2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Covi_Marsh]

I personally just will always go wing over guard more times then not because wings are much harder to find then scoring or defensive guards. Guards have to be able to get to the rim at will for me take their upside. Ant Edwards, Cade Cunningham, Ja Morant etc. there’s just too many guards that can give you 20 if you give them attempts every draft. I would love Tre Johnson even tho he doesn’t get to the rim either, if he played defense like his measurables say he should be able to.

[mksp]

if i had to bet money on the pick, it would be on VJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6344540/2025/05/12/nba-draft-2025-prospects-cooper-flagg-dylan-harper/

Edgecombe was old for a freshman (he turns 20 in July), he faces questions about his long-range shooting and he might only be a one-position player. That said, he has the talent to be special, and I thought hard about putting him at No. 2. Athletically, he has a different gear, blasting off into drives into the paint and elevating with ease at the cup for his finishes.

Edgecombe also shows flashes of being an absolute monster on defense with his lateral quickness and hands, poaching 3.3 steals per 100 possessions in Big 12 games. Edgecombe’s first slide can be a bit sluggish, but he shocks shooters springing off the floor to contest shots with his length.

Offensively, Edgecombe’s shot looked like a project early in the season, but he seemed to fix a couple of flaws as the year went on. In Big 12 games, he shot 39.1 percent from 3 and 81.7 percent from the line. The vexing part is that he only shot 50.0 percent on 2s for the season, despite his incredible physical tools. Edgecombe has a pretty limited handle at this point, one that likely constrains him to playing off the ball or as a secondary creator, and he needs to refine his finishing package off the dribble and at the rim.

However, the Victor Oladipo comparisons here are obvious and the background on Edgecombe is off-the-charts positive. If I had the second pick, my war room would spend a lot of time arguing about Edgecombe vs. Harper.

[Stanford]

if i had to bet money on the pick, it would be on VJ.

Agreed. Five-star recruit with off-the-charts positive background and great production as a freshman. Absolutely sounds like a Morey guy.

[FireMorey]

Does Morey even have a type? The dude was in love with James Harden. A lazy SOB who played no defense and lollygagged whenever he felt like it. He drafted an unathletic Jared McCain because he can shoot the lights out.

I don't think there is really a Morey type to pin down. I think he just pursues guys who he thinks will have the best chance at becoming a superstar and doesn't necessarily focus on one individual trait over another, except maybe shooting. Morey really values 3 point shooting.

[Iverson Armband]

VJ is almost a year and half older than the other elite prospects in this draft. Ughhh.

[Stanford]

Does Morey even have a type? The dude was in love with James Harden. A lazy SOB who played no defense and lollygagged whenever he felt like it.

There are different versions of Morey. Sixers Morey has tended towards high-character five-star high school players regardless of their college output. A good example being...

He drafted an unathletic Jared McCain because he can shoot the lights out.

If you say so. I think he drafted McCain because he was a highly ranked recruit who they identified as a killer competitor and a hard worker.

I think he... doesn't necessarily focus on one individual trait over another.

Yes, exactly.

[Negrodamus]

I think it's VJ or Queen. Both had excellent advance stats this year. Both were top 15 RSCI. Both were asked to run the offense quite a bit.

[Stanford]

The Ace-Tatum stuff is hilarious. Go watch a video of Tatum at Duke. It's highlight after highlight of him getting to the rim and finishing unassisted.

Watch on YouTube

There is no comparison.

[76ciology]

Morey was asked to confirm that the organization’s plan was to take a player with the third pick, which he did.

“Yeah, that’s the plan, I think,” Morey said. “To get a high upside player that we also think can contribute right away is a big deal, and we feel like three is a great spot to be.”

[stormi]

if i had to bet money on the pick, it would be on VJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6344540/2025/05/12/nba-draft-2025-prospects-cooper-flagg-dylan-harper/

Edgecombe was old for a freshman (he turns 20 in July), he faces questions about his long-range shooting and he might only be a one-position player. That said, he has the talent to be special, and I thought hard about putting him at No. 2. Athletically, he has a different gear, blasting off into drives into the paint and elevating with ease at the cup for his finishes.

