Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[shrink]

Will Brooklyn waste another year with tanking or spend their money now?

I think they’ll do both, getting picks in trade by taking on negative expiring deals so teams can complete trades or cut payroll.

Next year’s free agent class is much better, and they will continue to have so much cap space that they can invite two superstars to come to Brooklyn and team up.

[cmoss84]

You think Houston strikes completely out or stays put?
I really hope Flagg goes east. Something will smell fishy if he ends up in Dallas.

I think they value their young guys and want to build off of them more than trading them for KD or Giannis. Maybe they make some smaller moves, but I'm going to be shocked if they blockbuster it.

[winforlose]

You think Houston strikes completely out or stays put?
I really hope Flagg goes east. Something will smell fishy if he ends up in Dallas.

I think they value their young guys and want to build off of them more than trading them for KD or Giannis. Maybe they make some smaller moves, but I'm going to be shocked if they blockbuster it.

Dallas should trade AD and keep Flagg. The value of AD will be less than the value of Doncic, but the return should be better than what they got for Doncic. If it’s me I also trade Irving and to try bring someone back who is younger and ready to win. Maybe Kyrie or AD to Houston for Green and Senguin. If they do it right they can both compete now and contend later. If they do it wrong the fan base will revolt.

[BlacJacMac]

You think Houston strikes completely out or stays put?
I really hope Flagg goes east. Something will smell fishy if he ends up in Dallas.

I think they value their young guys and want to build off of them more than trading them for KD or Giannis. Maybe they make some smaller moves, but I'm going to be shocked if they blockbuster it.

Dallas should trade AD and keep Flagg. The value of AD will be less than the value of Doncic, but the return should be better than what they got for Doncic. If it’s me I also trade Irving and to try bring someone back who is younger and ready to win. Maybe Kyrie or AD to Houston for Green and Senguin. If they do it right they can both compete now and contend later. If they do it wrong the fan base will revolt.

Kyrie is virtually untradable.

He's 33 years old and blew his Achilles 2 months ago. He has a 44M Player Option for this year that he'd be a fool to not pick-up and then he's a UFA.

So you'd only be trading for him as either a huge expiring or you really want the Bird Rights to a 34 year-old PG coming off an Achilles injury in 2026-27.

[winforlose]

I think they value their young guys and want to build off of them more than trading them for KD or Giannis. Maybe they make some smaller moves, but I'm going to be shocked if they blockbuster it.

Dallas should trade AD and keep Flagg. The value of AD will be less than the value of Doncic, but the return should be better than what they got for Doncic. If it’s me I also trade Irving and to try bring someone back who is younger and ready to win. Maybe Kyrie or AD to Houston for Green and Senguin. If they do it right they can both compete now and contend later. If they do it wrong the fan base will revolt.

Kyrie is virtually untradable.

He's 33 years old and blew his Achilles 2 months ago. He has a 44M Player Option for this year that he'd be a fool to not pick-up and then he's a UFA.

So you'd only be trading for him as either a huge expiring or you really want the Bird Rights to a 34 year-old PG coming off an Achilles injury in 2026-27.

Kyrie tore his ACL and is on a January return timeline. Way different than an Achilles. You would need his bird rights to resign him, and yes he will use the option. Half a season of good player plus resign or trade bird rights sounds good to me. Finally Kyrie was born in March of 1992. He will turn 34 late next season and we have seen plenty of guards at 34 turning 35 the following season play 3-4 more years of solid ball. I disagree he is untradable. You could argue his value is depressed, but the alternative is for Dallas to resign him, hold him a year, then trade him. More age but more health.

[BlacJacMac]

Dallas should trade AD and keep Flagg. The value of AD will be less than the value of Doncic, but the return should be better than what they got for Doncic. If it’s me I also trade Irving and to try bring someone back who is younger and ready to win. Maybe Kyrie or AD to Houston for Green and Senguin. If they do it right they can both compete now and contend later. If they do it wrong the fan base will revolt.

Kyrie is virtually untradable.

He's 33 years old and blew his Achilles 2 months ago. He has a 44M Player Option for this year that he'd be a fool to not pick-up and then he's a UFA.

So you'd only be trading for him as either a huge expiring or you really want the Bird Rights to a 34 year-old PG coming off an Achilles injury in 2026-27.

Kyrie tore his ACL and is on a January return timeline. Way different than an Achilles. You would need his bird rights to resign him, and yes he will use the option. Half a season of good player plus resign or trade bird rights sounds good to me. Finally Kyrie was born in March of 1992. He will turn 34 late next season and we have seen plenty of guards at 34 turning 35 the following season play 3-4 more years of solid ball. I disagree he is untradable. You could argue his value is depressed, but the alternative is for Dallas to resign him, hold him a year, then trade him. More age but more health.

Good catch on the ACL. But I still don't think he'll give you anything next year. He's older and reliant on movement. You're trading him at the very bottom of his value. There is no chance you're getting Senguin for him.

