Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[hugepatsfan]

I think Derrick White for Jabari Smith is something I'd pursue. KP is unreliable and likely gone next offseason if not traded before based on salary. Horford is old. Kornet is fun but not viable starter long term. Queta the same but even less viable. We joke about Tillman looking like Al... well he plays like he's the one that's actually 38 and on his last legs.

The ability to play 5 out with adequate rim protection and even do it out of double big lineups is major key to how we play. Jabari Smith could bring some of that. I think he can play the 5 in single big lineups and is viable at PF too obviously as he has been. Would suck to lose White but trading him for Smith would probably address our payroll concerns while also addressing a critical long term roster need.

[Larry_Russell]

I think Derrick White for Jabari Smith is something I'd pursue. KP is unreliable and likely gone next offseason if not traded before based on salary. Horford is old. Kornet is fun but not viable starter long term. Queta the same but even less viable. We joke about Tillman looking like Al... well he plays like he's the one that's actually 38 and on his last legs.

The ability to play 5 out with adequate rim protection and even do it out of double big lineups is major key to how we play. Jabari Smith could bring some of that. I think he can play the 5 in single big lineups and is viable at PF too obviously as he has been. Would suck to lose White but trading him for Smith would probably address our payroll concerns while also addressing a critical long term roster need.

White is as untouchable as Tatum, imo.

Borderline Allstar player (should be an allstar trutchfully) Defends, scores, shoots, handles the ball, NEVER complains. No issues whatsoever, very reasonable contract.


I like Jabari Smith Jr as well, but you get him through a Brown or Jrue trade.

[hugepatsfan]

I think Derrick White for Jabari Smith is something I'd pursue. KP is unreliable and likely gone next offseason if not traded before based on salary. Horford is old. Kornet is fun but not viable starter long term. Queta the same but even less viable. We joke about Tillman looking like Al... well he plays like he's the one that's actually 38 and on his last legs.

The ability to play 5 out with adequate rim protection and even do it out of double big lineups is major key to how we play. Jabari Smith could bring some of that. I think he can play the 5 in single big lineups and is viable at PF too obviously as he has been. Would suck to lose White but trading him for Smith would probably address our payroll concerns while also addressing a critical long term roster need.

White is as untouchable as Tatum, imo.

Borderline Allstar player (should be an allstar trutchfully) Defends, scores, shoots, handles the ball, NEVER complains. No issues whatsoever, very reasonable contract.


I like Jabari Smith Jr as well, but you get him through a Brown or Jrue trade.

Getting him through a Jrue trade is impractical. He won't be seen in high regard due to age/contract.

Trading Brown for him instead is a fair suggestion. My guess is the contract will make it really hard to get fair value for Brown so I find that less likely. Sucks, but feels like White is the guy who can be moved to fix both the financial side of things and reshape the team in a competitive way longer term.

[Higgs Boston]

Jabari smith is **** trash, a bench chucker player, he is worth a very late first at best, the rest of rockets fake stars aren't much better than him, the only interesting thing they have is thompson and the suns rounds.

[Larry_Russell]

I think Derrick White for Jabari Smith is something I'd pursue. KP is unreliable and likely gone next offseason if not traded before based on salary. Horford is old. Kornet is fun but not viable starter long term. Queta the same but even less viable. We joke about Tillman looking like Al... well he plays like he's the one that's actually 38 and on his last legs.

The ability to play 5 out with adequate rim protection and even do it out of double big lineups is major key to how we play. Jabari Smith could bring some of that. I think he can play the 5 in single big lineups and is viable at PF too obviously as he has been. Would suck to lose White but trading him for Smith would probably address our payroll concerns while also addressing a critical long term roster need.

White is as untouchable as Tatum, imo.

Borderline Allstar player (should be an allstar trutchfully) Defends, scores, shoots, handles the ball, NEVER complains. No issues whatsoever, very reasonable contract.


I like Jabari Smith Jr as well, but you get him through a Brown or Jrue trade.

Getting him through a Jrue trade is impractical. He won't be seen in high regard due to age/contract.

