NBA Trade Thread #12

[Infinity2152]

Here we sit at #12 in a draft that's not really 12 deep. As more mock drafts take shape after the combine I wouldn't object to an nheard of strategy.

A three team trade involving BRK (others with multiple picks would be possible) and a team out of the 1st round.

Bulls drop fro #12 to let's say to BRK #19 and for their trouble they get a top 5 protected 2026 or 27 FRP
BRK gets solid young quicker rebuild assets from the 3rd team
3rd team gets #12 from the Bulls

The pick the Bulls get isn't a huge drop from #12 to #19, may or may not get to the rotation they get a near future pick, gambling on where it falls, when they have fewer players under contract
BRK gives up a pick to get this year players to mix with their lottery pick and so their late picks don't get rushed
3rd team gets back into the 1st round to take a young guy they like at #12, give up some good but not great kids who are looking at extensions but haven't broken into their lineup

any team could add some players

How about pick 12 plus Collins for 19, 26, and 27? They give up 2 late picks to move up 7 spots and add Collins, a useful expiring backup for Claxton.

[sco]

Here we sit at #12 in a draft that's not really 12 deep. As more mock drafts take shape after the combine I wouldn't object to an nheard of strategy.

A three team trade involving BRK (others with multiple picks would be possible) and a team out of the 1st round.

Bulls drop fro #12 to let's say to BRK #19 and for their trouble they get a top 5 protected 2026 or 27 FRP
BRK gets solid young quicker rebuild assets from the 3rd team
3rd team gets #12 from the Bulls

The pick the Bulls get isn't a huge drop from #12 to #19, may or may not get to the rotation they get a near future pick, gambling on where it falls, when they have fewer players under contract
BRK gives up a pick to get this year players to mix with their lottery pick and so their late picks don't get rushed
3rd team gets back into the 1st round to take a young guy they like at #12, give up some good but not great kids who are looking at extensions but haven't broken into their lineup

any team could add some players

How about pick 12 plus Collins for 19, 26, and 27? They give up 2 late picks to move up 7 spots and add Collins, a useful expiring backup for Claxton.

I wouldn't do that if I were them unless I really liked someone at 12. Also, they really don't need a backup C. Maybe if we included Ball or Ayo...which might keep them from going after Giddey or Jones.

[Infinity2152]

Here we sit at #12 in a draft that's not really 12 deep. As more mock drafts take shape after the combine I wouldn't object to an nheard of strategy.

A three team trade involving BRK (others with multiple picks would be possible) and a team out of the 1st round.

Bulls drop fro #12 to let's say to BRK #19 and for their trouble they get a top 5 protected 2026 or 27 FRP
BRK gets solid young quicker rebuild assets from the 3rd team
3rd team gets #12 from the Bulls

The pick the Bulls get isn't a huge drop from #12 to #19, may or may not get to the rotation they get a near future pick, gambling on where it falls, when they have fewer players under contract
BRK gives up a pick to get this year players to mix with their lottery pick and so their late picks don't get rushed
3rd team gets back into the 1st round to take a young guy they like at #12, give up some good but not great kids who are looking at extensions but haven't broken into their lineup

any team could add some players

How about pick 12 plus Collins for 19, 26, and 27? They give up 2 late picks to move up 7 spots and add Collins, a useful expiring backup for Claxton.

I wouldn't do that if I were them unless I really liked someone at 12. Also, they really don't need a backup C. Maybe if we included Ball or Ayo...which might keep them from going after Giddey or Jones.

Ayo's a good alternative. Wouldn't do Ball in that deal. It's a pretty fair deal. Might be a loser on our side actually. Chance we get a good player at 12 has to be much higher than at 19 in a strong draft. One good/great player is worth more than three average/ below average players

[patryk7754]

With recurring reports that the grizzlies not wanting to pay three max contracts, we should explore what it would take to get Bane. I think it would have to be centered around Huerter and picks. I wonder if they’d be willing to take vuc as well since he’d be expiring or would they require he be sent somewhere else. The players don’t really matter to me as long as it’s not Matas. Max amount of picks I’d give up are 2 protected picks.