Not to mention I believe its been 6+ years since he missed less than 20 games - and he's been injured to some extent every year of his career going back to college. I sure wouldn't want to be the team paying him huge money in his mid-late 30s.

[winforlose]

Kyrie is virtually untradable.

He's 33 years old and blew his Achilles 2 months ago. He has a 44M Player Option for this year that he'd be a fool to not pick-up and then he's a UFA.

So you'd only be trading for him as either a huge expiring or you really want the Bird Rights to a 34 year-old PG coming off an Achilles injury in 2026-27.

Kyrie tore his ACL and is on a January return timeline. Way different than an Achilles. You would need his bird rights to resign him, and yes he will use the option. Half a season of good player plus resign or trade bird rights sounds good to me. Finally Kyrie was born in March of 1992. He will turn 34 late next season and we have seen plenty of guards at 34 turning 35 the following season play 3-4 more years of solid ball. I disagree he is untradable. You could argue his value is depressed, but the alternative is for Dallas to resign him, hold him a year, then trade him. More age but more health.

Good catch on the ACL. But I still don't think he'll give you anything next year. He's older and reliant on movement. You're trading him at the very bottom of his value. There is no chance you're getting Senguin for him.

Not to mention I believe its been 6+ years since he missed less than 20 games. I sure wouldn't want to be the team paying him huge money in his mid-late 30s.

Okay, let’s assume this 100% correct. Dallas resigns him, he recovers, then next year he is traded and gets value. A team like the Lakers would welcome him. Meanwhile, trade AD for Senguin and Green. Green’s disaster in the playoffs has his value low, and Houston won’t want to part with Thompson. They will build around their youth and AD. There are other offers and other players as well. The point is Dallas should try and get younger and play around Flagg.

[BlacJacMac]

Kyrie tore his ACL and is on a January return timeline. Way different than an Achilles. You would need his bird rights to resign him, and yes he will use the option. Half a season of good player plus resign or trade bird rights sounds good to me. Finally Kyrie was born in March of 1992. He will turn 34 late next season and we have seen plenty of guards at 34 turning 35 the following season play 3-4 more years of solid ball. I disagree he is untradable. You could argue his value is depressed, but the alternative is for Dallas to resign him, hold him a year, then trade him. More age but more health.

Good catch on the ACL. But I still don't think he'll give you anything next year. He's older and reliant on movement. You're trading him at the very bottom of his value. There is no chance you're getting Senguin for him.

Not to mention I believe its been 6+ years since he missed less than 20 games. I sure wouldn't want to be the team paying him huge money in his mid-late 30s.

Okay, let’s assume this 100% correct. Dallas resigns him, he recovers, then next year he is traded and gets value. A team like the Lakers would welcome him. Meanwhile, trade AD for Senguin and Green. Green’s disaster in the playoffs has his value low, and Houston won’t want to part with Thompson. They will build around their youth and AD. There are other offers and other players as well. The point is Dallas should try and get younger and play around Flagg.

Oh, I absolutely agree they should try to trade Kyrie.

I just think its going to look more like a salary dump than getting any kind of star back.

[winforlose]

Good catch on the ACL. But I still don't think he'll give you anything next year. He's older and reliant on movement. You're trading him at the very bottom of his value. There is no chance you're getting Senguin for him.

Not to mention I believe its been 6+ years since he missed less than 20 games. I sure wouldn't want to be the team paying him huge money in his mid-late 30s.

Okay, let’s assume this 100% correct. Dallas resigns him, he recovers, then next year he is traded and gets value. A team like the Lakers would welcome him. Meanwhile, trade AD for Senguin and Green. Green’s disaster in the playoffs has his value low, and Houston won’t want to part with Thompson. They will build around their youth and AD. There are other offers and other players as well. The point is Dallas should try and get younger and play around Flagg.

Oh, I absolutely agree they should try to trade Kyrie.

I just think its going to look more like a salary dump than getting any kind of star back.

Not even sure that is true. Again, resign him, trade him 26/27 instead of 25/26. One way or another a team will be willing to pay for his twilight.

[BlacJacMac]

Okay, let’s assume this 100% correct. Dallas resigns him, he recovers, then next year he is traded and gets value. A team like the Lakers would welcome him. Meanwhile, trade AD for Senguin and Green. Green’s disaster in the playoffs has his value low, and Houston won’t want to part with Thompson. They will build around their youth and AD. There are other offers and other players as well. The point is Dallas should try and get younger and play around Flagg.

Oh, I absolutely agree they should try to trade Kyrie.

I just think its going to look more like a salary dump than getting any kind of star back.

Not even sure that is true. Again, resign him, trade him 26/27 instead of 25/26. One way or another a team will be willing to pay for his twilight.

Or you're stuck 200M in a slowed, broken down old PG.

I'm sure PHX would happily trade Beal for him or Milwaukee would probably love to trade Lillard...

[winforlose]

Oh, I absolutely agree they should try to trade Kyrie.