Trading Brown for him instead is a fair suggestion. My guess is the contract will make it really hard to get fair value for Brown so I find that less likely. Sucks, but feels like White is the guy who can be moved to fix both the financial side of things and reshape the team in a competitive way longer term.

with FVV being on the way out, a steady PG like Jrue is a good get for Houston, fits them like a glove, imo, also have to remember that Jabari was benched by Ime in favor of Dillon Brooks. Its a risk trading for Jabari and counting on him...

[Larry_Russell]

Brown and Kristaps to Charlotte

Miles bridges to Brooklyn into their capspace for a 2nd from Boston

Brandon Miller, Nurkic, Green, Mark Williams and #4 to Boston


Charlotte will make playoffs. 2 defenders who can shoot from range and 3 scorers.

Melo
Okogie
Brown
GrantW
Kristaps


Brooklyn uses capspace for picks. Bridges tries to raise his value

Boston retools for the future return of Tatum - Showcases Jrue, let Kornet walk, Horford retires. Use the 10th pick to get a young BIG forward (Murray-Boyles?, Ace?)

Jrue/Pritch/Davidson
White/Green
Miller/Schierman/Waslh
?????/Hauser/???
Nurkic/Williams/Queta

[redslastlaugh]

Brad Stevens did best as coach with a crew of hustling professional overachiever types like IT, Olynyk, Smart, Avery Bradley, Jerebko but Brad couldn't manage prickly, primadonna types like Kyrie Irving. So his weakness as a coach was managing the big egos... It seems to me his weakness as GM is he's gone too far on building the team by the analytics. Specifically Brad seems to have embraced the concept that generating 3pt attempts should be the primary purpose of our offense.

The Mazzulla Ball concept maxed out this season to levels never seen in NBA history and it really warped the teams performance. I think almost all our players regressed if you look at their WS/48 or PER or VORP or =/- or whatever this year. Other than Luke and PP, who on the 2025 Celtics had a better season than on the 2024 Celtics?

You look at Steven Adams resurgence as an impact playoff big on Houston and your first thought is, "that would never happen here because Adams doesn't shoot 3's" so Brad wouldn't bring him in and Joe wouldn't play him. You look at Mitch Robinson and you feel the same way. Amen Thompson, same. Some of the trade rumors have brought up Giannis... but Giannis doesn't shoot 3's ... Would Joe even want Giannis? I don't know that he would.

I'm less excited about Brad managing this rebuild because I don't think this version of Brad is the best version of Brad.

[celtics543]

I think a lot of you are overvaluing Jaylen Brown. He's valuable here but to another team, especially a young team, he's a guy with an enormous contract and an impact that doesn't really match the contract. I'm not saying he's a negative trade asset but I don't see the incentive for a team like Charlotte to give up Brandon Miller and the #4 for him or San Antonio to give up the 2nd pick.

He's a very good #2, maybe the best #2 in the league. The problem is he's being paid like one of the best #1's in the league. There's also the nagging injuries with him that would make me nervous if I was another team looking to cash in my young players.

I like JB and I recognize his importance to us but I don't think he carries as much trade value as we'd hope. Same for Porzingis too. It's a good contract for him if he's healthy but that has rarely been the case. Jrue is older and has a good size deal starting this year.

I kind of think we're stuck right now. And teams know we have to dump someone or multiple someones to avoid an astronomical salary bill. Kind of over a barrel right now, unfortunately.

[Lacanm1]

I think trading Jaylen and Kristaps will be way harder to trade than Jrue. I love Jrue but hes clearly declined this year and some sucker of a GM is going to want his "leadership". Kristaps has completley tanked his value and im not sure what they can get from a salary dump of him

[Higgs Boston]

There is no need to destroy the core, team can trade holiday, porzingis and hauser, let go players that help win games in RS like horford and kornet. Then bring young players that are bad shooters with potential, if they don't improve the team will get a high pick and if they improve the team will get a high pick and assets in players.
Use or trade that high pick for a starter then trade 1-2 picks to get another starter.
At worst the team can trade White because of his current value and the age he will be in 2 years but it makes harder to find 3 starters with these assets.

[chrisab123]

Brown and Kristaps to Charlotte

Miles bridges to Brooklyn into their capspace for a 2nd from Boston

Brandon Miller, Nurkic, Green, Mark Williams and #4 to Boston


Charlotte will make playoffs. 2 defenders who can shoot from range and 3 scorers.

