Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Cammo101]

With 76ers 3rd pick this year, they can draft that Rutgers PG. My question is are they parting ways with Tyrese Maxey? Even Joel Embiid? Anyone think they are finally done with his unavailability?

I know Giannis is going to be one of the biggest stories this summer. But he is going to cost a ton for sure and also I think he could determine where he wants to go.

KD is on the move. Again, Is it feasible for the Magic? He is owed 50M in salary plus he has one year left on his contract. Will he resign?

Orlando is a small market. We do not have the luxury like LA or NY or Chicago. That is probably the reason Jeff Weltman relied on Continuity and internal development. But now we gonna change phase to Win Now. Who knows what will happen. But gonna be very interesting and fun

Dylan Harper ain't making it to pick 3.

[TheChaser]

I love that I can come here and read what you guys have to say before I go to any other website. Some seriously good ideas in this thread.

[BadMofoPimp]

If Giannis is looking at his future, I bet it has nothing to do with playing center for the Magic.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If Giannis is looking at his future, I bet it has nothing to do with playing center for the Magic.

Looking at the current landscape, if I were Giannis Miami makes a lot of sense to me. He stays in a weak East, no state tax and an owner/upper management willing to do what it takes to compete.

Giannis has a family and kids, his next destination is going to be about more than just basketball. Dude is coming from Milwaukee and spent his entire career in the cold.

The issue is Miami doesn’t have the assets to acquire Giannis so it will take a lot of maneuvering.

My other options would be HOU/SAS. Goes out to a lot more competitive West, but goes to one of the two best up and coming teams. Good management, no state tax and good weather.

I would out my money on those three teams if I were a betting man.

[BadMofoPimp]

Found this in a year old discussion on Sexton's defense from General Board. Even though Sexton puts in a lot of effort, he's still a horrendous defender. Basically, he is Cole Anthony 2.0 with better shooting percentages. Magic fans would flip on him within the first 3-5 months easily hating on him then we would see the "we should have went after Simons posts." I would shoot for him, but only as a backup to take Coles spot being Sexton shoots better.

D-DPM: -1.83
D-EPM: -2.4

Bad Team Defense

No communication on switch even though Sexton attempts to cheat a flare screen for Trent. Sexton absolutely has time to get back, but anticipates switching onto VanVleet, but still without communication.

Doesn't anticipate the pin-down screen (idk what he was expecting bc he just sticks around in the paint).

Okoro calls for the switch seeing the pin-down coming, but Sexton doesn't hear/listen and Trae is wide open

Bad 1-on-1 Defense

[89Magicfan]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

[jonbob17]

White is just better than Suggs and Suggs is not guaranteed to grow into anything beyond a higher-priced KCP (assuming he's even healthy). We know what White is - a perfect fit with Paolo & Franz offensively as well as a solid defender (not on Suggs' level, but ...AB might be soon). White is also locked up on a very reasonable multi-year deal until the end of the 27-28 season, followed by a player option for one more year at around $35m. This is me playing devil's advocate and trying to be objective about Suggs' value league-wide. We all love him, but we have to keep it real. Hauser, even with his raise to $10m, is a fantastic 3pt shooter and adequate elsewhere...In his 4 seasons, he's never been BELOW 41% from 3 and he's averaged as high as 43% in a season That's up there with anyone in the league, regardless of salary paid. He might just be a cap casualty and BOS will just move another guy into his spot and build their value up until they get priced out of the role. Baylor Scheiermann on deck.

I think it's moot because even if BOS gets spicy this summer, White would likely be the last to go other than Tatum. The only reason they entertain a White trade would be if they couldn't get a decent return for 34yo Jrue, having 3 more guaranteed years into the high $30's. Porzingis is physically damaged goods and Brown, while an absolutely elite player, makes a TON of money and still has holes in his game, notably playmaking.

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Derrick White wasn't a consistent 3 point shooter until his 2nd season in Boston at age 27. He's a very good defender, but he doesn't have the athleticism and size(muscle) Suggs has.

Now Suggs may never be as good offensively as the current version of Derrick White, and the lost efficiency was terrible this year. If Suggs would have maintained his efficiency from the 2023-24 on the this year's volume he would have scored 18.4 PPG in just 28.6 minutes a game. The FT% was encouraging.

