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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#561 » by PDXKnight » Mon May 12, 2025 10:14 pm

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This is the kind of nonsensical trade that Marang thinks POR might consider?

Really? You think so? No way HOU even considers that, that is an insulting ask. Sheppard #3 pick LY, Smith #3 pick in 22' AND multiple 1st round picks? Delusional.

I'd put it right up there with Simons to ORL for Franz Wagner

If Cronin is of this line of thinking, then yeah Simons is going nowhere AND he will get an obscene new contract.


I don't like the trade for Portland. Sheppard was crap last year. His only claim to fame is being a good shooter and he was worse than rookie Scoot last year. I also don't see how Jabari Smith is an upgrade over Jabari Walker.

The 1st is bound to be a rather low one. I suppose it would be better than nothing, but Shepperd has 3 more years at 10+ mil. We could find better for the vet min.

I would do it in a heartbeat just for the picks and moving on from Simons...


Lol yeah even without picks it's a yes. Smith is a usable piece moving forward and it means we move on from ant and dont extend him.. gotta jump on that

This deal is so far into homer territory idk if you could get any further.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#562 » by Case2012 » Tue May 13, 2025 3:00 am

Sheppard wasn't given a chance, he's still a stud. I would take that deal in a second but it's wayyyy too good for us.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#563 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue May 13, 2025 8:42 pm

If BOS is ready for a big shakeup I like this idea -

DeAndre Ayton + Jerami Grant + Robert Williams III for Kristaps Porzingis + Jrue Holiday + Sam Hauser

BOS retools by going big - swaps Holiday in the lineup for the younger, bouncier Grant. Ayton brings rebounding that they lack currently as well and is also an expiring. Money savings w/ the RWIII for Hauser portion added in.

PDX goes win-now w/ KP a great fit with the forwards we currently have. Holiday would be a great 3rd guard even if he is dramatically slowing down. Portland moves Simons after this for Jonathan Isaac and 25.

G - Scoot Henderson / Jrue Holiday / Walter Clayton JR (25)
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Walter Clayton JR (25)
F - Toumani Camara / Sam Hauser / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Jonathan Isaac / Rasheer Fleming (11)
C - Kristaps Porzingis / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#564 » by tester551 » Tue May 13, 2025 9:01 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:If BOS is ready for a big shakeup I like this idea -

DeAndre Ayton + Jerami Grant + Robert Williams III for Kristaps Porzingis + Jrue Holiday + Sam Hauser

BOS retools by going big - swaps Holiday in the lineup for the younger, bouncier Grant. Ayton brings rebounding that they lack currently as well and is also an expiring. Money savings w/ the RWIII for Hauser portion added in.

PDX goes win-now w/ KP a great fit with the forwards we currently have. Holiday would be a great 3rd guard even if he is dramatically slowing down. Portland moves Simons after this for Jonathan Isaac and 25.

G - Scoot Henderson / Jrue Holiday / Walter Clayton JR (25)
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Walter Clayton JR (25)
F - Toumani Camara / Sam Hauser / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Jonathan Isaac / Rasheer Fleming (11)
C - Kristaps Porzingis / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

Not legal.

Boston can't 1) aggregate salaries nor 2) take back more than they send out.
They can't acquire Ayton with Porzingis or Holiday

Grant for Holiday would be legal, but that would be the only pairing here.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#565 » by Sinobas » Wed May 14, 2025 3:24 am

The Celtics are looking at a 280 million dollar luxury tax bill next year. I can't see them wanting to do anything that would add to their financial burden in future years.

I could see them wanting to unload Jaylen Brown's contract.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#566 » by Walton1one » Wed May 14, 2025 2:23 pm

Sinobas wrote:The Celtics are looking at a 280 million dollar luxury tax bill next year. I can't see them wanting to do anything that would add to their financial burden in future years.

I could see them wanting to unload Jaylen Brown's contract.


that has been my thought, however, with Tatum‘s latest injury, do they risk trading Brown now? I think they would trade other pieces rather than him.

This could end up being a very good year for Portland to have $80+ million in expiring contracts, however, I think Cronin needs to let a couple of them just expire in order to resign Camara and Avdija next off-season
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#567 » by Sinobas » Wed May 14, 2025 4:00 pm

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Sinobas wrote:The Celtics are looking at a 280 million dollar luxury tax bill next year. I can't see them wanting to do anything that would add to their financial burden in future years.