Melo
Okogie
Brown
GrantW
Kristaps


Brooklyn uses capspace for picks. Bridges tries to raise his value

Boston retools for the future return of Tatum - Showcases Jrue, let Kornet walk, Horford retires. Use the 10th pick to get a young BIG forward (Murray-Boyles?, Ace?)

Jrue/Pritch/Davidson
White/Green
Miller/Schierman/Waslh
?????/Hauser/???
Nurkic/Williams/Queta

That deal is brutal for Boston. Why would they do that other than wanting to tank next year? Essentially you become the Hornets and you vault Charlotte into the 2nd or maybe with luck the ECF by pairing Ball Brown and KP. I know “They have no choice, they need to get under the cap” but it’s a 3 person draft this year so you get some guy at 4 who you’re hoping could become Jaylen Brown, Miller who is mid, Williams who can’t pass a physical and Nurcic who no one wants.

You all are just bored at this point.

[djFan71]

I'm looking for just small $ savings, position to duck the tax in 26-27, and be ready to contend when Tatum's back.

Jrue for PJ Washington and Klay
Hauser for pick(s) / no money.

PJ is your stop gap for Tatum. Then expires.
Klay is half of Jrue's cost for 26-27 and expiring after that. And he's been through an achilles tear before so good support for JT.
With Hauser for picks and that, you save probably $50-60M in taxes.

Sign Al and Luke to vet min.

That's it for moves.

I keep White and Brown.

I keep KP. He lifts our ceiling. Annoyingly unreliable, but whatever. If he's healthy and playing we're really good. He's expiring so it's just tax this season. I even try to resign him for MLE or less $ after next year. Dump Klay if needed.

White, Pritchard
Klay, Baylor
Brown, Walsh
Al, PJ
KP, Luke

That team is still pretty good. Can make the playoffs and setup to duck the tax the next year. And you're not a bare shell when Tatum comes back.

[165bows]

Does it make sense to keep White? He'll be 31 next year. If you assume it takes a year for Tatum to get fully up to speed, White will be 33 by the time that happens. I feel like what they can trade White for now could very well be better (and more financially workable) than what White will be at that time.

Personally I’m not even into giving up the second year (on a scenario where JT is out next year).

Just think it’s too hard to get enough good players back in the house if they rip it to the studs. And there are only so many years left call it pre-32/33 JT personally I’m wary of punting more than one.

And Jokoc is kind of the no brianer haha good idea guy proposal but it also speaks to a larger point you have touched on a lot. Ie contract value. And I’ve been cautious about the trade JB train but his situation becomes more difficult upcoming when there will become a big focus on the most high value deals in the league.

It is. If Brown is admitted a top 25 guy, best case top 15ish it makes zero sense to deal him for picks and a top 50 ish guy if you’re going to want to be competitive for when Tatum comes back. If not then you probably move Tatum when he comes back and start over before he wants to be moved himself. Trading Brown for an upgrade is fine and should be explored, trading Brown with an eye towards rebuilding is something that should be avoided.

I made a few posts about JB back when it looked like this team could be one the way to a title repeat.

Posts to the effect of his legacy or just how he is regarded will swing big on the next few seasons following his finals mvp.

Stinks he’s hurt but there will be more and more of what is baseline production and what is outlier.

[Cricket23]

I like the idea of Brown to Houston for Jabari, Green, and #10, contingent on the ability to flip Green somewhere else, like Brooklyn for Cam Johnson. That would save quite a bit of money, and they'd still be able to deal Jrue, KP, and Hauser to get a Center and save even more money.

White/Pritch
Johnson
Tatum when back/BS
Jabari
Trade? #10?

[chrisab123]

I like the idea of Brown to Houston for Jabari, Green, and #10, contingent on the ability to flip Green somewhere else, like Brooklyn for Cam Johnson. That would save quite a bit of money, and they'd still be able to deal Jrue, KP, and Hauser to get a Center and save even more money.

White/Pritch
Johnson
Tatum when back/BS
Jabari
Trade? #10?