I reckon playing in an offense as wide open as Boston is probably a huge boon for their players when it comes to open threes and space to get to the rim. Or think of this way going White going from arguably the best 3 point shooting team of all time to in all likelihood the worst of the modern era...or vice versa.

I don't think Suggs posted a career season at 22. He's in all likelihood going to be an incredible guard, maybe not exactly what we hoped for when we drafted him, but something really special. There is probably a pretty good argument that Suggs is already better than white and if 2024 is a better representation of Suggs shooting, he might be much better already.

No, there certainly isn't an argument that Suggs is already better than White

Suggs White
IF.... Did.....
If.... Doing...
If... Is....
Maybe.... Is...
But..... ....NO

I'm not anti-Suggs but you have to be realistic about what we've seen flashes of and what we've seen for years...not even mentioning the surgery

But your ignoring the environment Derrick White plays in vs the Magic. Did Derrick White magically turn into a good three point shooter when he got to Boston at age 27 or is it the surrounding talent and style of play allowed him to take the next step. This year Derrick white ranked third in wide open 3 point(defender > 6ft away) attempts per game at 4.4, behind Lamelo and Trae.

My inclination is to say if Suggs was on that Celtics he's have far better output that White. If memory serves Suggs was jacking up a bunch of tough threes early in the season, which is still his fault. Suggs more than double the number of threes off the dribble this year and only made 26% of those.

Did KCP lose his touch after 5 consecutive seasons over 39% or was it the Magic effect. If we traded Suggs for White, whose to say Suggs isn't a 40% 3 point shooter and White is at 32%. Suggs does have the one full season of shooting 40% from 3 and 60% TS.

[Skybox]

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Derrick White wasn't a consistent 3 point shooter until his 2nd season in Boston at age 27. He's a very good defender, but he doesn't have the athleticism and size(muscle) Suggs has.

Now Suggs may never be as good offensively as the current version of Derrick White, and the lost efficiency was terrible this year. If Suggs would have maintained his efficiency from the 2023-24 on the this year's volume he would have scored 18.4 PPG in just 28.6 minutes a game. The FT% was encouraging.

I reckon playing in an offense as wide open as Boston is probably a huge boon for their players when it comes to open threes and space to get to the rim. Or think of this way going White going from arguably the best 3 point shooting team of all time to in all likelihood the worst of the modern era...or vice versa.

I don't think Suggs posted a career season at 22. He's in all likelihood going to be an incredible guard, maybe not exactly what we hoped for when we drafted him, but something really special. There is probably a pretty good argument that Suggs is already better than white and if 2024 is a better representation of Suggs shooting, he might be much better already.

No, there certainly isn't an argument that Suggs is already better than White

Suggs White
IF.... Did.....
If.... Doing...
If... Is....
Maybe.... Is...
But..... ....NO

I'm not anti-Suggs but you have to be realistic about what we've seen flashes of and what we've seen for years...not even mentioning the surgery

But your ignoring the environment Derrick White plays in vs the the Magic. Did Derrick White magically turn into a good three point shooter when he got to Boston at age 27 or is it the surrounding talent and style of play allowed him to take the next step. This year Derrick white ranked third in wide open 3 point(defender > 6ft away) attempts per game at 4.4, behind Lamelo and Trae.

My inclination is to say if Suggs was on that Celtics he's have far better output that White. If memory serves Suggs was jacking up a bunch of tough threes early in the season, which is still his fault. Suggs more than double the number of threes off the dribble this year and only made 26% of those.

I just completely disagree. White was taking and making tough 3's all year...I just think he's offensively way ahead of Suggs.

I also don't really care about how people on here just want to "project" amazing outcomes from players that might or might not follow that trajectory of imagined development. Whether it's Suggs' 40% shooting, AB's amazing PG skills, or Isaac's availability...at this point in ORL's ascendance, I'm looking for what IS, not what MIGHT BE SOMEDAY. There's a very fair chance that (still a maybe at best) Suggs surpasses White's 3pt shooting, but IMO, there's very little chance that Suggs is ever the superior all around offensive player that White is.