Edgecombe also shows flashes of being an absolute monster on defense with his lateral quickness and hands, poaching 3.3 steals per 100 possessions in Big 12 games. Edgecombe’s first slide can be a bit sluggish, but he shocks shooters springing off the floor to contest shots with his length.

Offensively, Edgecombe’s shot looked like a project early in the season, but he seemed to fix a couple of flaws as the year went on. In Big 12 games, he shot 39.1 percent from 3 and 81.7 percent from the line. The vexing part is that he only shot 50.0 percent on 2s for the season, despite his incredible physical tools. Edgecombe has a pretty limited handle at this point, one that likely constrains him to playing off the ball or as a secondary creator, and he needs to refine his finishing package off the dribble and at the rim.

However, the Victor Oladipo comparisons here are obvious and the background on Edgecombe is off-the-charts positive. If I had the second pick, my war room would spend a lot of time arguing about Edgecombe vs. Harper.

He's on an island at #3 for me. If Harper is there then you draft him immediately, but VJ is just far superior to everyone else.

Bailey is getting make-a-wish treatment from a fanbase that's suffered from a lack of athletic wings that could dribble + pass + shoot for the entirety of Joel Embiid's tenure bar 5 minutes of Jimmy Butler and are using that to artificially grant draft points to the first wing in arms reach.

Ace finished the season on an 11 game stretch where he shot 41.1% from the field and 17.9% from three with a negative BPM and 46% TS.

He's not even good for NCAA standards, would be one of the worst college players to ever get a top three draft slot.

Considering our GM is a godfather of sports analytics, my gut tells me the chance of Ace ending up in Philadelphia this June are minimal. Would probably be a fun acquisition in 7 or 8 years when he's in FA worthy of a Kelly Oubre type of prove-it contract.

[Covi_Marsh]

if i had to bet money on the pick, it would be on VJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6344540/2025/05/12/nba-draft-2025-prospects-cooper-flagg-dylan-harper/

Edgecombe was old for a freshman (he turns 20 in July), he faces questions about his long-range shooting and he might only be a one-position player. That said, he has the talent to be special, and I thought hard about putting him at No. 2. Athletically, he has a different gear, blasting off into drives into the paint and elevating with ease at the cup for his finishes.

Edgecombe also shows flashes of being an absolute monster on defense with his lateral quickness and hands, poaching 3.3 steals per 100 possessions in Big 12 games. Edgecombe’s first slide can be a bit sluggish, but he shocks shooters springing off the floor to contest shots with his length.

Offensively, Edgecombe’s shot looked like a project early in the season, but he seemed to fix a couple of flaws as the year went on. In Big 12 games, he shot 39.1 percent from 3 and 81.7 percent from the line. The vexing part is that he only shot 50.0 percent on 2s for the season, despite his incredible physical tools. Edgecombe has a pretty limited handle at this point, one that likely constrains him to playing off the ball or as a secondary creator, and he needs to refine his finishing package off the dribble and at the rim.

However, the Victor Oladipo comparisons here are obvious and the background on Edgecombe is off-the-charts positive. If I had the second pick, my war room would spend a lot of time arguing about Edgecombe vs. Harper.

Great in transition and a run runner so fits Morey ball in that aspect. Where do we see his ceiling? Victor Oladipo, smaller Jaylen Brown?

[Negrodamus]

Morey was asked to confirm that the organization’s plan was to take a player with the third pick, which he did.

“Yeah, that’s the plan, I think,” Morey said. “To get a high upside player that we also think can contribute right away is a big deal, and we feel like three is a great spot to be.”

So none of these guys who have zero muscle mass or bulk.

[76ciology]

There are 9 prospects that will be less than 19 years old on draft night

Cooper Flagg
Jeremiah Fears
Ace Bailey
Khaman Maluach
Noa Essengue
Joan Beringer
Boogie Fland
Rocco Zikarsky
Michael Ruzic

Last time 8+ 18 yr olds got drafted was '04

[76ciology]

Morey was asked to confirm that the organization’s plan was to take a player with the third pick, which he did.

