2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 7

[BoyzNTheHood]

Givoni has CMB at 9 and fleming all the way at 27. What am i missing?

Besides the fact that Givony has been a joke ever since he joined ESPN?

[nowayguy]

Givoni has CMB at 9 and fleming all the way at 27. What am i missing?

CMB is much better at self-creation.

Edit: and better defensively

[WuTang_CMB]

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[ForeverTFC]

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makes sense. why wouldn't you want to have a cost controlled asset for 8 years in a small market team.

3 reasons:
1. On average, the lottery pick is at their peak value before they play a single NBA game
2. A realistic chance to trade for one of the best 5 players in the league rarely comes along
3. When you are close to or inside a contention window, you maximize it

[bballsparkin]

Okay, that was an impressive answer by CMB. My interest has raised. Just worried about the shooting.

I'm surprised how many are down on Kon. He seems like one of the few sure fire bets in the top 10 to me. I get the overlap and fears of him defensively. He's smart and strong though. I haven't watched much Jak. Guess I should start.

[bballsparkin]

Givoni has CMB at 9 and fleming all the way at 27. What am i missing?

These mochs are all over the place. I don't think they have any idea either.

[Clutch0z24]

Okay, that was an impressive answer by CMB. My interest has raised. Just worried about the shooting.

I'm surprised how many are down on Kon. He seems like one of the few sure fire bets in the top 10 to me. I get the overlap and fears of him defensively. He's smart and strong though. I haven't watched much Jak. Guess I should start.

How does interviews/Draft combine change anyones interest or disinterest in a player? All this stuff means nothing at the end of the day....All that mattes is the production on the court...

Most of this class seem to have good kids in it....No head cases....CMB does not fit the roster at all even if he was the greatest person in the world....It does not make much sense from a basketball perspective drafting him unless you are making significant changes to the roster....Can't shoot and is undersized for his style of play....Thats been notoriously bad....Kidd Gil, Winslow come to mind....Hes a good defensive player but can he really guard a Jokic down low only being 6"6? Can he guard any bigger PFs? Is he a wing?....2 many questions...

Draymond is his comp...And thats if he hits his absolute peak....If he does not you are talking about bust territory...Or the end of the bench hustle player...

[tanuki1031]

Can we trade Poetl to OKC for #15 & #24?

Any three among Maluach, Bryant, Fleming, Coward.

Then do the Giannis trade with Barnes, RJ, Dick, 4 FRPs 2 swaps

[TakeYourHeart]

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lol gotta be careful with your words. We ain’t drafting him.

No thanks, bro's about to be a millionaire and already complaining about taxes

[bballsparkin]

Okay, that was an impressive answer by CMB. My interest has raised. Just worried about the shooting.

I'm surprised how many are down on Kon. He seems like one of the few sure fire bets in the top 10 to me. I get the overlap and fears of him defensively. He's smart and strong though. I haven't watched much Jak. Guess I should start.

How does interviews/Draft combine change anyones interest or disinterest in a player? All this stuff means nothing at the end of the day....All that mattes is the production on the court...

Most of this class seem to have good kids in it....No head cases....CMB does not fit the roster at all even if he was the greatest person in the world....It does not make much sense from a basketball perspective drafting him unless you are making significant changes to the roster....Can't shoot and is undersized for his style of play....Thats been notoriously bad....Kidd Gil, Winslow come to mind....Hes a good defensive player but can he really guard a Jokic down low only being 6"6? Can he guard any bigger PFs? Is he a wing?....2 many questions...

Aaron Gordon type player potential? Let's face it this is Canada. When an American young man like that answers informatively like he did in regards to Toronto's team I am impressed. To me it shows a sense of maturity. Also, CMB is the kind of player I'd love to have on the team if he can shoot. Or rather, the potential to become a player who can shoot. I know that's a scary sounding sentence that we've heard before so I understand the reluctance. If the belief that he can not be expected to improve his shot significantly than I agree. I mean we're still waiting for Scottie to develop a shot so I get it.

I don't really have any favourite in this draft. Cooper obviously. Harper. I think VJ is a safe bet. Kon. I'd be fine if the FO think KM is the guy. Lots of options.

[Indeed]

Givoni has CMB at 9 and fleming all the way at 27. What am i missing?

CMB is much better at self-creation.

Edit: and better defensively

He has zero perimeter creation, not even 3 point shooting.
We have discussed this long time ago, he is not going to create like he was in college in the post.

[djsunyc]

is kon knipple similar to corey kispert?

[Yallbecrazy]

Givoni has CMB at 9 and fleming all the way at 27. What am i missing?

CMB is much better at self-creation.

Edit: and better defensively

He has zero perimeter creation, not even 3 point shooting.
We have discussed this long time ago, he is not going to create like he was in college in the post.

He has an explosive first step and a good handle so he does have a really good face up game. He is also an elite passer out of the short roll in the screen game. He will create a ton out of that in the NBA. Have him set a screen and give him the ball on the short roll he can now find a cutter, blow by a big with his face up game or punish a smaller guy.

