J.Allen market

[In-N-Out 247]

Teams can make trades as soon as their season is over.

Hey Scoot - based on what you know let me know if this still works/makes sense under the current rules.

This trade could be done as soon as today using 24/25 salaries:

Rockets trade: VanVleet - $42,846,615 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Holiday - $4,668,000 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Whitmore $3,379,080 & #10 For Durant - $51,179,021. (outgoing salaries - $50,893,695, incoming $51,179,021)

Suns Trade - Durant - $51,179,021 for VanVleet - $42,846,615, Whitmore - $3,379,080 & #10. (Outgoing - $51,179,021, incoming $46,225,695) This deal saves them $4,953,326 in salary which would cut their tax bill by about $27M.

Bulls acquire Holiday - $4,668,000 (using a portion of the Lavine TPE) and a 2nd round pick.

At a glance it would be legal. However, important to remember that Houston would hard cap themselves at the first apron for next season (for receiving more salary in trade than they send out), and luxury tax levels are frozen on the last day of the season, so Phoenix wouldn’t actually be cutting their luxury tax bills for this season.

Ok that's good to know, thought it was calculated at the end of the league year - 6/30.

[Scoot McGroot]

Hey Scoot - based on what you know let me know if this still works/makes sense under the current rules.

This trade could be done as soon as today using 24/25 salaries:

Rockets trade: VanVleet - $42,846,615 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Holiday - $4,668,000 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Whitmore $3,379,080 & #10 For Durant - $51,179,021. (outgoing salaries - $50,893,695, incoming $51,179,021)

Suns Trade - Durant - $51,179,021 for VanVleet - $42,846,615, Whitmore - $3,379,080 & #10. (Outgoing - $51,179,021, incoming $46,225,695) This deal saves them $4,953,326 in salary which would cut their tax bill by about $27M.

Bulls acquire Holiday - $4,668,000 (using a portion of the Lavine TPE) and a 2nd round pick.

At a glance it would be legal. However, important to remember that Houston would hard cap themselves at the first apron for next season (for receiving more salary in trade than they send out), and luxury tax levels are frozen on the last day of the season, so Phoenix wouldn’t actually be cutting their luxury tax bills for this season.

Ok that's good to know, thought it was calculated at the end of the league year - 6/30.

It was a change in a previous CBA after multiple teams had carried luxury taxes into the post season and then dumped salary at the draft to save money.

[QMemphis]

How about Garland/Allen for Franz/Carter Jr think that could work.

[jbk1234]

How about Garland/Allen for Franz/Carter Jr think that could work.

Injuries aside, WCJ has managed to shoot league average from 3 in only one of his six seasons in the NBA. His career average is .316 on 2.3 attempts. That's not just good enough to keep a playoff defense honest. Franz has never shot career average from 3 over 4 seasons. His career average is .322.

So we lose Allen rim protection, Garland's playmaking and ability to space the floor, for slightly better perimeter defense at the 3? I just don't think that team is in anyway as dangerous as the current one and the offense will get clunky in a hurry. Meanwhile we've fixed the Magic who are in the same conference and young enough to share our timeline.

That's before you get value. I don't have WCJ as an asset after that extension.

[Astaluego]

J.Collins+12..CAVS
Vucevic+ Terry+ 2 SRP(Bulls) JAZZ
Allen+Okoro BULLS

The best teams in the Eastern Conference play with 5 open or not too dominant offensively in the paint (KP / Lopez / Towns / Turner), in this trade they get Collins who is a good rebounder and improve the spacing with his 3-point threat, also they get a lottery pick in a fairly deep Draft in the lottery, where probably one of C. Bryant / Murray-Boyles / Newell / T. Sorber is available depending on the profile they are looking for.. they also save a few million with the departure of Okoro

[Skybox]

So if I am breaking up the core 4, I'm personally trading Garland. I think you can set your team up better going that route. But to play along here, I want Moseley to have a real center. Yes Orlando still needs a creator, but I'd solve that next.

Black
Carter Jr
16

Cleveland backfills center with a playable guy, adds a young guard they will need and mixes in a rookie for more cheap dept.
Orlando makes their defense truly terrifying with an actual anchor.

I'd hate to give up Black AND #16, but I'd do it...and I think WCJ and Black add the toughness CLE was clearly lacking. Black will be completely underrated by many here, imo. I'd do it because WCJ does have an extension that bumps him to $18m in a couple of years and I don't want him starting as the long-term C in ORL. In CLE, he'd be a bruising PF but he's very capable of switching onto the perimeter too. #16 still feels a bit much, but...

Allen, imo, is just what ORL needs...I'd hope ORL sends Goga out in another deal and just fills in with the best avaialable big at #25 (Wolf, Sorber, Raynaud) to better balance the finances at that position. They could even pick up someone like Tristan Thompson or Miles Plumlee on a vet min to eat 5-10 mins when needed. Hopefully, Moe Wagner is back fairly early in the season.

[Clav]

Cavs receive Mark Williams, Salaun, Grant Williams
Hornets receive Jarrett Allen

? Just thinking if Hornets want a relatively proven C locked up, and then Cavs have a bit more wing depth with this. Mark Williams might not be Allen, but he perhaps replicates what Allen does for less and can still improve.

[cavsfanatic]

Houston and Cleveland can get something done...Sengun and Adams were good together in the playoffs...just think of Allen and Sengun.
Jabari and Eason would get it done for me. Otherwise I'd look elsewhere or keep Allen. I don't want draft picks i need players that will help now.

