2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Nobody benefits more from rigged NBA lotteries than the Spurs.

Whatever you need to keep telling yourself to get through this, you know I’m here for you brother!!

[DayofMourning]

Just for fun:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=mobleev01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=adebaba01&p2yrfrom=2021&p2yrto=2021

[Flash4thewin]

It's whatever for me about Copper. We couldn't have known in advance that the #11 will jump to #1. Chit happens.

But we do know is that by conveying the 2025 pick to OKC we now have our own 2026 and 2027 picks, and it's totally up to us if we want to add 2 high lottery picks in the next 2 years or do we want to go after old pre-retirement mercenaries.

I'm in the camp of go full youth movement - use the next 2 years to developed the young guys, sell off the old guys, add high picks, and start a new era.

If they go the other direction, in a couple of years this entire fan base will be crying about how miserable things are.

So stop crying about Copper Flag and start worrying about things we can actually control and plan for.

Can we even add two high lottery picks? I forgot what the deal was with the Terry pick, that might put a hamper on the tanking idea.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Miami Heat just releases a special on Davion Mitchell. Is it a sign, maybe?

He’s definitely coming back. The biggest reason why Duncan will not get traded and just simply released for the 10 million in cap space. Team is going to need the close to 20 million in space to match Mitchell contract and sign the 20th pick if we keep it which comes in at 4 million.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It's whatever for me about Copper. We couldn't have known in advance that the #11 will jump to #1. Chit happens.

But we do know is that by conveying the 2025 pick to OKC we now have our own 2026 and 2027 picks, and it's totally up to us if we want to add 2 high lottery picks in the next 2 years or do we want to go after old pre-retirement mercenaries.

I'm in the camp of go full youth movement - use the next 2 years to developed the young guys, sell off the old guys, add high picks, and start a new era.

If they go the other direction, in a couple of years this entire fan base will be crying about how miserable things are.

So stop crying about Copper Flag and start worrying about things we can actually control and plan for.

Can we even add two high lottery picks? I forgot what the deal was with the Terry pick, that might put a hamper on the tanking idea.

2027 hornets pick is lottery protected but forwards to 2028 unprotected if not conveyed.

[DayofMourning]

It's whatever for me about Copper. We couldn't have known in advance that the #11 will jump to #1. Chit happens.

But we do know is that by conveying the 2025 pick to OKC we now have our own 2026 and 2027 picks, and it's totally up to us if we want to add 2 high lottery picks in the next 2 years or do we want to go after old pre-retirement mercenaries.

I'm in the camp of go full youth movement - use the next 2 years to developed the young guys, sell off the old guys, add high picks, and start a new era.

If they go the other direction, in a couple of years this entire fan base will be crying about how miserable things are.

So stop crying about Copper Flag and start worrying about things we can actually control and plan for.

Can we even add two high lottery picks? I forgot what the deal was with the Terry pick, that might put a hamper on the tanking idea.

Terry pick protected 1-14, just like the OKC pick situation.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Nobody benefits more from rigged NBA lotteries than the Spurs.

Whatever you need to keep telling yourself to get through this, you know I’m here for you brother!!

Thanks man

[Lennyzinho]

Why would the Celtics trade Brown? Holiday is the guy they need to move. He turns 35 in a month and > $35 million each of the next 3 years is way too much to pay him at this point. Porzingis and White and Horford also need to go. It was fun (for them) while it lasted, but now it's time to move on and rebuild around Brown and Tatum.

The Tatum injury is absolutely brutal for them, it shatters the entire timeline for all the players involved. As you rightly noted, Harford is not resigned and they still have 225m on their payroll! KP and Jrue are almost certainly gone

Fitting ~$30M of KP/Jrue salary into another team’s cap without taking much back isn’t easy, but it’s something they’ll have to do. Expect them to get under the second apron, that’s likely a clear organizational goal, both to avoid frozen draft picks and to re enable basic roster building tools.

They’ll need to shed ~$20M just to get below the second apron, and another ~$20M to fully escape the repeater tax in a season where Brown and White are your best players.

Let’s be real: the Celtics might be a play-in team next year, with three of their top five guys (Tatum, KP, Jrue) out of the picture.

