Lauri's market

[LofJ]

Lauri's play fell off a cliff after getting paid. Trying to tank and keep him has hurt his value a lot in my view. He will need to play better if the Jazz want a premier asset.

This is what happens when the team you're playing for is purposely losing/tanking. It's demotivating, you have nothing to play for if you've already been paid. Ask me how I know, laughs/cries Hornets fan tears.

That said the NBA is a what have you done lately league. So while Markkanen won't return what he would have last year the Jazz should at least get one good asset for him.

[PurpleGreenGold]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

[BlazersBroncos]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

Lauri doesnt have this value.

I could see something built around Vassell + Keldon + 14.

G - Fox / Castle
G - Harper / Castle
F - Barnes / FA Shooter
F - Lauri / Sochan
C - Wemby / FA Vet

[SkyHook]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

I've shared this a number of times...

Had the Jazz been slotted at the 2nd pick, I fully expected them to trade it. I just don't see Harper in Utah ending well. Better to have a player who truly wants to be there.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145689-ron-harper-says-a-trade-would-happen-if-jazz-took-his-son-dylan-in-2025-nba-draft

Now I hear that Ron kind of halfheartedly walked that back, but I have no desire to drink from a poisoned well. I certainly don't want to mortgage other assets for the privilege.

[PurpleGreenGold]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

I've shared this a number of times...

Had the Jazz been slotted at the 2nd pick, I fully expected them to trade it. I just don't see Harper in Utah ending well. Better to have a player who truly wants to be there.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145689-ron-harper-says-a-trade-would-happen-if-jazz-took-his-son-dylan-in-2025-nba-draft

Now I hear that Ron kind of halfheartedly walked that back, but I have no desire to drink from a poisoned well. I certainly don't want to mortgage other assets for the privilege.

Sure, Harper doesn't need to be the guy, like I mentioned, the Jazz just need more bites at the lottery apple, and Lauri is just a bad fit for where the team is right now. If you can use him and some other ancillary assets, go try to get #3 or #4 if #2 is not realistic. We have the assets, maybe it's time to use some of them.

[SkyHook]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

I've shared this a number of times...

Had the Jazz been slotted at the 2nd pick, I fully expected them to trade it. I just don't see Harper in Utah ending well. Better to have a player who truly wants to be there.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145689-ron-harper-says-a-trade-would-happen-if-jazz-took-his-son-dylan-in-2025-nba-draft

Now I hear that Ron kind of halfheartedly walked that back, but I have no desire to drink from a poisoned well. I certainly don't want to mortgage other assets for the privilege.

Sure, Harper doesn't need to be the guy, like I mentioned, the Jazz just need more bites at the lottery apple, and Lauri is just a bad fit for where the team is right now. If you can use him and some other ancillary assets, go try to get #3 or #4 if #2 is not realistic. We have the assets, maybe it's time to use some of them.

Do you like the players available at 3 & 4 so much more so than the ones available at 5? I'm not sure that I do. I might take each of the guys I've seen projected at 5, 6, & 7 over the virtually consensus ones at 3 & 4. (Might, still a lot of tape to watch.)

In just about every draft there's a top pick who busts. If I was a gambler, my money would be on Bailey this year.

[PurpleGreenGold]

I've shared this a number of times...

Had the Jazz been slotted at the 2nd pick, I fully expected them to trade it. I just don't see Harper in Utah ending well. Better to have a player who truly wants to be there.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145689-ron-harper-says-a-trade-would-happen-if-jazz-took-his-son-dylan-in-2025-nba-draft

Now I hear that Ron kind of halfheartedly walked that back, but I have no desire to drink from a poisoned well. I certainly don't want to mortgage other assets for the privilege.

Sure, Harper doesn't need to be the guy, like I mentioned, the Jazz just need more bites at the lottery apple, and Lauri is just a bad fit for where the team is right now. If you can use him and some other ancillary assets, go try to get #3 or #4 if #2 is not realistic. We have the assets, maybe it's time to use some of them.