Why does everyone love Jabari Smith? I don’t see it with him. I’m also not a Cam Johnson fan either. I feel you’re selling Brown at 40 cents on the dollar.

[Cricket23]

I like the idea of Brown to Houston for Jabari, Green, and #10, contingent on the ability to flip Green somewhere else, like Brooklyn for Cam Johnson. That would save quite a bit of money, and they'd still be able to deal Jrue, KP, and Hauser to get a Center and save even more money.

White/Pritch
Johnson
Tatum when back/BS
Jabari
Trade? #10?

Why does everyone love Jabari Smith? I don’t see it with him. I’m also not a Cam Johnson fan either. I feel you’re selling Brown at 40 cents on the dollar.

Modern 4, excellent defender who can rebound and shoot, can also play small ball 5. Only 22

Celtics get bigger, younger, less expensive.

[chrisab123]

I like the idea of Brown to Houston for Jabari, Green, and #10, contingent on the ability to flip Green somewhere else, like Brooklyn for Cam Johnson. That would save quite a bit of money, and they'd still be able to deal Jrue, KP, and Hauser to get a Center and save even more money.

White/Pritch
Johnson
Tatum when back/BS
Jabari
Trade? #10?

Why does everyone love Jabari Smith? I don’t see it with him. I’m also not a Cam Johnson fan either. I feel you’re selling Brown at 40 cents on the dollar.

Modern 4, excellent defender who can rebound and shoot, can also play small ball 5. Only 22

Celtics get bigger, younger, less expensive.

Sure but he’s played 3 years, nothing about him has really stood out. He’s slightly better than mid. He’s 22 so he could be something. Could end up being a top 75-85 player I guess. It just screams salary dump. Cam Johnson probably isn’t as effective on the Celtics since he’s the main option on a trash ass Brooklyn squad.

[Cricket23]

Why does everyone love Jabari Smith? I don’t see it with him. I’m also not a Cam Johnson fan either. I feel you’re selling Brown at 40 cents on the dollar.

Modern 4, excellent defender who can rebound and shoot, can also play small ball 5. Only 22

Celtics get bigger, younger, less expensive.

Sure but he’s played 3 years, nothing about him has really stood out. He’s slightly better than mid. He’s 22 so he could be something. Could end up being a top 75-85 player I guess. It just screams salary dump. Cam Johnson probably isn’t as effective on the Celtics since he’s the main option on a trash ass Brooklyn squad.

I like these players because they don't need the ball to be effective. The number 10 pick is nice as well and plus the money savings will help with flexibility. Some people think Brown is a negative, I would be happy with this package.

[chrisab123]

Modern 4, excellent defender who can rebound and shoot, can also play small ball 5. Only 22

Celtics get bigger, younger, less expensive.

Sure but he’s played 3 years, nothing about him has really stood out. He’s slightly better than mid. He’s 22 so he could be something. Could end up being a top 75-85 player I guess. It just screams salary dump. Cam Johnson probably isn’t as effective on the Celtics since he’s the main option on a trash ass Brooklyn squad.

I like these players because they don't need the ball to be effective. The number 10 pick is nice as well and plus the money savings will help with flexibility. Some people think Brown is a negative, I would be happy with this package.

The other problem with the package is that this draft isn’t particularly deep either. So the 10th pick in this draft is probably as valuable as the 20th. I can’t see Tatum being super excited to rush back to be on this squad tbh.

[Cricket23]

Sure but he’s played 3 years, nothing about him has really stood out. He’s slightly better than mid. He’s 22 so he could be something. Could end up being a top 75-85 player I guess. It just screams salary dump. Cam Johnson probably isn’t as effective on the Celtics since he’s the main option on a trash ass Brooklyn squad.

I like these players because they don't need the ball to be effective. The number 10 pick is nice as well and plus the money savings will help with flexibility. Some people think Brown is a negative, I would be happy with this package.

The other problem with the package is that this draft isn’t particularly deep either. So the 10th pick in this draft is probably as valuable as the 20th. I can’t see Tatum being super excited to rush back to be on this squad tbh.

Maybe more pics are involved? What do you get back for Jrue, KP, and Hauser? I understand some people won't like it, I like it.