 by the way will walk under and over us like he is giant from game of Thrones

Brunson unfortunately isnt 7.3.So if we allow them to just take over game like they did.Its all over folks.Man i wish we could see game 6 atleast.

I still think he needs to go, mostly cause I kinda think we should've won that series already.

[Boston508]

I don't want to see this raccoon-looking clown on the sidelines next season. He wasn't even supposed to be the head coach like that. He was an interim when Ime couldn't keep it in his pants, and that's as far as he should've gotten. Brad should have gone coach hunting in the off-season, but didn't. Now this is what you have. A guy who had no business being a head coach, being a head coach.

[Fierce1]

I don't want to see this raccoon-looking clown on the sidelines next season. He wasn't even supposed to be the head coach like that. He was an interim when Ime couldn't keep it in his pants, and that's as far as he should've gotten. Brad should have gone coach hunting in the off-season, but didn't. Now this is what you have. A guy who had no business being a head coach, being a head coach.

You'll be disappointed because Joe will be back next season.

[cloverleaf]

Rick would eat Joe alive if somehow the C's recovered to get past the Knicks.

[Fierce1]

Question is why did Carlisle leave Dallas and Luka?

Why did Nico and Dallas trade Luka?

It's obvious Rick Carlisle works well with players who are coachable.

Back then it was weird why Rick gave up on Luka and Dallas.

[Boston508]

I don't want to see this raccoon-looking clown on the sidelines next season. He wasn't even supposed to be the head coach like that. He was an interim when Ime couldn't keep it in his pants, and that's as far as he should've gotten. Brad should have gone coach hunting in the off-season, but didn't. Now this is what you have. A guy who had no business being a head coach, being a head coach.

You'll be disappointed because Joe will be back next season.

Joe is going to be the next Doc Rivers. A trash coach who clings to one championship he won only because of having a stacked roster. All the fans know he's trash, but the organization is blinded by the 1 chip he got. Next season is already a wash anyway. Let's see how awful Joe really is with no JT safety net.

[Patsfan1081]

It’s a players League!
Far as Coach Joe, to analytical driven. But if that’s the Organizational philosophy, he ain’t going anywhere

Is it? Honestly I don’t know however it did not seem to be under Ime or Brad. Their main focus was on defense creating offense and what we watched last night was a team that had no answers for NY in the paint and who shot themselves out of the game once again.

Because the Celtics never shot themselves out of the playoffs under Stevens or Udoka ? Y'all don't remember the time they went 7/39 for three, completely froze out their best offensive player for the last 6 minutes of the game and failed to crack 80 points in a game 7 ? Because I do.Y'all don't remember the Celtics being up with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter of the 2022 finals with the chance to go up 3-1 and proceeding to take contested threes on every. single. possession ? Because I do. When the same pattern repeats regardless of who coaches the team, it's not the coach. It's the players.

Bring back the Udoka offense :
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=598&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Brown%2026%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=606&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Tatum%2028%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=617&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Smart%2025%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=619&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Smart%2027%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=626&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Horford%2027%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=631&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Horford%2025%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot%20(8%20PTS)%20(Tatum%206%20AST)
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=648&GameID=0042100404&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20White%2024%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot

It was not even close to being this bad though. They were never close to breaking the record for most three point misses in a single game. How many times did the build twenty point leads then totally abandoned anything inside the arc? How as a coach do you watch your team take 12 of your 13 shots from behind the three point line in the third after blowing the game before the exact same manner? Big difference between going 7/39 than there is going 15/60. It was flustering watching them going ice cold in the playoffs in the past however their offense was never as predictable under Brad or Ime(who actually would call up good plays out of the timeout). What we complained about then was their ability to find different ways to lose every game.

[Patsfan1081]

I don't want to see this raccoon-looking clown on the sidelines next season. He wasn't even supposed to be the head coach like that. He was an interim when Ime couldn't keep it in his pants, and that's as far as he should've gotten. Brad should have gone coach hunting in the off-season, but didn't. Now this is what you have. A guy who had no business being a head coach, being a head coach.

You'll be disappointed because Joe will be back next season.

And most likely after Mazzulla ball fails them even worse they’ll be promoting Cassell into the spot. Get ready for JB tossing up ten attempts a game.