How does Denver retool in the offseason (Who wants Murray/MPJ?)

[Peregrine01]

It's sad how many people act like this Denver team is trash. They've battled injuries and replacing a coach recently and are still putting up a fight against a great team.

They aren’t. They have Jokic, who will go down as an ATG, Gordon who has played like an all-star this playoffs, Braun who’s solid and Murray who can be a fireball when he’s hot but most of the time infuriatingly inconsistent. Everyone else isn’t exactly wanting to say the least.

The complaints about the Nuggets isn’t that they’re trash, it’s that they really haven’t put a good team around an ATG player and there’s a sense that they’re wasting said ATG’s career.

[Jedi32]

It's sad how many people act like this Denver team is trash. They've battled injuries and replacing a coach recently and are still putting up a fight against a great team.

They aren’t. They have Jokic, who will go down as an ATG, Gordon who has played like an all-star this playoffs, Braun who’s solid and Murray who can be a fireball when he’s hot but most of the time infuriatingly inconsistent. Everyone else isn’t exactly wanting to say the least.

The complaints about the Nuggets isn’t that they’re trash, it’s that they really haven’t put a good team around an ATG player and there’s a sense that they’re wasting said ATG’s career.

How though if this team just recently won a chip. Winning a chip is hard, just because you're a great player doesn't mean you're destined to get one let alone more. The nuggets have done right by jokic imo. Even now the series isn't even over and folks are writing them off.

[Wolfgang630]

It's sad how many people act like this Denver team is trash. They've battled injuries and replacing a coach recently and are still putting up a fight against a great team.

They aren’t. They have Jokic, who will go down as an ATG, Gordon who has played like an all-star this playoffs, Braun who’s solid and Murray who can be a fireball when he’s hot but most of the time infuriatingly inconsistent. Everyone else isn’t exactly wanting to say the least.

The complaints about the Nuggets isn’t that they’re trash, it’s that they really haven’t put a good team around an ATG player and there’s a sense that they’re wasting said ATG’s career.

How though if this team just recently won a chip. Winning a chip is hard, just because you're a great player doesn't mean you're destined to get one let alone more. The nuggets have done right by jokic imo. Even now the series isn't even over and folks are writing them off.

They haven’t done right wth are you talking about? Go back and watch how you continue the life of a contending team. Look how the Spurs reloaded and brought in VETERANS. Look at the Warriors how they kept bringing in veterans and great players. The Nuggets kept a depleted fking bench as a depleted bench for YEARS. They have NO backup center. I repeat NO backup center since forever

[Infinite Llamas]

Jokic chose to stay in Denver. Live with the results.

Making excuses for the best player in the world is something im never going to do. You want the title deal with the results.

OP did not even mention Jokic. It was a thread on how Denver can get better as a team. You're the one that brought this nonsense into this thread. So I guess Denver fans can't talk about how to improve their team, because Jokic is on it.

Look at the comments in the game thread bro. Jokic teammates are the only one getting blame.

This a team sport Jokic is on that team he's not exempt from criticism. Win as a team and lose as a team.


Tell me I'm wrong and explain why then I will gladly apologize, but you know you can't because it's the truth!

Denver lost but Jokic played great.

How is this a hard concept to grasp?

[Peregrine01]

It's sad how many people act like this Denver team is trash. They've battled injuries and replacing a coach recently and are still putting up a fight against a great team.

They aren’t. They have Jokic, who will go down as an ATG, Gordon who has played like an all-star this playoffs, Braun who’s solid and Murray who can be a fireball when he’s hot but most of the time infuriatingly inconsistent. Everyone else isn’t exactly wanting to say the least.

The complaints about the Nuggets isn’t that they’re trash, it’s that they really haven’t put a good team around an ATG player and there’s a sense that they’re wasting said ATG’s career.

How though if this team just recently won a chip. Winning a chip is hard, just because you're a great player doesn't mean you're destined to get one let alone more. The nuggets have done right by jokic imo. Even now the series isn't even over and folks are writing them off.

I mean when you give two max contracts to two guys who have never sniffed an all-star selection and also have a history of injury troubles, you’re just handicapping yourself in a big way under the current CBA.

[BigGargamel]

It's sad how many people act like this Denver team is trash. They've battled injuries and replacing a coach recently and are still putting up a fight against a great team.

They aren’t. They have Jokic, who will go down as an ATG, Gordon who has played like an all-star this playoffs, Braun who’s solid and Murray who can be a fireball when he’s hot but most of the time infuriatingly inconsistent. Everyone else isn’t exactly wanting to say the least.

The complaints about the Nuggets isn’t that they’re trash, it’s that they really haven’t put a good team around an ATG player and there’s a sense that they’re wasting said ATG’s career.

How though if this team just recently won a chip. Winning a chip is hard, just because you're a great player doesn't mean you're destined to get one let alone more. The nuggets have done right by jokic imo. Even now the series isn't even over and folks are writing them off.