Do you like the players available at 3 & 4 so much more so than the ones available at 5? I'm not sure that I do. I might take each of the guys I've seen projected at 5, 6, & 7 over the virtually consensus ones at 3 & 4. (Might, still a lot of tape to watch.)

In just about every draft there's a top pick who busts. If I was a gambler, my money would be on Bailey this year.

Yeah, you might be right. If the Jazz could get #3, I'd still probably take a chance on Bailey. He's got great size, and I love the idea of a big wing who can create his own shot whenever he wants. The Jazz only really have Clarkson, Sexton or George (all small guards who can get easily game planned for) that can currently do this. Then at #5, I'd love to get VJ as a guy who can be a defensive presence on a team that currently lacks it. If he's gone, I like the shooting of Tre Johnson.

[SkyHook]

Sure, Harper doesn't need to be the guy, like I mentioned, the Jazz just need more bites at the lottery apple, and Lauri is just a bad fit for where the team is right now. If you can use him and some other ancillary assets, go try to get #3 or #4 if #2 is not realistic. We have the assets, maybe it's time to use some of them.

Do you like the players available at 3 & 4 so much more so than the ones available at 5? I'm not sure that I do. I might take each of the guys I've seen projected at 5, 6, & 7 over the virtually consensus ones at 3 & 4. (Might, still a lot of tape to watch.)

In just about every draft there's a top pick who busts. If I was a gambler, my money would be on Bailey this year.

Yeah, you might be right. If the Jazz could get #3, I'd still probably take a chance on Bailey. He's got great size, and I love the idea of a big wing who can create his own shot whenever he wants. The Jazz only really have Clarkson, Sexton or George (all small guards who can get easily game planned for) that can currently do this. Then at #5, I'd love to get VJ as a guy who can be a defensive presence on a team that currently lacks it. If he's gone, I like the shooting of Tre Johnson.

Barring something crazy, three of Bailey, VJ, Tre, Kon, or Fears is going to be available. I'm fine taking any of them though, given my previously stated concerns, if Bailey drops to 5 I'd prefer to flip him for value.

[wemby]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

You're overestimating Lauri's trade value. Truth be told, Ainge overplayed his hand a year ago, he should have traded Lauri to the Warriors or the Spurs when he had the chance, but since he can't fleece a smart team, he lost interest in trading Lauri, overpaid him and now his value is much lower. That's what you get with Ainge, whose trade mojo also seems to have taken a big hit in recent years. Maybe it's time to retire?

[SkyHook]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

You're overestimating Lauri's trade value. Truth be told, Ainge overplayed his hand a year ago, he should have traded Lauri to the Warriors or the Spurs when he had the chance, but since he can't fleece a smart team, he lost interest in trading Lauri, overpaid him and now his value is much lower. That's what you get with Ainge, whose trade mojo also seems to have taken a big hit in recent years. Maybe it's time to retire?

If the intention was to trade him, then the hand was overplayed. The Jazz fielded offers, but were going to be a reluctant seller at best when it came to Lauri, at least according to The Athletic, ESPN, etc.

I agree that the market doesn't support this value. I don't blame any other FO (and their fans) for the lower offers after this season, but I don't expect the Jazz to move him for a reduced return, nor should they.

[bkohler]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

You're overestimating Lauri's trade value. Truth be told, Ainge overplayed his hand a year ago, he should have traded Lauri to the Warriors or the Spurs when he had the chance, but since he can't fleece a smart team, he lost interest in trading Lauri, overpaid him and now his value is much lower. That's what you get with Ainge, whose trade mojo also seems to have taken a big hit in recent years. Maybe it's time to retire?

As much people say the nba is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ but we’re less than 12 months removed from Mikal Bridges bringing in 6 picks after a down year. Sure, Lauri’s expensive but if you dont think his eventual trade deal is somewhere between the bridges trade and the Mark Williams trade (one pick, one swap and a prospect) then I don’t know if we see value the same way at all.