I could see them wanting to unload Jaylen Brown's contract.


that has been my thought, however, with Tatum‘s latest injury, do they risk trading Brown now? I think they would trade other pieces rather than him.

This could end up being a very good year for Portland to have $80+ million in expiring contracts, however, I think Cronin needs to let a couple of them just expire in order to resign Camara and Avdija next off-season


I don't know if I'd even want Jaylen Brown at 60 million per year. Maybe if they took Grant off our hands...

But the Celtics might do well to tank next year and get a high draft pick, and get their team salary under control, as Tatum will probably be out the entire year anyway.

If I were them, I'd be trying to unload Holiday and Brown for expirings and draft assets.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#568 » by Norm2953 » Wed May 14, 2025 4:08 pm

Doubtful they could afford to unload Brown unless new ownership orders they have cut salaries to get
under the second apron.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#569 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 14, 2025 5:05 pm

Walton1one wrote:
Sinobas wrote:The Celtics are looking at a 280 million dollar luxury tax bill next year. I can't see them wanting to do anything that would add to their financial burden in future years.

I could see them wanting to unload Jaylen Brown's contract.


that has been my thought, however, with Tatum‘s latest injury, do they risk trading Brown now? I think they would trade other pieces rather than him.

This could end up being a very good year for Portland to have $80+ million in expiring contracts, however, I think Cronin needs to let a couple of them just expire in order to resign Camara and Avdija next off-season


they could re-sign Camara in July; don't need space for him. They do need space for Deni

I'm not sure Portland being for sale changes much. I was think Cronin was going to sit on his hands this summer anyway. No major changes. I'm leaning toward the Blazers avoiding adding any long term obligations; meaning those expiring contracts the Blazers have may just be allowed to expire and the new owner would be gifted some tax space in 2026. Of course, that would mostly vanish with the Sharpe/Camara extensions

the only thing that would surprise me is if both Cronin and Billups last thru their new extensions
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#570 » by Walton1one » Wed May 14, 2025 7:37 pm

On Camara:
Camara is in a different spot. He’s eligible to sign what we call the Dinwiddie Extension, which allows a team to extend a player on a salary that starts at up to 140% of the Average Player Salary. For next season, that projects to work out to a four-year, $89.3 million contract.


That is $22.3mil/year on average

Camara could delay signing a new deal until the summer of 2026 instead. If that’s the case, expect Portland to decline their team option for 2026-27 to make Camara a restricted free agent. That way, the Blazers can control the process.


I would imagine that Camara might turn down a 4yr/$89.3 deal and bet on himself, which means we should watch to see if POR declines the team option for 26/27, making him a RFA and giving them the opportunity to match

On Avdija (this one is potentially more problematic):
The CBA allows teams under the salary cap (the salary cap, not the tax threshold) to renegotiate contracts to pay players more (never less) salary, but only to the extent the team is under the salary cap.

So if the Blazers could get far enough under the salary cap they could renegotiate Deni's contract in October 2026 to pay him more in 2026-27 (and subsequently 2027-28), and a 140% (maximum) extension starting in 2028-29 could be signed at the same time (October 2026).


In 26/27 Deni is due to make $13.125mil. If POR got far enough under the cap, let's say $17mil, they could then sign him to:

$30mil in 26/27
$32.4mil in 27/28 (max 8% raise)
THEN sign a new max extension starting at $45.36mil

In order to make that happen, POR would need to be a minimum of $17mil under the salary cap next offseason

Salary cap in 26/27 is: $170 million

POR will have the following in obligated salaries in 26/27 offseason:
Grant @ $34.2
Avdija @ $13.1
Scoot @ $13.5 (team option)
DC @ $7.5 (team option)
Murray @ $5.3 (team option)
Toumani @ $2.4
#11 pick @ $4.7

That is $81-82 million

Sharpe is a RFA with a cap hold of $25.2mil
Reath is a RFA with a cap hold of $3mil
Rupert is a RFA with a cap hold of $3mil
Cissoko is a RFA with a cap hold of $2.3mil

TOTAL cap holds: $33.5mil

That is approximately $115.5mil in cap\holds - That leaves POR with $54.5mil in space under the salary cap, more than enough to sign Camara & restructure Deni to a deal starting at $30mil or so.

