Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[jakecronus8]

If Giannis really was made available for Flagg, the Mavs would be utterly stupid to say no. Giannis is one of the few real difference makers in the league and makes that team an instant contender.

Flagg is an impressive prospect but there is no guarantee about where his ceiling will hit. If he’s like prime Kevin Love or Paul George level for example then that’s cool and all but not enough to get you to the promised land.

Taking Giannis to pair with AD and Kyrie seems like a no brainer to me to have a pretty good 2-3 year window to make something happen. Your only issue is health.

How do they get enough salary to trade for Giannis without moving Kyrie or AD? Do they have some trade exceptions to combine with other players?

I don't really see how it's possible either, but my guess is if some GMs are determined to make it work, they'll find a way.

I was listening to Habberstroh on Bo's pod tonight and he was quick to point out that Nico is a Nike guy through and through, and Flagg is a new balance guy. He said it was a legit factor to consider when you think of Flagg vs Giannis for Dallas.

3 and 4 team deals. Also, if you do the deal after the draft I believe Flagg would count around 10 million in a trade Saw one proposed with Miami (picks obviously involved as well) that was essentially

Giannis/Green to Dallas

Flagg/Thompson/Lively/Rozier's expiring to Milwaukee

Martin/Washington to Miami

[raferfenix]

Nico is a Nike guy through and through, and Flagg is a new balance guy.

That absolutely is worth considering here.

[ACMFFL]

If Giannis really was made available for Flagg, the Mavs would be utterly stupid to say no. Giannis is one of the few real difference makers in the league and makes that team an instant contender.

Flagg is an impressive prospect but there is no guarantee about where his ceiling will hit. If he’s like prime Kevin Love or Paul George level for example then that’s cool and all but not enough to get you to the promised land.

Taking Giannis to pair with AD and Kyrie seems like a no brainer to me to have a pretty good 2-3 year window to make something happen. Your only issue is health.

The problem is Giannis wont turn Dallas into a legit contender. AD wants to play at the 4 and the fit with GA is very suspect.
It could have been a more realistic option if Kyrie wasn't out for most of the next season, but if the Mavs trade for Giannis, then they are left with almost nothing else to retool the roster, salary matching would gut this team, and their backcourt is nowhere near close to be contender material.
Also Mavs will be above the 2nd apron after drafting Flagg so they can't even aggregate salaries.

Imho San Antonio, OKC and Houston are the most logical destinations, but I still hope you guys find a way to retool around Giannis.

[tedbrogen]

Saw this trade somewhere:

Dallas Mavericks Receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Max Christie, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Hawkins, Caleb Martin, Kelly Olynyk, 2025 No. 1 overall pick, 2026 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans), 2027 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans' swap rights)

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Klay Thompson, Dereck Lively II, 2031 first-round pick (via Dallas)

It works. I think that's about as good a proposal as I've seen for all involved.

That’s tempting because you can then take Gafford, Kelly O, Pat C’s expirings to the Blazers and offer them for Grant and the Bucks others pick and swaps back.

Allows you to also let GTJ, Brook, Prince, and Bobby walk. Use the MLE to keep KPJ and extend AJG. Retain Rollins and keep Sims on the cheap.

Then in the 26 offseason you trade Dame’s max expiring for another bad multi year deal and get more assets back.

Rollins, KPJ, AJG, Christie, Martin, Flagg, Sims, Tyler Smith, and all your picks back (outside of 28 swap rights the Wiz hold). Not making the playoffs but you’re basically collecting assets and giving guys PT for the first couple Flagg years anyways.

[Bernman]

If Giannis really was made available for Flagg, the Mavs would be utterly stupid to say no. Giannis is one of the few real difference makers in the league and makes that team an instant contender.

Flagg is an impressive prospect but there is no guarantee about where his ceiling will hit. If he’s like prime Kevin Love or Paul George level for example then that’s cool and all but not enough to get you to the promised land.

Taking Giannis to pair with AD and Kyrie seems like a no brainer to me to have a pretty good 2-3 year window to make something happen. Your only issue is health.

The problem is Giannis wont turn Dallas into a legit contender. AD wants to play at the 4 and the fit with GA is very suspect.
It could have been a more realistic option if Kyrie wasn't out for most of the next season, but if the Mavs trade for Giannis, then they are left with almost nothing else to retool the roster, salary matching would gut this team, and their backcourt is nowhere near close to be contender material.
Also Mavs will be above the 2nd apron after drafting Flagg so they can't even aggregate salaries.

Imho San Antonio, OKC and Houston are the most logical destinations, but I still hope you guys find a way to retool around Giannis.

I understand the reasoning Kyrie's injured now, even though he projects to return midseason, and 1st torn acl has a virtual full recovery rate in the 90's these days.