I just think its going to look more like a salary dump than getting any kind of star back.

Not even sure that is true. Again, resign him, trade him 26/27 instead of 25/26. One way or another a team will be willing to pay for his twilight.

Or you're stuck 200M in a slowed, broken down old PG.

I'm sure PHX would happily trade Beal for him or Milwaukee would probably love to trade Lillard...

Kyrie has a higher floor than Beal and a ceiling as high or high than Lillard. Your point is that PGs don’t age well, but Mike at 36 contributed to a WCF finals run, Curry at 37 is an all star, Westbrook is doing big things with Denver, Harden got LAC to the playoffs, ect… Your other point is the money is an issue, but I think a Lakers or Clippers gladly pay it. I just think we have a fundamentally different opinion about the value of a healthy Kyrie.

[BlacJacMac]

Not even sure that is true. Again, resign him, trade him 26/27 instead of 25/26. One way or another a team will be willing to pay for his twilight.

Or you're stuck 200M in a slowed, broken down old PG.

I'm sure PHX would happily trade Beal for him or Milwaukee would probably love to trade Lillard...

Kyrie has a higher floor than Beal and a ceiling as high or high than Lillard. Your point is that PGs don’t age well, but Mike at 36 contributed to a WCF finals run, Curry at 37 is an all star, Westbrook is doing big things with Denver, Harden got LAC to the playoffs, ect… Your other point is the money is an issue, but I think a Lakers or Clippers gladly pay it. I just think we have a fundamentally different opinion about the value of a healthy Kyrie.

There will always be exceptions.

Those guys don't have anywhere near the injury history Kyrie does.

Conley (and Harden) has had an "old man" game for a decade. And he transitioned to "overpaid at 10M" pretty fast.

[TimberKat]

For all the talk about we don't have any #1s after Gobert trade, we have two #1s this year. I hope we trade both for something good or trade one for later year. We have too many young players to develop already.

[BlacJacMac]

For all the talk about we don't have any #1s after Gobert trade, we have two #1s this year. I hope we trade both for something good or trade one for later year. We have too many young players to develop already.

Are you referring to the first pick of R2 as a #1?

[TimberKat]

For all the talk about we don't have any #1s after Gobert trade, we have two #1s this year. I hope we trade both for something good or trade one for later year. We have too many young players to develop already.

Are you referring to the first pick of R2 as a #1?

Yes, I am. Close enough to be late 1st

[Movics]

If Boston starts a rebuild, is there any chance of trading for White or Holiday? If we had White this season instead of Conley… we’d be title favorites going into the conference finals

[BlacJacMac]

If Boston starts a rebuild, is there any chance of trading for White or Holiday? If we had White this season instead of Conley… we’d be title favorites going into the conference finals

White would be fantastic, but I don't know how we'd get him. He's a guy every contender would love to have.

[winforlose]

If Boston starts a rebuild, is there any chance of trading for White or Holiday? If we had White this season instead of Conley… we’d be title favorites going into the conference finals

White would be fantastic, but I don't know how we'd get him. He's a guy every contender would love to have.

He costs 28 million. Outside of trading Randle for him I don’t see how we get there. Naz on a sign and trade would hard cap us wouldn’t it? If Naz opted in, and then Mike was added, and maybe a Minott or Miller contract the money might work, but I don’t see Boston taking that or Naz opting in to be traded.

[Movics]

If Boston starts a rebuild, is there any chance of trading for White or Holiday? If we had White this season instead of Conley… we’d be title favorites going into the conference finals

White would be fantastic, but I don't know how we'd get him. He's a guy every contender would love to have.

He costs 28 million. Outside of trading Randle for him I don’t see how we get there. Naz on a sign and trade would hard cap us wouldn’t it? If Naz opted in, and then Mike was added, and maybe a Minott or Miller contract the money might work, but I don’t see Boston taking that or Naz opting in to be traded.

Jeez, he makes 20+ a year? I’m stuck in times where the Kobes and KGs made 20+

[BlacJacMac]

If Boston starts a rebuild, is there any chance of trading for White or Holiday? If we had White this season instead of Conley… we’d be title favorites going into the conference finals

White would be fantastic, but I don't know how we'd get him. He's a guy every contender would love to have.

He costs 28 million. Outside of trading Randle for him I don’t see how we get there. Naz on a sign and trade would hard cap us wouldn’t it? If Naz opted in, and then Mike was added, and maybe a Minott or Miller contract the money might work, but I don’t see Boston taking that or Naz opting in to be traded.

Exactly. I don't see how we get there.

Or why they'd trade him unless they're totally scrapping everything and dumping everyone.

He's shot at least 38% from 3 on good volume the past 3 years (38% on 9.1/game this year). He's an All-Defense player the past 2 years and he's a solid ballhandler and passer that doesn't turn it over. He's about the ideal guy to play next to Ant.

And he's under, what really is, a value contract through his age 33 season (28M/30M/32M).