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Post#101 » by HMFFL » Tue May 13, 2025 3:51 am

Jamaaliver wrote:This is a really good point.

Adding supporting young players will only take us so far...

Are we ready to include Zacch Risacher, Onyeka Okongwu or...Jalen Johnson in trade talks for an established star?

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Hawks need a great player or two. There are too many really good Hawks and not enough great Hawks.

Do we have any player listed in the top ten in his position? Probably not. Trae didn't make it.
Consolidate!!

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Imagine having a point guard that can shoot.

Everything starts and ends with our leader Trae that shot below 40% from the field most of the sesson and ended the season at 41%.

Examples:
Brunson 48% from the field, 38% from three.
Tyrese Haliburton 46% from the field, 37% from three. These are near career lows for him.

Zaccharie Risacher and OO both need increases in their attempts. Trae needs to come back down to 15 per game like he was averaging the first half of the season.

Vit Krejci needs to go from 2.5 per game to several more.

Add a shooter like you suggested would be good off our bench. Griddy Kyle Anderson would be solid.



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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#102 » by King Ken » Tue May 13, 2025 8:32 am

Trae fans will forever defend him but his impact just ain't worth his salary
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Post#103 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 13, 2025 1:26 pm

HMFFL wrote:Imagine having a point guard that can shoot.

Everything starts and ends with our leader Trae that shot below 40% from the field most of the season and ended the season at 41%.

Examples:
Brunson 48% from the field, 38% from three.
Tyrese Haliburton 46% from the field, 37% from three. These are near career lows for him.



I'd like to see Trae focus more on mid range jumpers.

He's just as efficient from 12-18 ft as Jalen, but Brunson took double the amount of Trae this past season.

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#104 » by jayu70 » Tue May 13, 2025 3:10 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Imagine having a point guard that can shoot.

Everything starts and ends with our leader Trae that shot below 40% from the field most of the season and ended the season at 41%.

Examples:
Brunson 48% from the field, 38% from three.
Tyrese Haliburton 46% from the field, 37% from three. These are near career lows for him.



I'd like to see Trae focus more on mid range jumpers.

He's just as efficient from 12-18 ft as Jalen, but Brunson took double the amount of Trae this past season.

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Need reliable floor spaces to help with that too.
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Post#105 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 13, 2025 7:47 pm

If Tatum is out next season injured, the East is wide open for the taking...Hawks have to be aggressive in acquiring a veteran All Star to help lead the franchise back to the Conference Finals.

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Post#106 » by jayu70 » Tue May 13, 2025 8:38 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:If Tatum is out next season injured, the East is wide open for the taking...Hawks have to be aggressive in acquiring a veteran All Star to help lead the franchise back to the Conference Finals.

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I've already said just drafting 2 rookies, expect internal improvement, and resigning 2 of our 4 free agents is NOT ENOUGH. We'll just be treading water on a hope and a prayer.
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Post#107 » by CP War Hawks » Tue May 13, 2025 9:59 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:If Tatum is out next season injured, the East is wide open for the taking...Hawks have to be aggressive in acquiring a veteran All Star to help lead the franchise back to the Conference Finals.

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I've already said just drafting 2 rookies, expect internal improvement, and resigning 2 of our 4 free agents is NOT ENOUGH. We'll just be treading water on a hope and a prayer.


I can agree to an extent that the sense of urgency should go up with Giannis and Tatum having uncertain futures. Also Cle seems vulnerable.

However, this should't be too rushed. Hawks are finally accruing long and athletic players. This draft is unprecedented with those builds. Improving quality depth at 4-5 in the present, the Hawks should be fine going forward.
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#108 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 14, 2025 3:45 am

Larry Nance Jr. literally highlighting players Hawks should consider pursuing this offseason...

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Post#109 » by HMFFL » Wed May 14, 2025 5:18 am

Which starting positions do you think we need to upgrade? Or, do we stay as is, and upgrade the bench?

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Post#110 » by Geaux_Hawks » Wed May 14, 2025 12:40 pm

HMFFL wrote:Which starting positions do you think we need to upgrade? Or, do we stay as is, and upgrade the bench?