Huerter/Vuc for Bane/Huff works (I really like Huff) $ wise. But I think White/Smith/Collins would be better received...along with 12, Por 1st, plus likely another 1st. White gives them a good replacement that will likely cost less. They also need PF help that Smith could really help with.

I don't think I'd be willing to trade 12 for bane. It would depend on who is there, but I prefer that we use that piece to build with.

[Infinity2152]

Man, if we could get Bane, they could have pick 12, Coby, Vucevic, Colins, Portland pick EASY. Are you kidding me? Give them an extra pick if we had to. Giddey's our PG, and Bane's the perfect backcourt partner. 27 yr old All Star sharpshooter who's strong as hell and a good defender locked up for the next 3 years. At $37 mill, we sign Giddey between $25-30, we still have plenty of room.

Giddey, Bane, Williams, Matas, Smith with cap space to hunt.

I'm taking the actual 27 year old two way All star over mid draft picks all day. By All Star referring to level of talent, not accolades. Bane is a very safe bet to be a huge boost to this squad.

[kodo]

I really like Bane...but if we had to salary dump Lavine because he was massively overpaid, how is Bane at $39M OK?

Lavine 24 / 5 / 5; 51% / 45%; 64% TS
Bane 19 / 6 / 5; 48% / 39%; 60% TS

Considering how much more efficient Lavine is he's the better contract at a few million more. +4% TS is huge, 60% TS is 2 points above league average.

Trading Huerter and the #12 for Bane feels like we've just traded Lavine for a bit worse scoring SG and gave up a #12 pick with it.

[Infinity2152]

I really like Bane...but if we had to salary dump Lavine because he was massively overpaid, how is Bane at $39M OK?

Lavine 24 / 5 / 5; 51% / 45%; 64% TS
Bane 19 / 6 / 5; 48% / 39%; 60% TS

Considering how much more efficient Lavine is he's the better contract at a few million more. +4% TS is huge, 60% TS is 2 points above league average.

Trading Huerter and the #12 for Bane feels like we've just traded Lavine for a bit worse scoring SG and gave up a #12 pick with it.

Bane is a WAY better defender. Like guard the other teams best offensive player better. I'm believing Giddey will be leading at the point for awhile, Bane plays more off ball than Lavine. Having a great defensive guard who can catch and shoot is a must for us. Would expect Giddey and Bane to both average at least 20/5/5/gm, that's enough with everything else they bring.

And the money difference is not that close either. Lavine is $47.5 mill, $49 mill next two years. Bane is $36.7 mill and $39.4 mill. We're talking about a $10 mill cheaper, younger better fit with our current core. Giddey, Bane, Matas is a nice 3 piece and Giddy at $25-$30 is a cheap All Star level talent.. Matas still on rookie contract, we can absorb Bane's contract and still fill out the center spot.

See Devin Vassell as a similar target, but Bane's better than Vassell too. We complained so much about Zach and Coby's defense and that was before Giddey was the full time starter, lol. Plus, I think Zach is great and there was no need to rush and dump him, but his value was at a high for probably the last few years, and it did seem to unlock Giddey. The rush to move Zach was as much to bottom out the team as it was to clear cap that's not even clear, lol. Only Tre Jones was actually expiring and we might re-sign him. We haven't saved much yet. Zach's basketball IQ had a lot to do with it too.

Or we could hope to draft a guy nearly as good as Bane rather than just trading for him, lol. And yeah, I'd give up 12 easily to upgrade from Lavine to Bane, and I think most GM's would too. Bane averaged 24 last year and 22 the year before, he only played 32 minutes this season for that 19.

[Ccwatercraft]

I really like Bane...but if we had to salary dump Lavine because he was massively overpaid, how is Bane at $39M OK?

Lavine 24 / 5 / 5; 51% / 45%; 64% TS
Bane 19 / 6 / 5; 48% / 39%; 60% TS

Considering how much more efficient Lavine is he's the better contract at a few million more. +4% TS is huge, 60% TS is 2 points above league average.