OR POR declines the 4th year on Camara and he becomes a RFA as well in 26/27 but, he would only have a cap hold of $3mil and POR rights to match any deal on him

They could also save additional space by releasing RFA rights on Reath\Rupert\Cissoko ($8.3) and declining Murray's team option ($5.3mil), so another $13-14mil if they needed it

Of course, this means letting some\most of Ayton\Simons\Williams & Thybulle walk for nothing. I imagine they have space to bring some of them back, but if they pay Simons\Ayton $30-35mil for example, that starts to cut things close

So, $82mil +$30.5 in cap holds (hedging they keep Rupert\Cissoko and let Murray walk or vice versa) = $112.5

They renegotiate Deni's last 2 years on his deal starting at $30/then $32.4, then simultaneously sign him to an extension starting at $40-45mil. That is an additional $17mil in cap space they need, so now they are at $129.5

That is $40.5mil under ($76.5 under the tax/$206), more than enough to resign\keep (1 or both) of Simons\Ayton however, signing both at $30-35mil would start to make things tight to stay under the luxury tax and field a full roster and then 27/28 could get real ugly fast when the bill stars to come due:

Grant $36.4
Avdija $32.4
Scoot $40.8 cap hold
DC $9.5
Sharpe $35?
#11 $5
Camara $30?

That is $149mil + $41 cap hold on Scoot, so $190

The projections for salary cap are $187, Luxury tax around $227, 1st apron $237

Add $65-$70 for Simons\Ayton and they are way over the 1st apron with only 9? players
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#571 » by Walton1one » Wed May 14, 2025 11:42 pm

Here is a hypothetical:

Let's say SA does decide to trade for Giannis and MIL is open to the idea and that MIL would prefer to get some of their draft capital back

So parameters would be:

SA: Giannis

MIL: Vassell, Sochan, Grant & Thybulle + #2\Harper, 27 1st via ATL, 29 1st SA, 31 1st via SA (swap rights w\SAC), 28 & 30 swap rights with POR extinguished

POR: Kuzma (yuck), K.Johnson (or Barnes if POR prefers an expiring) & #14

Another idea is SA 29 1st goes to POR and POR trades the best pick b\t POR\SA\BOS\MIL to MI, so MIL gets the best of those picks, WAS the 2nd best and POR gets the last (2) 29' picks

POR shaves a year off of Grant for Kuzma, who stays for 1 year and then is expiring after next season, they get either Johnson (b\u forward w\2 years left) or take Barnes (expiring after next year) and get #14, so they can take (2) swings this year or use both to trade up?

MIL gets Giannis and keeps Castle, that is a scary 4 player group - Fox\Castle\Giannins\Wemby

MIL gets Harper, and (2) other young players in Sochan\Vassell + (3) more 1st round picks and control over their 28/30 picks back
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#572 » by tester551 » Thu May 15, 2025 12:03 am

Walton1one wrote:Here is a hypothetical:

Let's say SA does decide to trade for Giannis and MIL is open to the idea and that MIL would prefer to get some of their draft capital back

So parameters would be:

SA: Giannis

MIL: Vassell, Sochan, Grant & Thybulle + #2\Harper, 27 1st via ATL, 29 1st SA, 31 1st via SA (swap rights w\SAC), 28 & 30 swap rights with POR extinguished

POR: Kuzma (yuck), K.Johnson (or Barnes if POR prefers an expiring) & #14

Another idea is SA 29 1st goes to POR and POR trades the best pick b\t POR\SA\BOS\MIL to MI, so MIL gets the best of those picks, WAS the 2nd best and POR gets the last (2) 29' picks

POR shaves a year off of Grant for Kuzma, who stays for 1 year and then is expiring after next season, they get either Johnson (b\u forward w\2 years left) or take Barnes (expiring after next year) and get #14, so they can take (2) swings this year or use both to trade up?

MIL gets Giannis and keeps Castle, that is a scary 4 player group - Fox\Castle\Giannins\Wemby

MIL gets Harper, and (2) other young players in Sochan\Vassell + (3) more 1st round picks and control over their 28/30 picks back

I don't like it.

Grant/Thybulle to Kuzma/Johnson (Barnes) is a wash IMO. None of the 4 are really going to materially impact the season. Getting out of Grant's contract is nice, but there isn't enough savings here to make it get excited about.