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Well it's obviously upgrading size at the 5. Adding depth at the 4 is needed also. We really need to be seeing the least amount of Nieng that can possibly see.

Draft might be the place to get the size upgrade. Khaman Maluach would be perfect, but Thomas Sorber's length has me intrigued as someone we can take at 13. He's girthy too, so that would help a ton as well.

Free agent targets I would consider as a backup 4 would be Guerschon Yabusele and Jake LaRavia.
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Post#111 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 14, 2025 1:39 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:...With that said, and putting an emphasis on our needs, that I believe are improving the roster with players who can help next season, but not in 3 years...

...trading a pick with one or two players of the current roster to get one or two solid players or one start could be great.

I am not a big fan of KD, but trading our pick and a young player for a star or well established player I believe would be a great idea.





There is an option that blends the two trains of thoughts together:

Trading some of the young players on the roster (since they'll have more trade value) and replacing them on the roster with draftees.

Trading #13 and #22 won't get you an All Star in return.

But trading Jalen and Okongwu might...then you draft two young players for the back of the rotation who could replace those two.

Just a thought. :dontknow:
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#112 » by Rebound Mound » Wed May 14, 2025 2:07 pm

HMFFL wrote:Which starting positions do you think we need to upgrade? Or, do we stay as is, and upgrade the bench?

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I think we should improve two key positions, which are our starting SF and our bench centre.
Ideas: find a good SF we can sing straight away or trade for him. If Rishacher develops well during the summer, they will have to share the minutes there. Risacher should find some PT at the SG position, as he is capable on dribbling, being fast, occupying big spaces on the defensive end.
Then a good back up centre could be Bitadze or may be Nurkic, who is big, can shoot and just needs to play 14/16 minutes (he has not been good at producing in short extents, I reckon that).
If the staff think JJ can play some time as a SF, then we should find a better PF than Gueye.
Also a better bench PG.

The fact is that we are quite good in some areas, but we do not excel in any...
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#113 » by Rebound Mound » Wed May 14, 2025 7:18 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:...With that said, and putting an emphasis on our needs, that I believe are improving the roster with players who can help next season, but not in 3 years...

...trading a pick with one or two players of the current roster to get one or two solid players or one start could be great.

I am not a big fan of KD, but trading our pick and a young player for a star or well established player I believe would be a great idea.





There is an option that blends the two trains of thoughts together:

Trading some of the young players on the roster (since they'll have more trade value) and replacing them on the roster with draftees.

Trading #13 and #22 won't get you an All Star in return.

But trading Jalen and Okongwu might...then you draft two young players for the back of the rotation who could replace those two.

Just a thought. :dontknow:


Interesting option, but we would need to be more specific with the options to conclude whether this would be a good idea or not.
Jalen Johnson could be a very good player and it takes luck and time to develop such a player.
I would not be opposed to trade OO, as I believe he has a very high trade value now, as he finished the season strong and showing every team that he can shoot and connect from 3.
But then, is the option of OO+Bitadze, for example, better than the option of whoever in the league we can get with OO + the player we can select with the number 13 pick.
If we are getting Kessler and Maluach for OO+other pick+other player, then I would say "hell, let's do it!".
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#114 » by HMFFL » Thu May 15, 2025 4:32 am

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HMFFL wrote:Which starting positions do you think we need to upgrade? Or, do we stay as is, and upgrade the bench?

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Well it's obviously upgrading size at the 5. Adding depth at the 4 is needed also. We really need to be seeing the least amount of Nieng that can possibly see.

Draft might be the place to get the size upgrade. Khaman Maluach would be perfect, but Thomas Sorber's length has me intrigued as someone we can take at 13. He's girthy too, so that would help a ton as well.

Free agent targets I would consider as a backup 4 would be Guerschon Yabusele and Jake LaRavia.


I agree, Niang doesn't need to be on the court long enough to attempt 10 shots per game.

Why do you like Jake LaRavia?