I also wouldn’t automatically assume they keep building with Tatum/Brown/White long term. If they were ever going to move Brown, this is about as good a time as you’ll get. It’s definitely not off the table. GMs don’t think like fans, they’ll deal with any team if the return fits their goals. Sure, trading with a conference rival isn’t ideal, but it’s not some major deterrent either.

Brown's contract isn't the most enticing. I could definitely see Boston trying to move off him

I still think rockets and ime udoka goes after jaylen brown. Especially when you saw how much difficulty they had scoring in playoffs. And they have plenty of young players and smaller contracts and picks. And jaylen works age wise with their young dudes like Amen Thompson. Unlike KD who is 10 years older than Jaylen.

Not saying it'll happen. I think the most likely is they move jrue like yall mentioned. And they make Pritchard a starter with White. Horford a free agent and he gave them a discount when he resigned for 2-20M. Who knows maybe now he takes a 2-10M? He seems to love it there. I'd love horford backing up bam and ware and getting rid of Love. Would be a dream. Dude can still play. Depends how bad he wants to compete. And if Celtics move KP, I don't see how they don't keep horford to play with Kornet and Hauser.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just for fun:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=mobleev01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=adebaba01&p2yrfrom=2021&p2yrto=2021

Edrice with a finals trip under his belt where he was elite by the way as well.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Boston ain’t trading chit to the Miami Heat. They will scour every other team around the NBA before they trade their vets here.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Tatum injury is absolutely brutal for them, it shatters the entire timeline for all the players involved. As you rightly noted, Harford is not resigned and they still have 225m on their payroll! KP and Jrue are almost certainly gone

Fitting ~$30M of KP/Jrue salary into another team’s cap without taking much back isn’t easy, but it’s something they’ll have to do. Expect them to get under the second apron, that’s likely a clear organizational goal, both to avoid frozen draft picks and to re enable basic roster building tools.

They’ll need to shed ~$20M just to get below the second apron, and another ~$20M to fully escape the repeater tax in a season where Brown and White are your best players.

Let’s be real: the Celtics might be a play-in team next year, with three of their top five guys (Tatum, KP, Jrue) out of the picture.

I also wouldn’t automatically assume they keep building with Tatum/Brown/White long term. If they were ever going to move Brown, this is about as good a time as you’ll get. It’s definitely not off the table. GMs don’t think like fans, they’ll deal with any team if the return fits their goals. Sure, trading with a conference rival isn’t ideal, but it’s not some major deterrent either.

Brown's contract isn't the most enticing. I could definitely see Boston trying to move off him

I still think rockets and ime udoka goes after jaylen brown. Especially when you saw how much difficulty they had scoring in playoffs. And they have plenty of young players and smaller contracts and picks. And jaylen works age wise with their young dudes like Amen Thompson. Unlike KD who is 10 years older than Jaylen.

Not saying it'll happen. I think the most likely is they move jrue like yall mentioned. And they make Pritchard a starter with White. Horford a free agent and he gave them a discount when he resigned for 2-20M. Who knows maybe now he takes a 2-10M? He seems to love it there. I'd love horford backing up bam and ware and getting rid of Love. Would be a dream. Dude can still play. Depends how bad he wants to compete. And if Celtics move KP, I don't see how they don't keep horford to play with Kornet and Hauser.

I’ve been starting to think this as well. Apparently Houston isn’t too interested in the rumored names out there so far and I don’t think Giannis will be interested in them either, maybe Brown is on the move to Houston. Idk though, hard seeing them split up the most successful duo in the league over the last however many years they’ve been together (unless I’m just completely forgetting someone)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Boston ain’t trading chit to the Miami Heat. They will scour every other team around the NBA before they trade their vets here.

We’re trading for Tatum and tanking the year!

[greg4012]

Boston ain’t trading chit to the Miami Heat. They will scour every other team around the NBA before they trade their vets here.

If anything Boston will go out of its way to have whatever transaction they're executing interfere with whatever Miami is trying to do.