Trading Huerter and the #12 for Bane feels like we've just traded Lavine for a bit worse scoring SG and gave up a #12 pick with it.

Bane is a WAY better defender. Like guard the other teams best offensive player better. I'm believing Giddey will be leading at the point for awhile, Bane plays more off ball than Lavine. Having a great defensive guard who can catch and shoot is a must for us. Would expect Giddey and Bane to both average at least 20/5/5/gm, that's enough with everything else they bring.

And the money difference is not that close either. Lavine is $47.5 mill, $49 mill next two years. Bane is $36.7 mill and $39.4 mill. We're talking about a $10 mill cheaper, younger better fit with our current core. Giddey, Bane, Matas is a nice 3 piece and Giddy at $25-$30 is a cheap All Star level talent.. Matas still on rookie contract, we can absorb Bane's contract and still fill out the center spot.

See Devin Vassell as a similar target, but Bane's better than Vassell too. We complained so much about Zach and Coby's defense and that was before Giddey was the full time starter, lol. Plus, I think Zach is great and there was no need to rush and dump him, but his value was at a high for probably the last few years, and it did seem to unlock Giddey. The rush to move Zach was as much to bottom out the team as it was to clear cap that's not even clear, lol. Only Tre Jones was actually expiring and we might re-sign him. We haven't saved much yet. Zach's basketball IQ had a lot to do with it too.

Or we could hope to draft a guy nearly as good as Bane rather than just trading for him, lol. And yeah, I'd give up 12 easily to upgrade from Lavine to Bane, and I think most GM's would too. Bane averaged 24 last year and 22 the year before, he only played 32 minutes this season for that 19.

Bane is totally better overall player than zach.

Defense and IQ make a huge difference. He would make a nice target for a consolidation trade.

[sco]

I really like Bane...but if we had to salary dump Lavine because he was massively overpaid, how is Bane at $39M OK?

Lavine 24 / 5 / 5; 51% / 45%; 64% TS
Bane 19 / 6 / 5; 48% / 39%; 60% TS

Considering how much more efficient Lavine is he's the better contract at a few million more. +4% TS is huge, 60% TS is 2 points above league average.

Trading Huerter and the #12 for Bane feels like we've just traded Lavine for a bit worse scoring SG and gave up a #12 pick with it.

Bane is a WAY better defender. Like guard the other teams best offensive player better. I'm believing Giddey will be leading at the point for awhile, Bane plays more off ball than Lavine. Having a great defensive guard who can catch and shoot is a must for us. Would expect Giddey and Bane to both average at least 20/5/5/gm, that's enough with everything else they bring.

And the money difference is not that close either. Lavine is $47.5 mill, $49 mill next two years. Bane is $36.7 mill and $39.4 mill. We're talking about a $10 mill cheaper, younger better fit with our current core. Giddey, Bane, Matas is a nice 3 piece and Giddy at $25-$30 is a cheap All Star level talent.. Matas still on rookie contract, we can absorb Bane's contract and still fill out the center spot.

See Devin Vassell as a similar target, but Bane's better than Vassell too. We complained so much about Zach and Coby's defense and that was before Giddey was the full time starter, lol. Plus, I think Zach is great and there was no need to rush and dump him, but his value was at a high for probably the last few years, and it did seem to unlock Giddey. The rush to move Zach was as much to bottom out the team as it was to clear cap that's not even clear, lol. Only Tre Jones was actually expiring and we might re-sign him. We haven't saved much yet. Zach's basketball IQ had a lot to do with it too.

Or we could hope to draft a guy nearly as good as Bane rather than just trading for him, lol. And yeah, I'd give up 12 easily to upgrade from Lavine to Bane, and I think most GM's would too. Bane averaged 24 last year and 22 the year before, he only played 32 minutes this season for that 19.

Bane is totally better overall player than zach.

Defense and IQ make a huge difference. He would make a nice target for a consolidation trade.

