Is it really aggregation?

[djFan71]

If a team that can't aggregate sends out:

- Player A at $30M
- Player B at $10M

And takes back
- Player C at $15M
- Player D at $14M
- Player E at $8M

The trade boards complain that it's not allowed since the team can't aggregate salary.

In my mind, this isn't aggregation. Player A covers C & D on its own (30 > 29). Player B covers Player E (10 > 8).
There's no need to aggregate A & B to cover a single returning players contract.

It even complains if there is no player E coming back and Player B is just taken in to another teams TPE.

Sorry if this isn't the right spot / FAQ, but I see this come up a lot. I think the above is legal, but want to know if others agree.

[ReggiesKnicks]

If a team that can't aggregate sends out:

- Player A at $30M
- Player B at $10M

And takes back
- Player C at $15M
- Player D at $14M
- Player E at $8M

The trade boards complain that it's not allowed since the team can't aggregate salary.

In my mind, this isn't aggregation. Player A covers C & D on its own (30 > 29). Player B covers Player E (10 > 8).
There's no need to aggregate A & B to cover a single returning players contract.

It even complains if there is no player E coming back and Player B is just taken in to another teams TPE.

Sorry if this isn't the right spot / FAQ, but I see this come up a lot. I think the above is legal, but want to know if others agree.

This could be posted in the general thread for general questions, right?

Can you share a post where the example you are presenting has been proposed? You are correct this could be two trades.

[Mavrelous]

It's not an aggregation, it gets written as 2 separate deals.

[djFan71]

One example is:

BOS sends out Jrue ($32.4M) and Hauser ($10.0M) gets Klay ($16.6M) and PJ ($14.1M)
Jrue goes to DAL
Hauser and Powell go to DET. Hauser into their NTMLE. Powell ($4.0M) into RME.

Fanspo says:

"Celtics are unable to complete this trade. Incoming player salary ($14.1M) is matched using multiple outgoing players. Since they are an over second apron team, they are not able to aggregate players in a trade. This means for example, that they cannot send out two players to acquire one with a similar salary to both."


But I think that's just coding error. Jrue's single 32.4M covers both players being returned. BOS doesn't have to aggregate to take Klay and PJ back. If I just remove Hauser it works.

Mods, feel free to move/merge to general thread or wherever is most appropriate.

[gswhoops]

As long as you can execute it as separate transactions, each of which is salary neutral/negative, it's not aggregation.

[meekrab]

Yeah if they can split it into separate legal deals it would be legal. However if team B can't aggregate you're back to screwed.

[SkyHook]

If a team that can't aggregate sends out:

- Player A at $30M
- Player B at $10M

And takes back
- Player C at $15M
- Player D at $14M
- Player E at $8M

The trade boards complain that it's not allowed since the team can't aggregate salary.

In my mind, this isn't aggregation. Player A covers C & D on its own (30 > 29). Player B covers Player E (10 > 8).
There's no need to aggregate A & B to cover a single returning players contract.

It even complains if there is no player E coming back and Player B is just taken in to another teams TPE.

Sorry if this isn't the right spot / FAQ, but I see this come up a lot. I think the above is legal, but want to know if others agree.

I saw some reflexive pushback on deals like this — which I think is a normal first glance reaction — so I've preemptively been including phrasing such as "no aggregation required" now when I post them.

[SkyHook]

One example is:

BOS sends out Jrue ($32.4M) and Hauser ($10.0M) gets Klay ($16.6M) and PJ ($14.1M)
Jrue goes to DAL
Hauser and Powell go to DET. Hauser into their NTMLE. Powell ($4.0M) into RME.

Fanspo says:

"Celtics are unable to complete this trade. Incoming player salary ($14.1M) is matched using multiple outgoing players. Since they are an over second apron team, they are not able to aggregate players in a trade. This means for example, that they cannot send out two players to acquire one with a similar salary to both."