[VaDe255]

The Tatum injury is absolutely brutal for them, it shatters the entire timeline for all the players involved. As you rightly noted, Harford is not resigned and they still have 225m on their payroll! KP and Jrue are almost certainly gone

Fitting ~$30M of KP/Jrue salary into another team’s cap without taking much back isn’t easy, but it’s something they’ll have to do. Expect them to get under the second apron, that’s likely a clear organizational goal, both to avoid frozen draft picks and to re enable basic roster building tools.

They’ll need to shed ~$20M just to get below the second apron, and another ~$20M to fully escape the repeater tax in a season where Brown and White are your best players.

Let’s be real: the Celtics might be a play-in team next year, with three of their top five guys (Tatum, KP, Jrue) out of the picture.

I also wouldn’t automatically assume they keep building with Tatum/Brown/White long term. If they were ever going to move Brown, this is about as good a time as you’ll get. It’s definitely not off the table. GMs don’t think like fans, they’ll deal with any team if the return fits their goals. Sure, trading with a conference rival isn’t ideal, but it’s not some major deterrent either.

Brown's contract isn't the most enticing. I could definitely see Boston trying to move off him

I still think rockets and ime udoka goes after jaylen brown. Especially when you saw how much difficulty they had scoring in playoffs. And they have plenty of young players and smaller contracts and picks. And jaylen works age wise with their young dudes like Amen Thompson. Unlike KD who is 10 years older than Jaylen.

Not saying it'll happen. I think the most likely is they move jrue like yall mentioned. And they make Pritchard a starter with White. Horford a free agent and he gave them a discount when he resigned for 2-20M. Who knows maybe now he takes a 2-10M? He seems to love it there. I'd love horford backing up bam and ware and getting rid of Love. Would be a dream. Dude can still play. Depends how bad he wants to compete. And if Celtics move KP, I don't see how they don't keep horford to play with Kornet and Hauser.

It's difficult for me to judge the value of Brown. He was a fringe top 40 player this season, I know that sounds crazy, but his numbers just aren’t that strong:
- 32% from three (hasn't been shooting well for a while, even last season)
- 56% true shooting
- Good, but not elite defensively
- Can’t really trust him as a ball handler
- What I do like is that he can bully smaller or weaker defenders and get to the rim, that’s where his value lies

That said, he’s on a supermax and I’d imagine there aren’t many teams that both want him and can absorb that salary into their cap.
The Heat just happen to be one of the few teams that could make it work and on paper, he’d fit.

Still… not even sure they’d want him, because that contract is coocoo.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

To be clear, I like Mobley. Cavs should actually trade Allen and send any assets they can to Miami and get Bam and then they’ll likely win it all next year. But people have been acting like he’s gods gift to earth ever since he stepped into the league, he’s not even better than Bam was at his age outside of 3 point shooting and I watched the dude get torched multiple times in the clutch last night.

How soon they forget, hopefully we’ll build a great roster this summer in a wide open East so he can remind everyone.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Brown's contract isn't the most enticing. I could definitely see Boston trying to move off him

I still think rockets and ime udoka goes after jaylen brown. Especially when you saw how much difficulty they had scoring in playoffs. And they have plenty of young players and smaller contracts and picks. And jaylen works age wise with their young dudes like Amen Thompson. Unlike KD who is 10 years older than Jaylen.

Not saying it'll happen. I think the most likely is they move jrue like yall mentioned. And they make Pritchard a starter with White. Horford a free agent and he gave them a discount when he resigned for 2-20M. Who knows maybe now he takes a 2-10M? He seems to love it there. I'd love horford backing up bam and ware and getting rid of Love. Would be a dream. Dude can still play. Depends how bad he wants to compete. And if Celtics move KP, I don't see how they don't keep horford to play with Kornet and Hauser.

It's difficult for me to judge the value of Brown. He was a fringe top 40 player this season, I know that sounds crazy, but his numbers just aren’t that strong:
- 32% from three (hasn't been shooting well for a while, even last season)
- 56% true shooting
- Good, but not elite defensively
- Can’t really trust him as a ball handler
- What I do like is that he can bully smaller or weaker defenders and get to the rim, that’s where his value lies

That said, he’s on a supermax and I’d imagine there aren’t many teams that both want him and can absorb that salary into their cap.
The Heat just happen to be one of the few teams that could make it work and on paper, he’d fit.