[wemby]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

You're overestimating Lauri's trade value. Truth be told, Ainge overplayed his hand a year ago, he should have traded Lauri to the Warriors or the Spurs when he had the chance, but since he can't fleece a smart team, he lost interest in trading Lauri, overpaid him and now his value is much lower. That's what you get with Ainge, whose trade mojo also seems to have taken a big hit in recent years. Maybe it's time to retire?

As much people say the nba is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ but we’re less than 12 months removed from Mikal Bridges bringing in 6 picks after a down year. Sure, Lauri’s expensive but if you dont think his eventual trade deal is somewhere between the bridges trade and the Mark Williams trade (one pick, one swap and a prospect) then I don’t know if we see value the same way at all.

1) You can't use the most outlier of trades as a reference for anything
2) Lauri is making twice as much as Bridges was

I guess we can all pick the cherries we like best. But I hope you get that for Lauri, really I have no horse in that race.

[Chinook]

Looking back on it, Markkanen's extension was crazy. Had he signed a max contract this summer, it would have been something like $200M/4, They gave him a $24-Million raise last year. They should have deducted most if not all of that from the extension, basically giving him the $200 Million early but keeping the total around $219M/5. That means, these next four years would have been $176 Million, or about $44 Million a year. On an increasing contact, that means he'd start at just over $39 Million. It would be much more palatable for teams to take him if he were making $39M to $49M rather than $46M to $54M.

Mark's agent deserves mad props for getting Utah to pay for Lauri at his absolute peak value.

[Catchall]

One team that really wanted Lauri was Golden State. They need a reliable wing shooter to imitate who they once were. Not sure what they'd move though. Probably it would involve Kuminga.

[bkohler]

You're overestimating Lauri's trade value. Truth be told, Ainge overplayed his hand a year ago, he should have traded Lauri to the Warriors or the Spurs when he had the chance, but since he can't fleece a smart team, he lost interest in trading Lauri, overpaid him and now his value is much lower. That's what you get with Ainge, whose trade mojo also seems to have taken a big hit in recent years. Maybe it's time to retire?

As much people say the nba is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ but we’re less than 12 months removed from Mikal Bridges bringing in 6 picks after a down year. Sure, Lauri’s expensive but if you dont think his eventual trade deal is somewhere between the bridges trade and the Mark Williams trade (one pick, one swap and a prospect) then I don’t know if we see value the same way at all.

1) You can't use the most outlier of trades as a reference for anything
2) Lauri is making twice as much as Bridges was

I guess we can all pick the cherries we like best. But I hope you get that for Lauri, really I have no horse in that race.

I’m not expecting anywhere close to Bridges, just used it as an example that teams take the context into account when it comes to down years. I think 2-3 picks + a prospect is probably where it ends up with protections depending on the prospect and the matching salary. So a pick and half ish better than what the Lakers were going to pay for Mark Williams.

[Hugi Mancura]

One team that really wanted Lauri was Golden State. They need a reliable wing shooter to imitate who they once were. Not sure what they'd move though. Probably it would involve Kuminga.

It would be Sign and trade with Kuminga and they can also offer 2 picks, but I think they want to keep those picks because Curry doesn't play very long anymore.

[Hugi Mancura]

The Jazz should not be looking to swap lottery picks, they should be looking to add lottery picks.
What about something like:
Lauri, #21, 2027 Lakers 1st (top 3 protected I think) for #2, and whatever it takes to match salaries

Lauri doesnt have this value.

I could see something built around Vassell + Keldon + 14.

G - Fox / Castle
G - Harper / Castle
F - Barnes / FA Shooter
F - Lauri / Sochan
C - Wemby / FA Vet

I do agree. I wouldn't give 2:nd pick for Lauri partly because Vessell and Keldon still have some value. But Utah would want more, so I think SAS would have to give another pick. Example Atlanta's pick 2027.

But I think first SAS will be using that 2:nd pick to try to get Giannis and SAS can put up really good offer for Giannis. If they don't get Giannis, maybe then they start looking other options like Lauri.