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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#115 » by Jamaaliver » Thu May 15, 2025 1:48 pm

Go big or go home, right?

Brad Rowland wrote:Hawks quietly hold ammo for a draft-night lottery leap

The Hawks have two first round picks, might the team package them together?

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At this juncture, there remains a great deal of uncertainty as to who will be executing the front office moves for the Hawks but, with the team's young core already in place, many observers are asking the same question.

Could the Hawks put No. 13 and No. 22 together and move up the board?

[T]his is a reasonable hypothetical, as some other NBA teams could be interested in turning one single pick into multiple "swings." Of course, the same could be said for Atlanta when taking a look at the draft through a more analytical lens, but the Hawks do have an established young core that could perhaps benefit more if the team were to hit on a single prospect who could reach lofty heights.

How high could No. 13 and No. 22 take them?
Recent history provides an interesting window into similar, though not identical, trades in the NBA Draft. In 2013, the No. 14 and No. 21 picks were packaged to move up to No. 9 overall. In 2014, the No. 16 and No. 19 picks came together to land the No. 11 selection. In 2016, a package headlined by the No. 13 and No. 28 picks (plus more) moved for the No. 8 pick. And in 2017, the No. 15 and No. 20 picks were traded for No. 10 overall.

Obviously, things can change and there is no established trade chart that every team must follow. After all, it only takes one team to buy what the Hawks are selling. Still, it is instructive to see that, at least in the modern draft era, a deal involving only the No. 13 and No. 22 picks probably isn't taking you into the upper half of the lottery.

Some potential trade-up options
The list below is not exhaustive, but it encompasses some theoreticals that would make sense for Atlanta if the player they covet were to fall into a reasonable range.

Duke center Khaman Maluach - There is a (very) large portion of the Hawks fan base that salivates at the thought of a center with a "seven" at the beginning of his listed height. Maluach certainly checks that box, and he profiles as a potentially impactful defensive anchor at the next level. He is a tremendous shot blocker, and Maluach is an archetype of player that Atlanta simply doesn't have right now. At the same time, he is not a dominant defensive rebounder, and Maluach's offensive game could certainly be described as a work in progress.

Texas wing Tre Johnson - Johnson is perhaps the least likely of this trio to fall into Atlanta's trade-up range, but he is a high-upside offensive wing. Johnson's shooting prowess would be appetizing and, with the consensus pointing to Atlanta needing more offensive juice on the perimeter, Johnson would help.

Duke wing Kon Knueppel - Knueppel has athletic questions that could push him down the board for some, but he also checks the "dribble, pass, shoot" box that teams covet from wing players. While he shot nearly 41 percent from 3-point range, Knueppel is more than a specialist, consistently working his way to paint, flashing passing chops, and showcasing intriguing strength and physicality. Because of the athletic limitaitons, though, there are questions about his defensive projection at the NBA level.

An interesting draft class
There are differing views on the 2025 draft class. While it is universally seen as superior overall to the 2024 group, a lot of that leap comes from the mere presence of Cooper Flagg and, to a lesser extent, Dylan Harper. After the top two, the gaps between the second and third tiers may not be massive. In theory, that would make a trade-up scenario less exciting but, as noted earlier, the sentiment of "it only takes one" can extend to both trade partners and prospects.

The long-term NBA Draft math would point to simply making the two picks and playing the odds, simply because drafting is an inexact science. Frankly, everyone is worse at the process of identifying and selecting draft prospects than they want to be, so giving a team more chances is, in a vacuum, the cleanest process. Of course, that is not how the practical world works, and if there is a player that Atlanta's new president of basketball operations identifies as "the guy," a trade-up could certainly happen.
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#116 » by dms269 » Thu May 15, 2025 3:29 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:...With that said, and putting an emphasis on our needs, that I believe are improving the roster with players who can help next season, but not in 3 years...

...trading a pick with one or two players of the current roster to get one or two solid players or one start could be great.

I am not a big fan of KD, but trading our pick and a young player for a star or well established player I believe would be a great idea.





There is an option that blends the two trains of thoughts together:

Trading some of the young players on the roster (since they'll have more trade value) and replacing them on the roster with draftees.

