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Post#161 » by Mr B » Wed May 14, 2025 2:05 pm

arkuo wrote:Celtics are said to be shopping Jaylen Brown as having 2 supermax players on the team is prohibitive.

I heard somewhere that they will be over the 2nd apron and will have to purge most of their team. Not just Brown but possibly Jrue Holiday, Payton Prichard, and Derrick White too.
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Post#162 » by arkuo » Wed May 14, 2025 2:15 pm

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arkuo wrote:Celtics are said to be shopping Jaylen Brown as having 2 supermax players on the team is prohibitive.

I heard somewhere that they will be over the 2nd apron and will have to purge most of their team. Not just Brown but possibly Jrue Holiday, Payton Prichard, and Derrick White too.



At this point, Celtics fans are ready to give away Porzingis for free.
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Post#163 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed May 14, 2025 2:32 pm

arkuo wrote:
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arkuo wrote:Celtics are said to be shopping Jaylen Brown as having 2 supermax players on the team is prohibitive.

I heard somewhere that they will be over the 2nd apron and will have to purge most of their team. Not just Brown but possibly Jrue Holiday, Payton Prichard, and Derrick White too.



At this point, Celtics fans are ready to give away Porzingis for free.


This. He can't stay healthy.

And Brown has a bad knee, holiday is old, Pritchard is a role player.

I'll take White for sure but the others can stay there.
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Post#164 » by arkuo » Wed May 14, 2025 2:42 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Mr B wrote:I heard somewhere that they will be over the 2nd apron and will have to purge most of their team. Not just Brown but possibly Jrue Holiday, Payton Prichard, and Derrick White too.



At this point, Celtics fans are ready to give away Porzingis for free.


This. He can't stay healthy.

And Brown has a bad knee, holiday is old, Pritchard is a role player.

I'll take White for sure but the others can stay there.


Boston is **** if Tatum doesn't come back from that Achilles tear to his old self.
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Post#165 » by Mr B » Wed May 14, 2025 4:14 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Mr B wrote:I heard somewhere that they will be over the 2nd apron and will have to purge most of their team. Not just Brown but possibly Jrue Holiday, Payton Prichard, and Derrick White too.



At this point, Celtics fans are ready to give away Porzingis for free.


This. He can't stay healthy.

And Brown has a bad knee, holiday is old, Pritchard is a role player.

I'll take White for sure but the others can stay there.

Holiday has a pretty big contract too. I thought he might be a good option for the Mavs but he makes like $35m per season.
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Post#166 » by Mr B » Wed May 14, 2025 4:47 pm

Ok so I’m listing to this Mavs podcast and they are talking about how the Mavs (with Coopers rookie contract coming n the books) will be $13M over the 1st apron. So that means they will have to shed $13M without taking any salary back right?

Also if I’m not mistaking Gafford is scheduled to make $13M this season. I know we all want them to use Gafford to get their PG but would it make better financial sense to trade Gafford to a team with cap room? That would give the Mavs a trade exception (am I correct here?) and bring them below the 1st apron correct?

At that point would the Mavs get the full mid level exception? What assets would they still have to make a trade for a PG?
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Post#167 » by arkuo » Wed May 14, 2025 5:07 pm

Mr B wrote:Ok so I’m listing to this Mavs podcast and they are talking about how the Mavs (with Coopers rookie contract coming n the books) will be $13M over the 1st apron. So that means they will have to shed $13M without taking any salary back right?

Also if I’m not mistaking Gafford is scheduled to make $13M this season. I know we all want them to use Gafford to get their PG but would it make better financial sense to trade Gafford to a team with cap room? That would give the Mavs a trade exception (am I correct here?) and bring them below the 1st apron correct?

At that point would the Mavs get the full mid level exception? What assets would they still have to make a trade for a PG?


Yeah, I'd like for them to trade Gaff and get a draft pick. Bulls are picking #12 and Jakucionis may be available there. You send out Gaff's salary and take back a playmaker on a rookie deal.
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Post#168 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed May 14, 2025 5:09 pm

arkuo wrote:
Mr B wrote:Ok so I’m listing to this Mavs podcast and they are talking about how the Mavs (with Coopers rookie contract coming n the books) will be $13M over the 1st apron. So that means they will have to shed $13M without taking any salary back right?

Also if I’m not mistaking Gafford is scheduled to make $13M this season. I know we all want them to use Gafford to get their PG but would it make better financial sense to trade Gafford to a team with cap room? That would give the Mavs a trade exception (am I correct here?) and bring them below the 1st apron correct?

At that point would the Mavs get the full mid level exception? What assets would they still have to make a trade for a PG?


Yeah, I'd like for them to trade Gaff and get a draft pick. Bulls are picking #12 and Jakucionis may be available there. You send out Gaff's salary and take back a playmaker on a rookie deal.


I don't think Chicago wants to make that trade... Gafford+PJ+LA pick for #12+White?
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Post#169 » by arkuo » Wed May 14, 2025 5:39 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Mr B wrote:Ok so I’m listing to this Mavs podcast and they are talking about how the Mavs (with Coopers rookie contract coming n the books) will be $13M over the 1st apron. So that means they will have to shed $13M without taking any salary back right?

Also if I’m not mistaking Gafford is scheduled to make $13M this season. I know we all want them to use Gafford to get their PG but would it make better financial sense to trade Gafford to a team with cap room? That would give the Mavs a trade exception (am I correct here?) and bring them below the 1st apron correct?

