Tre Johnson vs VJ Edgecombe

[JMAC3]

Both in the 3-6 range right now, both off ball guards. Who you taking?

[Chi town]

Would depend on VJ’s height and interviews.

Tre will be an elite shooter and I could see him as a legit 2nd option but I have to know he will compete on D.

Need to believe VJ has the work ethic to develop a handle play on ball.

If I believe both and VJ has the height I’m going with him. If he measure like 6’3 im going with Tre.

[RipCity71252]

VJ for me. Higher floor/higher ceiling. And im not crazy high on VJ...

Good shooter, better connecting piece with quicker decision making, cutting and finishing.

Can get to the rim with the ball even though the process is a mess right now. Don't have a lot of hope for Tre there. Just has very little burst with the ball and is so contact averse.

Technically VJ left a lot to be desired for me defensively but he obviously brings more value on that end with just his pure event creation. Very strong for his size, uber quick hands and makes out of area plays.

[JRoy]

VJ for me. Higher floor/higher ceiling. And im not crazy high on VJ...

Good shooter, better connecting piece with quicker decision making, cutting and finishing.

Can get to the rim with the ball even though the process is a mess right now. Don't have a lot of hope for Tre there. Just has very little burst with the ball and is so contact averse.

Technically VJ left a lot to be desired for me defensively but he obviously brings more value on that end with just his pure event creation. Very strong for his size, uber quick hands and makes out of area plays.

Not crazy about either guy, but like Johnson a little better. Will be interesting to see how they stack up at the combine in terms of their tangibles.

[Catchall]

I think Tre Johnson is likely to be a near-elite off-ball scorer, an Option 1B type.

I think VJ is likely your 3rd guy (e.g., Oladipo, JR Smith, Larry Hughes, etc.), unless he becomes more reliable off the dribble.

For the Jazz, I'd probably go with Tre at this stage.

[Chi town]

I think Tre Johnson is likely to be a near-elite off-ball scorer, an Option 1B type.

I think VJ is likely your 3rd guy (e.g., Oladipo, JR Smith, Larry Hughes, etc.), unless he becomes more reliable off the dribble.

For the Jazz, I'd probably go with Tre at this stage.

1B is Tre’s ceiling. If he has an elite passing PG and team to take advantage of his movement shooting he can get there.

VJ probably tops out as a 2nd option but he has a long ways to go on ball. His defense will play right away. He has Cason Wallace All NBA level Defense

[JMAC3]

Size will matter, shooting in workouts will matter a ton.

If VJ shoots it just okay and Tre lights it up I could see him being the pick just because of where the NBA is right now. If he is going to shoot 7-8 threes per game as a rookie the value is pretty high.

[CptCrunch]

Tre Johnson is a better prospect to me with better median outcome.

It doesn't matter what someone's ceiling is. You don't need to have 1a ceiling in the NBA to be a great player. Many people don't even think Tatum is a 1a to this day. I literally don't care if you think Tre cannot be a top 5 player; that is fine.

Tre is the most talented shot jacker to come along in a while. His path to a Kyrie, Trae, Booker level of absurd shooting is straightforward, not necessarily guaranteed.

In general I'm not a fan of VJ type prospects, raw athelete, but I was so absurdly wrong about Amen and Ausar Thompson, so there is that. I called Amem not a NBA player, but he is on track to becoming a top 15 player within next 2 years.

[Catchall]

Take Collin Sexton, make him 3 inches taller, keep the wingspan the same, make him a better one-foot jumper. This is what VJ Edgecombe looks like to me--a high-energy, athletic combo-guard who is probably your third option on offense. He can get you 20 pts, but he's not a reliable playmaker or iso-scorer. He's more the Oladipo or maybe JR Smith third option.

Right now, I'd probably take Tre Johnson. He'll be a bonafide weapon shooter/scorer from all over the floor, and he's probably a safer pick overall at this stage.