Trading #13 and #22 won't get you an All Star in return.

But trading Jalen and Okongwu might...then you draft two young players for the back of the rotation who could replace those two.

Just a thought. :dontknow:


Interesting option, but we would need to be more specific with the options to conclude whether this would be a good idea or not.
Jalen Johnson could be a very good player and it takes luck and time to develop such a player.
I would not be opposed to trade OO, as I believe he has a very high trade value now, as he finished the season strong and showing every team that he can shoot and connect from 3.
But then, is the option of OO+Bitadze, for example, better than the option of whoever in the league we can get with OO + the player we can select with the number 13 pick.
If we are getting Kessler and Maluach for OO+other pick+other player, then I would say "hell, let's do it!".


I feel like the cost for those two will end up being counter-productive. To jump for Maluach you are looking at a jump into the 6-7-8 range more than likely. Ainge was asking for two future unprotected picks + Knecht for Kessler at the deadline. My assumption is the cost is likely near that. So you are looking at 22 plus 2 of the following 27 worst of, 28, 29, 30, 31 unprotected picks just for Kessler. Then the jump you might get a team willing to do 14+Okongwu if you are lucky
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#117 » by Rebound Mound » Fri May 16, 2025 4:04 pm

dms269 wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:



There is an option that blends the two trains of thoughts together:

Trading some of the young players on the roster (since they'll have more trade value) and replacing them on the roster with draftees.

Trading #13 and #22 won't get you an All Star in return.

But trading Jalen and Okongwu might...then you draft two young players for the back of the rotation who could replace those two.

Just a thought. :dontknow:


Interesting option, but we would need to be more specific with the options to conclude whether this would be a good idea or not.
Jalen Johnson could be a very good player and it takes luck and time to develop such a player.
I would not be opposed to trade OO, as I believe he has a very high trade value now, as he finished the season strong and showing every team that he can shoot and connect from 3.
But then, is the option of OO+Bitadze, for example, better than the option of whoever in the league we can get with OO + the player we can select with the number 13 pick.
If we are getting Kessler and Maluach for OO+other pick+other player, then I would say "hell, let's do it!".


I feel like the cost for those two will end up being counter-productive. To jump for Maluach you are looking at a jump into the 6-7-8 range more than likely. Ainge was asking for two future unprotected picks + Knecht for Kessler at the deadline. My assumption is the cost is likely near that. So you are looking at 22 plus 2 of the following 27 worst of, 28, 29, 30, 31 unprotected picks just for Kessler. Then the jump you might get a team willing to do 14+Okongwu if you are lucky


Kessler and Maluach for 2 picks and OO would be great, imo.
We would be adding two 7-1 players with an age difference that ensures a good, tall centre for 15 years and two picks we really "do not want".
Also a player in OO who is too short to play C in this league, but who is in an all time high value because of his showing last season with promising developing, shooting, moto... We would be adding too salaries instead of three, although higher salaries.
i would prefer them taking Risacher instead of OO, but I do not think they want ZR.
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#118 » by Rebound Mound » Fri May 16, 2025 4:06 pm

The rumors are saying that we want Giannis's agent to be our next GM.
And they are also saying Giannis wants to exit to a Eastern Conf team, with the Raptors as a good option which can offer the best package (Barnes or Ingram, picks and Poetl).
It would be fantastic to get Giannis and I believe our package of assets could be enticing to the Bucks.
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Post#119 » by HMFFL » Sat May 17, 2025 7:46 am

I like OO at his current salary.
There is no need to trade a 4/5 when we need depth at both positions and he makes $14m per season.

Walker Kessler should be able to be acquired without giving up OO.





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Post#120 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sat May 17, 2025 9:30 am

Kessler / #21 for Kobe / #13 / Future pick?
Draft Wolf / Will Riley for example
FA vet PG and re-sign Nance
Something like

Kessler / OO / Nance / Wolf
JJ / Mo / Niang
Ris / Vit / Riley
DD / LeVert / Mann
Trae / FA

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