[Skybox]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

Sounds great...no objections from anyone

Who?

and for what?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

Easier said than done.

Elite means likely being paid a max contract which does not work with our future finances.

Elite means high valued which then would require us to trade one of our core players or overpay using draft equity.

There’s also not many “elite” point guards available on the open market which is why the board is obsessing over players like Simons/Sexton.

Our best option is to find a player that has yet to break out or has shown glimpses of breaking out. Players like Coby White, Austin Reaves or Jaden Ivey.

The likely option is Orlando trading for a veteran that is overpaid, but can help in the right capacity. This player isn’t making a max, knows his role and can provide proven offensive help. Players like McCollum, Poole or Herro.

I have a weird feeling we end up with McCollum because he should in theory be cheap to acquire and our front office is boring and doesn’t possess much creativity. He’s a veteran, can score and is an expiring (which Weltman said they were looking for this past deadline).

[89Magicfan]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

Sounds great...no objections from anyone

Who?

and for what?

If I had time to sit and crunch numbers on who I would think I would. Wepark does though and I’m just trying to say find that guy.

[jonbob17]

No, there certainly isn't an argument that Suggs is already better than White

Suggs White
IF.... Did.....
If.... Doing...
If... Is....
Maybe.... Is...
But..... ....NO

I'm not anti-Suggs but you have to be realistic about what we've seen flashes of and what we've seen for years...not even mentioning the surgery

But your ignoring the environment Derrick White plays in vs the the Magic. Did Derrick White magically turn into a good three point shooter when he got to Boston at age 27 or is it the surrounding talent and style of play allowed him to take the next step. This year Derrick white ranked third in wide open 3 point(defender > 6ft away) attempts per game at 4.4, behind Lamelo and Trae.

My inclination is to say if Suggs was on that Celtics he's have far better output that White. If memory serves Suggs was jacking up a bunch of tough threes early in the season, which is still his fault. Suggs more than double the number of threes off the dribble this year and only made 26% of those.

I just completely disagree. White was taking and making tough 3's all year...I just think he's offensively way ahead of Suggs.

I also don't really care about how people on here just want to "project" amazing outcomes from players that might or might not follow that trajectory of imagined development. Whether it's Suggs' 40% shooting, AB's amazing PG skills, or Isaac's availability...at this point in ORL's ascendance, I'm looking for what IS, not what MIGHT BE SOMEDAY. There's a very fair chance that (still a maybe at best) Suggs surpasses White's 3pt shooting, but IMO, there's very little chance that Suggs is ever the superior all around offensive player that White is.

You realize how Boston got White. They traded for a good defensive guard, below average 3 point shooter who had dealt with some injuries. Derrick White for Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, and the 25th pick. Guess what. The Celtics projected his growth, and he was way older than Suggs

You pay for similar guys that have already reached their potential and they are called Fred Van Vleet. $43M

[BadMofoPimp]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

Sounds great...no objections from anyone

Who?

and for what?

All I hear is "I want All-Star level talent at all 5 positions" without anyone realizing this is a business first and that high level talent is not easily attainable at decent prices outside of NBA2k.

[basketballRob]

Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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[89Magicfan]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

Easier said than done.

Elite means likely being paid a max contract which does not work with our future finances.

Elite means high valued which then would require us to trade one of our core players or overpay using draft equity.

There’s also not many “elite” point guards available on the open market which is why the board is obsessing over players like Simons/Sexton.

Our best option is to find a player that has yet to break out or has shown glimpses of breaking out. Players like Coby White, Austin Reaves or Jaden Ivey.

The likely option is Orlando trading for a veteran that is overpaid, but can help in the right capacity. This player isn’t making a max, knows his role and can provide proven offensive help. Players like McCollum, Poole or Herro.

I have a weird feeling we end up with McCollum because he should in theory be cheap to acquire and our front office is boring and doesn’t possess much creativity. He’s a veteran, can score and is an expiring (which Weltman said they were looking for this past deadline).

I just think at some point excuses need to be thrown out and you go get what’s been needed for a while.