So the trade value boils down to #14 for the '28 and '30 pick swaps. I can see an argument for both sides - but I would MUCH rather have the swaps at this point in time.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#573 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu May 15, 2025 1:02 am

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Walton1one wrote:Here is a hypothetical:

Let's say SA does decide to trade for Giannis and MIL is open to the idea and that MIL would prefer to get some of their draft capital back

So parameters would be:

SA: Giannis

MIL: Vassell, Sochan, Grant & Thybulle + #2\Harper, 27 1st via ATL, 29 1st SA, 31 1st via SA (swap rights w\SAC), 28 & 30 swap rights with POR extinguished

POR: Kuzma (yuck), K.Johnson (or Barnes if POR prefers an expiring) & #14

Another idea is SA 29 1st goes to POR and POR trades the best pick b\t POR\SA\BOS\MIL to MI, so MIL gets the best of those picks, WAS the 2nd best and POR gets the last (2) 29' picks

POR shaves a year off of Grant for Kuzma, who stays for 1 year and then is expiring after next season, they get either Johnson (b\u forward w\2 years left) or take Barnes (expiring after next year) and get #14, so they can take (2) swings this year or use both to trade up?

MIL gets Giannis and keeps Castle, that is a scary 4 player group - Fox\Castle\Giannins\Wemby

MIL gets Harper, and (2) other young players in Sochan\Vassell + (3) more 1st round picks and control over their 28/30 picks back

I don't like it.

Grant/Thybulle to Kuzma/Johnson (Barnes) is a wash IMO. None of the 4 are really going to materially impact the season. Getting out of Grant's contract is nice, but there isn't enough savings here to make it get excited about.

So the trade value boils down to #14 for the '28 and '30 pick swaps. I can see an argument for both sides - but I would MUCH rather have the swaps at this point in time.


I would also (much) rather have those future swaps than #14.

I also like the shaving of a year off Grant but putting Kuzma and Keldon on this team for 2 full seasons is just painful. I really dislike both as players, much more so than Grant.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#574 » by Dame Lizard » Thu May 15, 2025 2:42 am

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Walton1one wrote:
Sinobas wrote:The Celtics are looking at a 280 million dollar luxury tax bill next year. I can't see them wanting to do anything that would add to their financial burden in future years.

I could see them wanting to unload Jaylen Brown's contract.


that has been my thought, however, with Tatum‘s latest injury, do they risk trading Brown now? I think they would trade other pieces rather than him.

This could end up being a very good year for Portland to have $80+ million in expiring contracts, however, I think Cronin needs to let a couple of them just expire in order to resign Camara and Avdija next off-season


they could re-sign Camara in July; don't need space for him. They do need space for Deni

I'm not sure Portland being for sale changes much. I was think Cronin was going to sit on his hands this summer anyway. No major changes. I'm leaning toward the Blazers avoiding adding any long term obligations; meaning those expiring contracts the Blazers have may just be allowed to expire and the new owner would be gifted some tax space in 2026. Of course, that would mostly vanish with the Sharpe/Camara extensions

the only thing that would surprise me is if both Cronin and Billups last thru their new extensions
Good looking, this gives me hope that we won't foolishly overpay Simons or Ayton this offseason.

The fact the team is up for sale would make this doubly or triply stupid.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#575 » by Walton1one » Thu May 15, 2025 5:49 pm

As long as it is not POR, and given the team is for sale, I am doubtful they will make a big move. Kuminga wants a max extension ($224\5 years - $44mil/avg). So besides the assets a team ends up trading for him, they will also be paying him a ton of money, not thanks

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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#576 » by The Sebastian Express » Thu May 15, 2025 8:12 pm

I too would like money I haven't earned.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#577 » by Butter » Fri May 16, 2025 12:54 am

Walton1one wrote:As long as it is not POR, and given the team is for sale, I am doubtful they will make a big move. Kuminga wants a max extension ($224\5 years - $44mil/avg). So besides the assets a team ends up trading for him, they will also be paying him a ton of money, not thanks

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Kuminga's Stat line last night

Jonathan Kuminga provided a boost off the bench with 26 points (11-of-23 FGs), three rebounds, two steals and three three-pointers in Game 5 against the Timberwolves on Wednesday.


That looks suspiciously close to a Jerami Grant Stat line
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#578 » by Norm2953 » Fri May 16, 2025 1:15 am

One would think with the team now up for sale, there will be no big money moves that will be made and
perhaps a move to clean up bottom line is going to happen.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#579 » by Walton1one » Fri May 16, 2025 1:52 am

Norm2953 wrote:One would think with the team now up for sale, there will be no big money moves that will be made and
perhaps a move to clean up bottom line is going to happen.



Yeah, that seems more likely IMO
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#580 » by Sinobas » Fri May 16, 2025 2:25 am

I don't get the "don't make moves if you're up for sale" idea. Make GOOD moves. That will only improve the value of the team. Not that I support paying Kuminga the max.

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