At that point would the Mavs get the full mid level exception? What assets would they still have to make a trade for a PG?


Yeah, I'd like for them to trade Gaff and get a draft pick. Bulls are picking #12 and Jakucionis may be available there. You send out Gaff's salary and take back a playmaker on a rookie deal.


I don't think Chicago wants to make that trade... Gafford+PJ+LA pick for #12+White?


This works as well. Dinwiddie time to find a new job.
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Post#170 » by Mr B » Wed May 14, 2025 6:58 pm

For those who haven’t seen it here is Kyrie’s recovery video he dropped.

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Post#171 » by Mr B » Wed May 14, 2025 7:08 pm

I have another question about the cap. After signing Cooper Flagg to his contract the Mavs will be roughly $15M over the 1st apron. From what I’m seeing his contract will be about $63M over 4 years. That’s about $15M-$16M per. So basically it’s his entire salary that will put them over.

My question is since he hasn’t been drafted yet or since he hasn’t been signed yet can the Mavs operate as if they are under the 1st apron since they technically haven’t signed him yet? Would they have access to the full MLE also since they haven’t signed him yet?
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Post#172 » by Mavrelous » Wed May 14, 2025 7:12 pm

Mr B wrote:I have another question about the cap. After signing Cooper Flagg to his contract the Mavs will be roughly $15M over the 1st apron. From what I’m seeing his contract will be about $63M over 4 years. That’s about $15M-$16M per. So basically it’s his entire salary that will put them over.

My question is since he hasn’t been drafted yet or since he hasn’t been signed yet can the Mavs operate as if they are under the 1st apron since they technically haven’t signed him yet? Would they have access to the full MLE also since they haven’t signed him yet?

No, even though he's not signef there is a cap hold in place to account for his salary.
Mavs are going to be above the 2nd Apron if they don't drop salary, they won't be able to use tje small MLE even.
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Post#173 » by arkuo » Wed May 14, 2025 8:23 pm

Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.
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Post#174 » by Archx » Wed May 14, 2025 10:11 pm

arkuo wrote:Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.


I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers offer same deal for Gafford as they did for Williams. Actually wouldn't be that bad because you would have 2 Lakers 1st round picks to make even a stronger package and get a really good guard in return.
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Post#175 » by fuller4379 » Wed May 14, 2025 10:31 pm

Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.


I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers offer same deal for Gafford as they did for Williams. Actually wouldn't be that bad because you would have 2 Lakers 1st round picks to make even a stronger package and get a really good guard in return.



There is no one on the Lakers that I would want. It would have to be a three-way trade.
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Post#176 » by fuller4379 » Wed May 14, 2025 10:43 pm

I wonder what it would take to get Cole Anthony from Orlando. He seems to be the odd man out there.
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Post#177 » by Archx » Wed May 14, 2025 10:49 pm

fuller4379 wrote:
Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.


I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers offer same deal for Gafford as they did for Williams. Actually wouldn't be that bad because you would have 2 Lakers 1st round picks to make even a stronger package and get a really good guard in return.



There is no one on the Lakers that I would want. It would have to be a three-way trade.


It's not so much about the player, though Knecht looks like he will be quite good at some point, but it's more about extra 1st round pick that you can re-route further.

In this case, Mavs would have two LAL 1st round picks and their own 2032 1st to trade. That's 3 picks that you can send out to get a seriously good guard if you want.
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Post#178 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed May 14, 2025 10:56 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Mr B wrote:Ok so I’m listing to this Mavs podcast and they are talking about how the Mavs (with Coopers rookie contract coming n the books) will be $13M over the 1st apron. So that means they will have to shed $13M without taking any salary back right?

Also if I’m not mistaking Gafford is scheduled to make $13M this season. I know we all want them to use Gafford to get their PG but would it make better financial sense to trade Gafford to a team with cap room? That would give the Mavs a trade exception (am I correct here?) and bring them below the 1st apron correct?

At that point would the Mavs get the full mid level exception? What assets would they still have to make a trade for a PG?


Yeah, I'd like for them to trade Gaff and get a draft pick. Bulls are picking #12 and Jakucionis may be available there. You send out Gaff's salary and take back a playmaker on a rookie deal.


I don't think Chicago wants to make that trade... Gafford+PJ+LA pick for #12+White?


What is the point for CHI to do this? They have Vuc/Zach at C, and Just resigned Patrick as starting 4, while White is playing well and fit well with Josh Giddey in the backcourt.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#179 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed May 14, 2025 10:57 pm

Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.


I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers offer same deal for Gafford as they did for Williams. Actually wouldn't be that bad because you would have 2 Lakers 1st round picks to make even a stronger package and get a really good guard in return.


Williams has higher trade value then Gafford.
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Post#180 » by Archx » Wed May 14, 2025 11:09 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.


I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers offer same deal for Gafford as they did for Williams. Actually wouldn't be that bad because you would have 2 Lakers 1st round picks to make even a stronger package and get a really good guard in return.


Williams has higher trade value then Gafford.


I'm not sure. Gafford with the right guard is a monster. They had major concerns about Williams even being a good rim protector. Also, Lakers are desperate, they're in the same boat as Mavs were with Powell in the past. They badly need a good center and will probably overpay to get one. But one name that keeps getting mentioned for them is actually Claxton.

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