So what is a deal that MEM might consider for Bane? I'd love to include Coby in the deal, plus expirings and one or more 1sts. People mention that Coby could get paid that much in his next deal, but I think his numbers would likely dip as the 3rd option there, and so would his price.

[sco]

If DEN wants to rejigger their roster this offseason, moving MPJ might be their targeted move. Given their inability to score when Joker is off the floor being their big issue, I wonder if a deal like MPJ + filler for Vuc/Pat would work for both teams. MPJ isn't great, he's paid a lot for 2 more seasons, but he is better than either of our guys. His deal extends some expirings into the following season while getting us out of Pat's deal.

[Infinity2152]

Bane is a WAY better defender. Like guard the other teams best offensive player better. I'm believing Giddey will be leading at the point for awhile, Bane plays more off ball than Lavine. Having a great defensive guard who can catch and shoot is a must for us. Would expect Giddey and Bane to both average at least 20/5/5/gm, that's enough with everything else they bring.

And the money difference is not that close either. Lavine is $47.5 mill, $49 mill next two years. Bane is $36.7 mill and $39.4 mill. We're talking about a $10 mill cheaper, younger better fit with our current core. Giddey, Bane, Matas is a nice 3 piece and Giddy at $25-$30 is a cheap All Star level talent.. Matas still on rookie contract, we can absorb Bane's contract and still fill out the center spot.

See Devin Vassell as a similar target, but Bane's better than Vassell too. We complained so much about Zach and Coby's defense and that was before Giddey was the full time starter, lol. Plus, I think Zach is great and there was no need to rush and dump him, but his value was at a high for probably the last few years, and it did seem to unlock Giddey. The rush to move Zach was as much to bottom out the team as it was to clear cap that's not even clear, lol. Only Tre Jones was actually expiring and we might re-sign him. We haven't saved much yet. Zach's basketball IQ had a lot to do with it too.

Or we could hope to draft a guy nearly as good as Bane rather than just trading for him, lol. And yeah, I'd give up 12 easily to upgrade from Lavine to Bane, and I think most GM's would too. Bane averaged 24 last year and 22 the year before, he only played 32 minutes this season for that 19.

Bane is totally better overall player than zach.

Defense and IQ make a huge difference. He would make a nice target for a consolidation trade.

So what is a deal that MEM might consider for Bane? I'd love to include Coby in the deal, plus expirings and one or more 1sts. People mention that Coby could get paid that much in his next deal, but I think his numbers would likely dip as the 3rd option there, and so would his price.

My offers would be:
1) Coby, Vucevic or Collins, Ayo, Portland 1st, 2026 top 5 protected first
2) Coby, Vucevic, Carter, pick 12
3) Huerter, Vucevic, pick 12, Portland first, 2028 lottery protected first, then trade Coby in a separate trade to recoup some of the picks

[ChettheJet]

If DEN wants to rejigger their roster this offseason, moving MPJ might be their targeted move. Given their inability to score when Joker is off the floor being their big issue, I wonder if a deal like MPJ + filler for Vuc/Pat would work for both teams. MPJ isn't great, he's paid a lot for 2 more seasons, but he is better than either of our guys. His deal extends some expirings into the following season while getting us out of Pat's deal.

So Vucevic off the bench is going to give the Nuggets the scoring they need when Jokic sits. Don't you think the other team is going to double Vuc to contest his shot or get the ball out of his hands and into the same 4 players who haven't been able to score before? And having seen how Vuc tends to pout when he doesn't think he's getting the ball enough, what's his attitude going to be playing 16 minutes a game off the bench behind a perennial MVP candidate?

[sco]

If DEN wants to rejigger their roster this offseason, moving MPJ might be their targeted move. Given their inability to score when Joker is off the floor being their big issue, I wonder if a deal like MPJ + filler for Vuc/Pat would work for both teams. MPJ isn't great, he's paid a lot for 2 more seasons, but he is better than either of our guys. His deal extends some expirings into the following season while getting us out of Pat's deal.