[babyjax13]

Take Collin Sexton, make him 3 inches taller, keep the wingspan the same, make him a better one-foot jumper. This is what VJ Edgecombe looks like to me--a high-energy, athletic combo-guard who is probably your third option on offense. He can get you 20 pts, but he's not a reliable playmaker or iso-scorer. He's more the Oladipo or maybe JR Smith third option.

Right now, I'd probably take Tre Johnson. He'll be a bonafide weapon shooter/scorer from all over the floor, and he's probably a safer pick overall at this stage.

Sexton but 3 inches taller is just a dramatically more valuable player than Sexton actually is.

[Catchall]

Take Collin Sexton, make him 3 inches taller, keep the wingspan the same, make him a better one-foot jumper. This is what VJ Edgecombe looks like to me--a high-energy, athletic combo-guard who is probably your third option on offense. He can get you 20 pts, but he's not a reliable playmaker or iso-scorer. He's more the Oladipo or maybe JR Smith third option.

Right now, I'd probably take Tre Johnson. He'll be a bonafide weapon shooter/scorer from all over the floor, and he's probably a safer pick overall at this stage.

Sexton but 3 inches taller is just a dramatically more valuable player than Sexton actually is.

I agree. Especially on the defensive side.

[JMAC3]

I think it is obvious Tre is the better shooter, VJ the better defender.

Which guy is the better playmaker to you guys?

[babyjax13]

I think it is obvious Tre is the better shooter, VJ the better defender.

Which guy is the better playmaker to you guys?

IMO, the one who has the best handle (Tre).

[Braggins]

VJ ~ 4.3 ast/70 ~ 19.2% ast% ~ 1.66 ast/tov
Tre ~ 3.2 ast/70 ~ 16.5% ast% ~ 1.50 ast/tov

[EMG518]

Tre for me, VJ, not sure what he is at his size with his skill set. 190lb shooting guard that's not that good at shooting yet and is physically going to be smaller than guys is concerning to me.

Not saying he can't be impactful but not sure what his role looks like at the next level.

[bkohler]

Didn’t they both measure in at nearly the same size at the combine? Tre was .75 inches taller and 3 inch longer wingspan but a shorter standing reach.

[EMG518]

Didn’t they both measure in at nearly the same size at the combine? Tre was .75 inches taller and 3 inch longer wingspan but a shorter standing reach.

Tre is a lights out shooter with over a 6'10 wingspan, weight is similar but Tre is clearly the player with more weight to add to his frame and VJ although similar weight is shorter, not as long, and still has a lot to develop offensively.

I personally am not going to bank on the defensive impact of 190lb sg

[bkohler]

Is anyone else concerned Tre will be Ben Mclemore or Nick young?

Or that VJ caps out at a role player level?

It feels like splitting hairs between both of these, I’d be fine with either as CHA or UTA but I wouldn’t be banking on either being stars. I worry watching Tre that it never seems like he’s the best athlete on the floor, for all his shooting his advanced stats are not good in any department except shooting and then he’s efg% was the same as VJ because Tre sucks at the rim.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Is anyone else concerned Tre will be Ben Mclemore or Nick young?

Or that VJ caps out at a role player level?

It feels like splitting hairs between both of these, I’d be fine with either as CHA or UTA but I wouldn’t be banking on either being stars. I worry watching Tre that it never seems like he’s the best athlete on the floor, for all his shooting his advanced stats are not good in any department except shooting and then he’s efg% was the same as VJ because Tre sucks at the rim.

I think there's a scenario where neither, one or both of them become stars. Imagine VJ improves his handle and bag allowing him to attack with the ball in his hands on offense able to utilize his great athleticism. Then I think we're looking at a poor man's Wade. Or the offense goes through Tre and he can utilize his underrated passing ability and becomes Booker 2.0. I see it more likely for Tre which is why I have him higher and feel it's more likely VJ ends up as an Okoro/Smart level role-player. It's up to them to put in the work and of course hope they're given the opportunity which is never a given.