“Yeah, that’s the plan, I think,” Morey said. “To get a high upside player that we also think can contribute right away is a big deal, and we feel like three is a great spot to be.”

So none of these guys who have zero muscle mass or bulk.

Two guys who fits that description for me is Edgecombe and Maluach. Both also played against grown men internationally.

..but also

Spoiler:

[stormi]

There are 9 prospects that will be less than 19 years old on draft night

Cooper Flagg
Jeremiah Fears
Ace Bailey
Khaman Maluach
Noa Essengue
Joan Beringer
Boogie Fland
Rocco Zikarsky
Michael Ruzic

Last time 8+ 18 yr olds got drafted was '04

Trade back and select Essengue

[Jailblazers7]

I don’t want a guy who’s known for tough shot taking/sometimes making at the college level.

It’s like a WR who’s known for making tough catches. Sure, George Pickens highlights look cool but you want the receiver who is always open because nobody can cover him.

[stormi]

I don’t want a guy who’s known for tough shot taking/sometimes making at the college level.

It’s like a WR who’s known for making tough catches. Sure, George Pickens highlights look cool but you want the receiver who is always open because nobody can cover him.

Flagg: Transcendent



Edgecombe: Very good



Adolescent Ace: Shambolic

[Negrodamus]

The issues I keep coming back to with Edgecombe is his astonishingly bad off ball defense and his sneaky poor % at the rim. The touch around the rim being so bad at times was not something I expected. Mix in that he's firmly a SG and is very skinny makes me somewhat scared to take him at 3. I'd love him at 5-10 though.

[Sixersftw]

I wanna like Queen but the sleevealytics are not on his side. I can't remember a big that rocked the fat kid at the pool look and succeeded. A perhaps fatal strike against him.

[Covi_Marsh]

if i had to bet money on the pick, it would be on VJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6344540/2025/05/12/nba-draft-2025-prospects-cooper-flagg-dylan-harper/

Edgecombe was old for a freshman (he turns 20 in July), he faces questions about his long-range shooting and he might only be a one-position player. That said, he has the talent to be special, and I thought hard about putting him at No. 2. Athletically, he has a different gear, blasting off into drives into the paint and elevating with ease at the cup for his finishes.

Edgecombe also shows flashes of being an absolute monster on defense with his lateral quickness and hands, poaching 3.3 steals per 100 possessions in Big 12 games. Edgecombe’s first slide can be a bit sluggish, but he shocks shooters springing off the floor to contest shots with his length.

Offensively, Edgecombe’s shot looked like a project early in the season, but he seemed to fix a couple of flaws as the year went on. In Big 12 games, he shot 39.1 percent from 3 and 81.7 percent from the line. The vexing part is that he only shot 50.0 percent on 2s for the season, despite his incredible physical tools. Edgecombe has a pretty limited handle at this point, one that likely constrains him to playing off the ball or as a secondary creator, and he needs to refine his finishing package off the dribble and at the rim.

However, the Victor Oladipo comparisons here are obvious and the background on Edgecombe is off-the-charts positive. If I had the second pick, my war room would spend a lot of time arguing about Edgecombe vs. Harper.

He's on an island at #3 for me. If Harper is there then you draft him immediately, but VJ is just far superior to everyone else.

Bailey is getting make-a-wish treatment from a fanbase that's suffered from a lack of athletic wings that could dribble + pass + shoot for the entirety of Joel Embiid's tenure bar 5 minutes of Jimmy Butler and are using that to artificially grant draft points to the first wing in arms reach.

Ace finished the season on an 11 game stretch where he shot 41.1% from the field and 17.9% from three with a negative BPM and 46% TS.

He's not even good for NCAA standards, would be one of the worst college players to ever get a top three draft slot.

Considering our GM is a godfather of sports analytics, my gut tells me the chance of Ace ending up in Philadelphia this June are minimal. Would probably be a fun acquisition in 7 or 8 years when he's in FA worthy of a Kelly Oubre type of prove-it contract.

To play devils advocate, Bailey shot that bad in the last 11 games and still have better FG% and 3P% then Edgecombe over the season lol. That would also mean that the first 19 games his numbers were highly efficient so there’s a glimpse of what he could be.