Okay, and?

A small market team can't afford to be complacent. Even someone as loyal as Jokic, we are seeing cracks in the armor with the way this team has played most of the season. Even Giannis is having second thoughts. You are only one bad season away from your superstar wanting out.

The Lakers can afford to mess around because they'll always attract free agents. So will the Knicks and Heat. The Nuggets won't. The pressure will always be on, especially when you have that all time great in the middle of his prime. Back to back second round exits with a five time (should be) MVP is not good enough. He's about to be 30. It won't last forever.

[FarBeyondDriven]

getting anything positive at all from either MPJ or Westbrook and the Nuggets win this series. If I'm Jokic I'm out. I'm not spending the back 1/3 of my career with a clueless organization that has no future hopes of winning a championship. I force a trade to a warm destination or at least somewhere better than Denver to live in, maybe with less taxes. The Nuggets have done Jokic dirty just like the Bucks did with Giannis. Players like these two have given their cities enough and they don't deserve to keep them.

[Castle Black]

I don't think they can honestly. That's the problem. They are in cap hell because they gave out two horrible contracts by giving Murray a Max Contract when he's not worth anywhere near that, and gave MPJ $40M/year (!!) to be terrible at basketball. Nobody is taking on MPJ's garbage contract without a lot of draft capital attached to it and Denver doesn't even own 2 of their next 3 First Round Picks. Their Front Office should be ashamed at the situation they've put themselves in and the way they're wasting their generational player's prime.

He won't do it, but Jokić should 100% pull a LeBron and leave Denver. They have proven multiple years now that they have no idea how to build a team around a generational player. He's going to waste his entire prime playing for this dysfunctional organization. He needs to get out of there if he's serious about winning Championships, which I know he is.

[Wolfgang630]

Yeah there’s nothing they can really trade to get better. It’s either Jokic demands a trade or Denver is able to pick up a couple of very good bench players and run it again.

[mcmurphy]

Optms and other LAL fans would be happy to trade for superstar Murray and MPJ thinking about all the times they praise Murray and blame Jokic...
I am ok for Murray and pick for the fat lard Luka

[Marvel]

I always thought that MPJ contract was pure idiocy and still do. Who the F thought it was a good idea to pay that bum that contract? Stevie Wonder?

[Swift21]

It's going to be hard to move that MPJ contract unless it's a bad contract for bad contract swap.

[iggymcfrack]

The problem is MPJ probably has dog **** trade value. Everyone sees how much of a scrub he is with the amount of money he makes and Murray is not a real number 2 and is very inconsistent. What can they even get?

Maybe Jrue Holiday and one of the Celtics' bench guys? Boston's gonna wanna shed salary next year and Jrue has 4 years left while Porter only has 2 and the second's only partially guaranteed. Maybe it could even be a 3-teamer where Boston receives a cheaper younger player in exchange and Boston and Denver both give the third team picks to take Porter.

[tsamo]

Murray and MPJ for Dame and Kuzma. Who says no?!

[Alatan]

MPJ would be a good fit for the Lakers with Lebron and Luka. Reaves + filler for MPJ. Idk if MPJ is as negative asset

Is this the Lakers redeeming themselves for stealing Doncic?

[Alatan]

Lakers get Murray

Denver get Reaves+Rui+Kleber

Deal, not takebacks.

[guynumber45]

MPJ is the definition of a losing player. A player whose entire productivity relies on whether his 3 point shot is falling is not a player you want as a key member of your starting lineup, let alone being paid a max contract.
I remember during the Nuggets championship run, Malone often pulled MPJ for Bruce Brown to close games.

If you can replace MPJ with a guy like Wiggins, I think the Nuggets would be 10x better on both ends of the floor.

[Alatan]

Yeah there’s nothing they can really trade to get better. It’s either Jokic demands a trade or Denver is able to pick up a couple of very good bench players and run it again.

Can Denver even sign anyone now that they are i cap hell?

[Alatan]

I always thought that MPJ contract was pure idiocy and still do. Who the F thought it was a good idea to pay that bum that contract? Stevie Wonder?

There are rumors that MPJ is a nepo-baby. Some in his family went to college and are friends with the owners and all that.

[Alatan]

There is nothing that Nuggets can really do.
MPJ has negative trade value.
Murray probably has negative or close to nothing trade value.
Their "young" guys are bad.
They have few distant 1st round picks.
They have no 2nd round picks.
They are over the 2nd apron in cap hell.
Brain and Watson are on the last year of their rookie contracts next season.
DeAndre Jordan and Westbrook are free agents.
They have no bench.

The only possible moves would be to try and get something for AG, Braun and Watson, but they cant consolidate those guys for a better player because they lack depth and they dont get better by trading them for more worse players.

The only real move is to trade Jokic and rebuild.