Maybe that is someone who’s on the cusp. Just go get him. You don’t give up Paolo. You don’t give up Franz unless it’s some generational disgruntled star. You don’t give up Suggs unless you have to and everyone else and picks are on the table.

Would love to keep AB but got to give to get sometimes.

[Skybox]

But your ignoring the environment Derrick White plays in vs the the Magic. Did Derrick White magically turn into a good three point shooter when he got to Boston at age 27 or is it the surrounding talent and style of play allowed him to take the next step. This year Derrick white ranked third in wide open 3 point(defender > 6ft away) attempts per game at 4.4, behind Lamelo and Trae.

My inclination is to say if Suggs was on that Celtics he's have far better output that White. If memory serves Suggs was jacking up a bunch of tough threes early in the season, which is still his fault. Suggs more than double the number of threes off the dribble this year and only made 26% of those.

I just completely disagree. White was taking and making tough 3's all year...I just think he's offensively way ahead of Suggs.

I also don't really care about how people on here just want to "project" amazing outcomes from players that might or might not follow that trajectory of imagined development. Whether it's Suggs' 40% shooting, AB's amazing PG skills, or Isaac's availability...at this point in ORL's ascendance, I'm looking for what IS, not what MIGHT BE SOMEDAY. There's a very fair chance that (still a maybe at best) Suggs surpasses White's 3pt shooting, but IMO, there's very little chance that Suggs is ever the superior all around offensive player that White is.

You realize how Boston got White. They traded for a good defensive guard, below average 3 point shooter who had dealt with some injuries. Derrick White for Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, and the 25th pick. Guess what. The Celtics projected his growth, and he was way older than Suggs

You pay for similar guys that have already reached their potential and they are called Fred Van Vleet. $43M

Why do I care about his origin story.?..he's better than Suggs today and possibly tomorrow.

He'd be a dream acquisition, especially if we kept Suggs...which, btw, would be most likely because the ONLY reason White might be on the table is because BOS neeeds to cut $$$...Suggs makes significantly more than White next year...so, it's far from an obvious flip.

[basketballRob]

We could trade Isaac straight up for CJ Mccollum on draft night. We just need to get within 125%. We might need to add Corey.

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[Skybox]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

Easier said than done.

Elite means likely being paid a max contract which does not work with our future finances.

Elite means high valued which then would require us to trade one of our core players or overpay using draft equity.

There’s also not many “elite” point guards available on the open market which is why the board is obsessing over players like Simons/Sexton.

Our best option is to find a player that has yet to break out or has shown glimpses of breaking out. Players like Coby White, Austin Reaves or Jaden Ivey.

The likely option is Orlando trading for a veteran that is overpaid, but can help in the right capacity. This player isn’t making a max, knows his role and can provide proven offensive help. Players like McCollum, Poole or Herro.

I have a weird feeling we end up with McCollum because he should in theory be cheap to acquire and our front office is boring and doesn’t possess much creativity. He’s a veteran, can score and is an expiring (which Weltman said they were looking for this past deadline).

Good ones...here's how I'd classify them (each with some story, real or imagined, why they might be available):

Home runs: Derrick White, Tyler Herro, Austin Reaves

Solid, but limited shots: Simons, Sexton, Coby

Huge upside (bigger than Solid, but limited guys) but much bigger risk of costly fail: McCollum, Poole, Jrue

Easy to get psyched about and then reality hits and it's probably mediocre: Ty Jerome, Tyus, Huerter/Kennard/Trent, etc

[Skybox]

Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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I don't think that's accurate...I'd like to be wrong. Aren't trades based on next year's salary?
(not asking you Rob - I see your position)

[Magic#1]

Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.

Sounds great...no objections from anyone

Who?

and for what?

If Phoenix does have to deal Durant and doesn't get all-star level talent back, I could see Booker wanting out too. Give them their pick back, other picks and any combo of players outside of Suggs/Franz/Paolo. I'm thinking JI, AB, Cole and probably either Goga or WCJ and that gets a conversation.
I know Book probably has interest in the Pistons and they could put together something too, but I'd think we could put together an equal offer to them. You got a team of Suggs/Book/Franz/Paolo/Whoever for the next four to five years and we could really win a championship.