He routinely blew by centres in college by facing them up.

[Dalek]

Givoni has CMB at 9 and fleming all the way at 27. What am i missing?

CMB is much better at self-creation.

Edit: and better defensively

I mean Fleming should be proud of his development as a shooter but he doesn't have any handle and is more of a play finisher. He also doesn't pass the ball - the 8.5 Ast% to 12 TO% speaks volumes to me.

I also think CMB can defend in space better. Fleming is more successful in help positions rotating to block shots. CMB is pretty versatile but if threes are important CMB won't stick in the lotto.

[djsunyc]

i don't follow the draft too closely but if we want to really keep the defensive identity we are starting to form then i dont see how queen fits.

[Clutch0z24]

Okay, that was an impressive answer by CMB. My interest has raised. Just worried about the shooting.

I'm surprised how many are down on Kon. He seems like one of the few sure fire bets in the top 10 to me. I get the overlap and fears of him defensively. He's smart and strong though. I haven't watched much Jak. Guess I should start.

How does interviews/Draft combine change anyones interest or disinterest in a player? All this stuff means nothing at the end of the day....All that mattes is the production on the court...

Most of this class seem to have good kids in it....No head cases....CMB does not fit the roster at all even if he was the greatest person in the world....It does not make much sense from a basketball perspective drafting him unless you are making significant changes to the roster....Can't shoot and is undersized for his style of play....Thats been notoriously bad....Kidd Gil, Winslow come to mind....Hes a good defensive player but can he really guard a Jokic down low only being 6"6? Can he guard any bigger PFs? Is he a wing?....2 many questions...

Aaron Gordon type player potential? Let's face it this is Canada. When an American young man like that answers informatively like he did in regards to Toronto's team I am impressed. To me it shows a sense of maturity. Also, CMB is the kind of player I'd love to have on the team if he can shoot. Or rather, the potential to become a player who can shoot. I know that's a scary sounding sentence that we've heard before so I understand the reluctance. If the belief that he can not be expected to improve his shot significantly than I agree. I mean we're still waiting for Scottie to develop a shot so I get it.

I don't really have any favourite in this draft. Cooper obviously. Harper. I think VJ is a safe bet. Kon. I'd be fine if the FO think KM is the guy. Lots of options.

Would love if he could add any kind of offensive game and a shot but its unlikely....And at 9th imagine tanking a whole year and your one crack at a top pick you walk away with a defensive minded undersized non shooting big who can't play with Barnes or Yak because the court spacing would be horrendous....If we had a roster like the Warriors CMB would make more sense....CMB needs to be surrounded by elite shooters and a 7+ foot C who can space the floor and rim protect to succeed his absolute peak...

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Pointgod]

How does interviews/Draft combine change anyones interest or disinterest in a player? All this stuff means nothing at the end of the day....All that mattes is the production on the court...

Most of this class seem to have good kids in it....No head cases....CMB does not fit the roster at all even if he was the greatest person in the world....It does not make much sense from a basketball perspective drafting him unless you are making significant changes to the roster....Can't shoot and is undersized for his style of play....Thats been notoriously bad....Kidd Gil, Winslow come to mind....Hes a good defensive player but can he really guard a Jokic down low only being 6"6? Can he guard any bigger PFs? Is he a wing?....2 many questions...

Aaron Gordon type player potential? Let's face it this is Canada. When an American young man like that answers informatively like he did in regards to Toronto's team I am impressed. To me it shows a sense of maturity. Also, CMB is the kind of player I'd love to have on the team if he can shoot. Or rather, the potential to become a player who can shoot. I know that's a scary sounding sentence that we've heard before so I understand the reluctance. If the belief that he can not be expected to improve his shot significantly than I agree. I mean we're still waiting for Scottie to develop a shot so I get it.

I don't really have any favourite in this draft. Cooper obviously. Harper. I think VJ is a safe bet. Kon. I'd be fine if the FO think KM is the guy. Lots of options.

Would love if he could add any kind of offensive game and a shot but its unlikely....And at 9th imagine tanking a whole year and your one crack at a top pick you walk away with a defensive minded undersized non shooting big who can't play with Barnes or Yak because the court spacing would be horrendous....If we had a roster like the Warriors CMB would make more sense....CMB needs to be surrounded by elite shooters and a 7+ foot C who can space the floor and rim protect to succeed his absolute peak...

Bro just trade the pick for a vet. This team is cooked already.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Can we trade Poetl to OKC for #15 & #24?

Any three among Maluach, Bryant, Fleming, Coward.

Then do the Giannis trade with Barnes, RJ, Dick, 4 FRPs 2 swaps

Why would Giannis come here to play with a bunch of rookies?

[BoyzNTheHood]

is kon knipple similar to corey kispert?

Kispert is is basically a standstill shooter. Kon is more of a creator.