So Vucevic off the bench is going to give the Nuggets the scoring they need when Jokic sits. Don't you think the other team is going to double Vuc to contest his shot or get the ball out of his hands and into the same 4 players who haven't been able to score before? And having seen how Vuc tends to pout when he doesn't think he's getting the ball enough, what's his attitude going to be playing 16 minutes a game off the bench behind a perennial MVP candidate?

Look, AK who had a FO position in DEN, thought it could work when he traded for Vuc. We don't have to believe it, just someone in the DEN org needs to. Again, it also mitigates more than 1/2 of Porter's salary after a year. AND they get the potential that has yet to be tapped from PWill...don't forget that part!

[PistolP]

White for Gafford?

We have too many guards and need a defensive center. Mavs have too many defensive centers and need a guard while Kyrie is out. It’s also probably easier to find a decent guard at #12. All that said, AK traded away Gafford once so doubt he would acknowledge the error of his ways.

[patryk7754]

If the FO wants to do an "all in" offseason, I think there are two packages we can put together to offer to teams. One would be for an all-star level player and the other would be for an All-nba level player. The only players that would be off limits for me would be Matas and Giddey (Giddey mostly because he's an RFA)

All- star level package:
grouping of players, protected future first and POR pick (possibly seconds)

The players don't really matter, just enough to match contracts while still getting a decent player return. The only player I would not include in the "all-star" package would be White. He's being saved the for the all NBA player. The real value would come from the picks.

All-NBA level package
grouping of players including white and ayo, 2025 pick, and however many eligible picks it would take to get this player.

I think there would be less flexibility in which players the bulls would include in this trade since anyone trading their all NBA player would want one of our best player(s) in return, on top of picks.

Overall, I think it would be easier for us to try and combine the two into one, three-team trade. Here's an example trade.

Grizzlies get Huerter, Jalen Smith, Dalen Terry POR pick, a future lotto protected pick, and pick swap option
Bucks get Vucevic, White, Ayo, Carter, all our remaining firsts (including 2025) and pick swap option
Bulls get Bane and Giannis.

The player value isn't really there but it is decent. For the Grizzlies, I think it works value wise because they can replace Banes role with Huerter, get pretty good pick value, and meet their speculated goal of not paying out 3 max contracts.If the thing that would be holding this trade back would be the protection on the 1st, i'd be willing to remove it.

Not a very enticing offer for the Bucks, but it's probably the best we can put together, and there's no reason not to make offer. Unlikely we land Giannis (or any player hovering around his level) unless they specifically demand a trade to the bulls.

Again, this is just a rough template of an "all in" package. It doesn't need to be Bane and/or Giannis, just any combo of all star and all NBA player. Best case scenario might be a combo of a wing and front court player. And obviously, which player from the bulls gets sent where would depend on the players we are acquiring and what the goals of the other teams are. Theoretically, it seems we have the contracts to pull of trade(s) for two players of that caliber, just comes down to what other teams offer and how many picks we are willing to part with. The amount of picks we would be willing to part with would obviously be dependant on the player. If its Giannis or Jokic, their respective teams can have whatever picks they want. If its someone like KD, we'd obivouly not want to give away a tone of picks for aged star.

Then we can do a couple more moves to supplement the big one. These moves i'd like to see us regardless of what the big picture plan is.

Trade 1: Pat Williams for Kuminga (s&t)
Trade 2: Collins for Naz Reid (s&t). Not confident Reid signs a deal cheap enough to make it work, but hopeful.
Trade 3 : Only if trade 2 doesn't happen. Lonzo for Gafford.

and finally we sign Malcolm Brogdon, Tim Hardaway jr, and Clint Capela (I'd like to make signings like these regardless of our plan as well. Bring in some vets with significant playoff experience. Worked wonders for the Pistons)

Giddey/Lonzo/Brogdon
Bane/Brogdon
Matas/Hardaway Jr/Kuminga
Giannis/Kuminga/Philips
Reid/Capela

[sco]

White for Gafford?