But I think that's just coding error. Jrue's single 32.4M covers both players being returned. BOS doesn't have to aggregate to take Klay and PJ back. If I just remove Hauser it works.

Mods, feel free to move/merge to general thread or wherever is most appropriate.

But, yeah, I haven't yet found a trade checker that can work that out. (Among other things.)

[Scoot McGroot]

One example is:

BOS sends out Jrue ($32.4M) and Hauser ($10.0M) gets Klay ($16.6M) and PJ ($14.1M)
Jrue goes to DAL
Hauser and Powell go to DET. Hauser into their NTMLE. Powell ($4.0M) into RME.

Fanspo says:

"Celtics are unable to complete this trade. Incoming player salary ($14.1M) is matched using multiple outgoing players. Since they are an over second apron team, they are not able to aggregate players in a trade. This means for example, that they cannot send out two players to acquire one with a similar salary to both."


But I think that's just coding error. Jrue's single 32.4M covers both players being returned. BOS doesn't have to aggregate to take Klay and PJ back. If I just remove Hauser it works.

Mods, feel free to move/merge to general thread or wherever is most appropriate.

Some posters instinctively see 2 guys out from a 2nd apron team and reply “THEY CANT AGGREGATE”, even if the deal doesn’t have them aggregating. This is similar to fans instinctively poo-pooing all kinds of deals where TPE’s are used along side player contracts , even if not combined, or sign and trades involve other players.

This deal you listed doesn’t aggregate. However, if team A sent players earning $30m and $10m, and acquired players earning $20m and $11m, that would require aggregation, even though the team is sending out more salary than they’re taking back.

But yes, I’ve found Fanspo to be notoriously unreliable, and this is one of the ways that it is.

[meekrab]

One example is:

BOS sends out Jrue ($32.4M) and Hauser ($10.0M) gets Klay ($16.6M) and PJ ($14.1M)
Jrue goes to DAL
Hauser and Powell go to DET. Hauser into their NTMLE. Powell ($4.0M) into RME.

Fanspo says:

"Celtics are unable to complete this trade. Incoming player salary ($14.1M) is matched using multiple outgoing players. Since they are an over second apron team, they are not able to aggregate players in a trade. This means for example, that they cannot send out two players to acquire one with a similar salary to both."


But I think that's just coding error. Jrue's single 32.4M covers both players being returned. BOS doesn't have to aggregate to take Klay and PJ back. If I just remove Hauser it works.

Mods, feel free to move/merge to general thread or wherever is most appropriate.

Spotrac says Powell can't be traded because he's in an option year, but otherwise yeah you can just make a separate trade which sends Hauser into Detroit's exception and have them get back 50k in cash or something to satisfy the requirements of making a trade.

[djFan71]

Cool, thanks all. I had a moment of crisis where I doubted my world view, lol. I'm glad I've been right when i say this stuff works!

[djFan71]

One example is:

BOS sends out Jrue ($32.4M) and Hauser ($10.0M) gets Klay ($16.6M) and PJ ($14.1M)
Jrue goes to DAL
Hauser and Powell go to DET. Hauser into their NTMLE. Powell ($4.0M) into RME.

Fanspo says:

"Celtics are unable to complete this trade. Incoming player salary ($14.1M) is matched using multiple outgoing players. Since they are an over second apron team, they are not able to aggregate players in a trade. This means for example, that they cannot send out two players to acquire one with a similar salary to both."


But I think that's just coding error. Jrue's single 32.4M covers both players being returned. BOS doesn't have to aggregate to take Klay and PJ back. If I just remove Hauser it works.

Mods, feel free to move/merge to general thread or wherever is most appropriate.

Spotrac says Powell can't be traded because he's in an option year, but otherwise yeah you can just make a separate trade which sends Hauser into Detroit's exception and have them get back 50k in cash or something to satisfy the requirements of making a trade.

With spotrac you can turn off restrictions which then lets it assume you picked up the option. Kinda clunky but at least it works.