Still… not even sure they’d want him, because that contract is coocoo.

I wouldn’t be mad to have him but I’ve never been too impressed with him overall and that contract is crippling.

[greg4012]

Brown's contract isn't the most enticing. I could definitely see Boston trying to move off him

I still think rockets and ime udoka goes after jaylen brown. Especially when you saw how much difficulty they had scoring in playoffs. And they have plenty of young players and smaller contracts and picks. And jaylen works age wise with their young dudes like Amen Thompson. Unlike KD who is 10 years older than Jaylen.

Not saying it'll happen. I think the most likely is they move jrue like yall mentioned. And they make Pritchard a starter with White. Horford a free agent and he gave them a discount when he resigned for 2-20M. Who knows maybe now he takes a 2-10M? He seems to love it there. I'd love horford backing up bam and ware and getting rid of Love. Would be a dream. Dude can still play. Depends how bad he wants to compete. And if Celtics move KP, I don't see how they don't keep horford to play with Kornet and Hauser.

It's difficult for me to judge the value of Brown. He was a fringe top 40 player this season, I know that sounds crazy, but his numbers just aren’t that strong:
- 32% from three (hasn't been shooting well for a while, even last season)
- 56% true shooting
- Good, but not elite defensively
- Can’t really trust him as a ball handler
- What I do like is that he can bully smaller or weaker defenders and get to the rim, that’s where his value lies

That said, he’s on a supermax and I’d imagine there aren’t many teams that both want him and can absorb that salary into their cap.
The Heat just happen to be one of the few teams that could make it work and on paper, he’d fit.

Still… not even sure they’d want him, because that contract is coocoo.

That's exactly why Boston may shop him and point to their dire cap situation as "the only reason" they're even considering it. They'll act like the other team is getting a "steal" due to rare circumstance and they'll end up benefiting from it and probably adding draft capital and a similar level impact player.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Boston do a pseudo-tank next season to secure a high pick while Tatum is out and restructure their roster.

[DayofMourning]

Just for fun part 2:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=wareke01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=mobleev01&p2yrfrom=2022&p2yrto=2022

[batterybro42]

The way it sounds Houston will likely not be a big chaser this offseason. I don't think a guy like KD or even Giannis makes sense for them. What they don't need to do is bust up their core and move too early. Green and Sengun are 23 and 22 years old respectively if the Rockets are smart they continue to accumulate assets, and young moveable players, and focus on getting a star that will line up with their timelines likely in the summer of 26. Pulling the trigger on Giannis for them could backfire pretty badly if that team can't win a title, which I do not believe it can if we are all going to be honest about it.

I do not see why the Spurs would be eager to jeopardize their amazing position to go all in either. If you are them I would really want to make sure Wemby is good moving forward before I pull the trigger, and dump my war chest. They have the flexibility and time to be patient here.

I think because of where certain teams are this trade market may be in our favor come the time. Sure some teams can outbid us an offer 4 or 5 firsts. But if Miami is willing to go with 3 FRPs and 3 pick swaps, along with some of the pieces we have to move I think we will be able to compete with what anybody out there is WILLING to offer. I do think Giannis or AD is in the realm of possibility. A lot of people saw what happened to the Suns who blew up a young team with amazing potential that had the ability to continue to grow organically, in favor of win now players to go all in. Instead of having a sustained title window that may have ran for a decade or more, they are now looking at an extremely bleak future, and will have to blow the team up, and start over. Same thing happened with the Nets, same deal with the 76ers.

We are uniquely positioned where we do have the assets to make a reasonable offer, but also have the right amount of urgency and desperation to actually go all in.

You know 80 year old Riley saw Tatum go down, and probably realizes this next year is his big shot at one last ring if he can put it together

[Kobewade11]

Just for fun part 2:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=wareke01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=mobleev01&p2yrfrom=2022&p2yrto=2022

Interesting, Ware compares very favorably across the board with Mobley's rookie year..with the latter being a better passer at the same stage.