We have too many guards and need a defensive center. Mavs have too many defensive centers and need a guard while Kyrie is out. It’s also probably easier to find a decent guard at #12. All that said, AK traded away Gafford once so doubt he would acknowledge the error of his ways.

Can't see our FO trading to get Gafford back. Also, I'd want a better return for White.

[Chi town]

I really like Bane...but if we had to salary dump Lavine because he was massively overpaid, how is Bane at $39M OK?

Lavine 24 / 5 / 5; 51% / 45%; 64% TS
Bane 19 / 6 / 5; 48% / 39%; 60% TS

Considering how much more efficient Lavine is he's the better contract at a few million more. +4% TS is huge, 60% TS is 2 points above league average.

Trading Huerter and the #12 for Bane feels like we've just traded Lavine for a bit worse scoring SG and gave up a #12 pick with it.

This.

I’ll take Huerter at 18M over Bane at 37M.

[Chi town]

White for Gafford?

We have too many guards and need a defensive center. Mavs have too many defensive centers and need a guard while Kyrie is out. It’s also probably easier to find a decent guard at #12. All that said, AK traded away Gafford once so doubt he would acknowledge the error of his ways.

Think it’s be more like Huerter or Ayo for Gafford.

[Infinity2152]

Don't think there's any way Pat Will for Kuminga S&T happens without us adding assets. That said, Kuminga has to be pretty done with the Warriors and Kerr, benching him so long. Evident Kerr really doesn't want to play him. Was watching Gil's Arena, they were talking about Kuminga and how he'd be more valued if he rebounded more and Kenyon Martin brought up a good point. He plays defense a lot away from the basket. Same with Pat Will, when you're on-ball defense against a primary scorer on the perimeter, you're not getting many defensive rebounds. We might get Kuminga S&T for Pat if we include a pick (not #12, lol).

Been seeing stories management is taking hardline stance with Pat. They said it's time to sink or swim, this is the first time he's been available for trade and they know it's not worth it to trade him now. When I think of Pat as a perimeter defender primarily instead of a "PF", his rebounding numbers are much more acceptable. Depending on what position we draft, not against seeing how Pat responds to a faster paced offense and the additional heat. Value certainly can't go down.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/05/08/forward-breakdown-bulls-have-put-ball-in-patrick-williams-court

[sco]

Don't think there's any way Pat Will for Kuminga S&T happens without us adding assets. That said, Kuminga has to be pretty done with the Warriors and Kerr, benching him so long. Evident Kerr really doesn't want to play him. Was watching Gil's Arena, they were talking about Kuminga and how he'd be more valued if he rebounded more and Kenyon Martin brought up a good point. He plays defense a lot away from the basket. Same with Pat Will, when you're on-ball defense against a primary scorer on the perimeter, you're not getting many defensive rebounds. We might get Kuminga S&T for Pat if we include a pick (not #12, lol).

Been seeing stories management is taking hardline stance with Pat. They said it's time to sink or swim, this is the first time he's been available for trade and they know it's not worth it to trade him now. When I think of Pat as a perimeter defender primarily instead of a "PF", his rebounding numbers are much more acceptable. Depending on what position we draft, not against seeing how Pat responds to a faster paced offense and the additional heat. Value certainly can't go down.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/05/08/forward-breakdown-bulls-have-put-ball-in-patrick-williams-court

Good read. The Pat situation isn't going to change next season as the article states. That contract is gonna be hard to move. The problem will be compounded if they draft another capable forward who will need developmental minutes. If Pat doesn't get minutes, he'll never upgrade his market value.

IMO, Pat isn't and hasn't ever been the player that they hoped for when they drafted him. The thing is, if he just focuses on being the player he used to be, an above average defending, low utilization, good 3pt shooter, that may just be the type of player we need now. His biggest problem is that they kept pushing him to do things (like creating off the dribble and dunking everything) that just can't do. But they've drilled this new image into him so long, I don't know how he can go back to being that guy. I don't even see him as being ahead of Justin Phillips at this point.