[axeman23]

Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Unless Maluach is still on the board (I'm skeptical) we'd need you to sign Adams and wait for him to be trade eligible. We can't have Mobley and nobody as our center rotation. Just keep No. 10 and sub in a protected future first.

I've wanted Adams on the Cavs for about a decade, even moreso now with Mobley there! But I'd hate to lose Allen in doing so.

[axeman23]

How about Garland/Allen for Franz/Carter Jr think that could work.

I'd CONSIDER it from a talent perspective, but I don't trust Mitchell not going hero-ball as soon as the playoffs roll around AGAIN. And since you've given up your best playmaker and link with Mobley, he has no reason to change or fear of being benched.

[axeman23]

How about Garland/Allen for Franz/Carter Jr think that could work.

Injuries aside, WCJ has managed to shoot league average from 3 in only one of his six seasons in the NBA. His career average is .316 on 2.3 attempts. That's not just good enough to keep a playoff defense honest. Franz has never shot career average from 3 over 4 seasons. His career average is .322.

So we lose Allen rim protection, Garland's playmaking and ability to space the floor, for slightly better perimeter defense at the 3? I just don't think that team is in anyway as dangerous as the current one and the offense will get clunky in a hurry. Meanwhile we've fixed the Magic who are in the same conference and young enough to share our timeline.

That's before you get value. I don't have WCJ as an asset after that extension.

I wouldn't have guessed that. I guess I'd have to withdraw my support for the trade as constructed, knowing that.

[mcfly1204]

Houston and Cleveland can get something done...Sengun and Adams were good together in the playoffs...just think of Allen and Sengun.
Jabari and Eason would get it done for me. Otherwise I'd look elsewhere or keep Allen. I don't want draft picks i need players that will help now.

Going out of your way to pair Allen with Sengun makes zero sense. I can almost hear the opposing defenses packing the paint as I type this.

[jbk1234]

Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Unless Maluach is still on the board (I'm skeptical) we'd need you to sign Adams and wait for him to be trade eligible. We can't have Mobley and nobody as our center rotation. Just keep No. 10 and sub in a protected future first.

Take Londale, then.

He's awful. I'd rather trade No. 10 for a real backup center.

[Tripod]

Go big...Allen+Garland for Giannis

[KdoubleDees23]

Hunter Allen and Dean Wade for KD and suns draft pick

Cavs run

Garland
Mitchell
Strus
KD
Mobley

[ReggiesKnicks]

Hunter Allen and Dean Wade for KD and suns draft pick

Cavs run

Garland
Mitchell
Strus
KD
Mobley

Cavaliers can't aggregate

[Texas Chuck]

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Setting aside the whole issue of being serious competitors in what could be a much weakened Eastern Conference, would Indiana be willing to deal some of their depth pieces for Allen as opposed to paying Turner? He's cost controlled and while he doesn't provide the spacing, Rick has gotten great mileage out of classic rim running centers.

[Godaddycurse]

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Setting aside the whole issue of being serious competitors in what could be a much weakened Eastern Conference, would Indiana be willing to deal some of their depth pieces for Allen as opposed to paying Turner? He's cost controlled and while he doesn't provide the spacing, Rick has gotten great mileage out of classic rim running centers.

Siakam works best with a stretch 5 though

[ReggiesKnicks]

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Setting aside the whole issue of being serious competitors in what could be a much weakened Eastern Conference, would Indiana be willing to deal some of their depth pieces for Allen as opposed to paying Turner? He's cost controlled and while he doesn't provide the spacing, Rick has gotten great mileage out of classic rim running centers.

I think so, but I also think they will be valuing Turner's spacing incredibly high. Given how wide open the East is and appears to be next year as well, I have to wonder if ownership is willing to finally pay some tax for a team that exceeds the sum of its parts.

Center is also an interesting position, right? Is the difference between Jarrett Allen/Myles Turner and Derrick Lively, Walker Kessler, Jalen Duren going to truly shift the balance of a playoff series? It might, but I also find myself really struggling when comparing the 8th and 20th best centers.

There are a lot of variables at hand, but I love and adore the value a true rim runner provides. I think Jarrett Allen would provide similar overall spacing as Myself Turner, but via a different avenue.

Gun to my head, it would depend on which depth pieces and if we were getting value back in a Myles Turner S+T to then flip for Allen. Yeah, I like the idea of acquiring Allen.

[ReggiesKnicks]

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Setting aside the whole issue of being serious competitors in what could be a much weakened Eastern Conference, would Indiana be willing to deal some of their depth pieces for Allen as opposed to paying Turner? He's cost controlled and while he doesn't provide the spacing, Rick has gotten great mileage out of classic rim running centers.

Siakam works best with a stretch 5 though

Ben Taylor touched on Siakam today in a unique way. The gist of Siakam's superpower is to attack space incredibly quickly as a slasher in ways most other players don't at his size. His movement in our offense is irreplaceable with the combination of his speed and strength as he attacks openings our offense creates with ball movement, spacing, and passing. Rick has done an excellent job of putting Siakam in a position to attack any sliver of space, and Siakam is comfortable attacking the space in a unique way, which few players in the NBA do.

I agree adding a dunker's spot center can eat up some of that space, but there are ways to utilize Allen's vertical spacing where he isn't meandering in the Dunker's spot. In fact, I think Rick would utilize Allen's combination of athleticism and movement for his size to be highly impactful.