You guys should choose a route one way or another, and not have 2 directions. Serving 2 masters usually serves neither in the end. The centerpieces of your team right now are 14 yrs apart.

If it's me, I'd trade AD & rebuild around Flagg + Lively. Maybe you do the Castle + Harper trade instead of us. Flagg, Castle, Harper, Lively, + whatever you get for the good role players is a hell of a future foundation.

Otherwise if you're going win now, it's difficult to do any better than arguably the best player in the NBA, for a guy whose over-under is 2nd team All NBA, & that in all likelihood wouldn't happen for a few yrs at least. His realistic best case scenario is a version of the guy who you'd be trading him for, & is that guy now.

[Plossum]

Saw this trade somewhere:

Dallas Mavericks Receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Max Christie, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Hawkins, Caleb Martin, Kelly Olynyk, 2025 No. 1 overall pick, 2026 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans), 2027 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans' swap rights)

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Klay Thompson, Dereck Lively II, 2031 first-round pick (via Dallas)

It works. I think that's about as good a proposal as I've seen for all involved.

This isn’t too bad but prob not enough for NOLA to get involved. The moment they get a whiff that Giannis is on the block it incentivises them to hold those Bucks picks very tightly.

Those 26 and 27 picks likely become top 10 or better. I think we’d have better luck with a different third party.

[Dick Tate]

So the grand plan is to get Flagg, tank, then watch him walk after his rookie deal?

[ReasonablySober]

So the grand plan is to get Flagg, tank, then watch him walk after his rookie deal?

When's the last time a guy didn't sign an extension?

[blazza18]

So the grand plan is to get Flagg, tank, then watch him walk after his rookie deal?

So 7/8 years down the line? Is that really something to freak out over?

[Dick Tate]

So the grand plan is to get Flagg, tank, then watch him walk after his rookie deal?

When's the last time a guy didn't sign an extension?

I'm having a hard time finding an example of team launching into a multi-year tank immediately after landing the top pick.

[SupremeHustle]

So the grand plan is to get Flagg, tank, then watch him walk after his rookie deal?

When's the last time a guy didn't sign an extension?

I'm having a hard time finding an example of team launching into a multi-year tank immediately after landing the top pick.

Trust the process.

[ReasonablySober]

So the grand plan is to get Flagg, tank, then watch him walk after his rookie deal?

When's the last time a guy didn't sign an extension?

I'm having a hard time finding an example of team launching into a multi-year tank immediately after landing the top pick.

The Sixers did it. Cleveland did it after Irving.

[raferfenix]

The problem is Giannis wont turn Dallas into a legit contender. AD wants to play at the 4 and the fit with GA is very suspect.

Sure. But why would anyone expect Nico and Dumont to make smart decisions?

If Dumont fires Nico and at least listens to Cuban again that'd be a different story.

[Dick Tate]

When's the last time a guy didn't sign an extension?

I'm having a hard time finding an example of team launching into a multi-year tank immediately after landing the top pick.

The Sixers did it. Cleveland did it after Irving.

I suppose. Not the most inspiring examples. Simmons had just played on a 51 win team with Embiid and Butler when he signed his. Cleveland was already a season into their forced tank (after The Decision left the team with nothing) when Irving was drafted. He signed his extension knowing LeBron was on his way back.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm having a hard time finding an example of team launching into a multi-year tank immediately after landing the top pick.

The Sixers did it. Cleveland did it after Irving.

I suppose. Not the most inspiring examples. Simmons had just played on a 51 win team with Embiid and Butler when he signed his. Cleveland was already a season into their forced tank (after The Decision left the team with nothing) when Irving was drafted. He signed his extension knowing LeBron was on his way back.

Doesn't the lack of success from teams immediately going win-now after getting the #1 make you think that a long prolonged rebuild might be an option to try?

[Dick Tate]

The Sixers did it. Cleveland did it after Irving.

I suppose. Not the most inspiring examples. Simmons had just played on a 51 win team with Embiid and Butler when he signed his. Cleveland was already a season into their forced tank (after The Decision left the team with nothing) when Irving was drafted. He signed his extension knowing LeBron was on his way back.

Doesn't the lack of success from teams immediately going win-now after getting the #1 make you think that a long prolonged rebuild might be an option to try?

It's an option, sure. It just doesn't seem like such a great option when you have to endure so many **** seasons with a supposed generational pick on the team. Philly had many high picks and ended up with a 2nd round ceiling.

[MickeyDavis]

Alex Saratsis as a candidate for Hawks POBO is interesting.

[tedbrogen]

Saw this trade somewhere:

Dallas Mavericks Receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Max Christie, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Hawkins, Caleb Martin, Kelly Olynyk, 2025 No. 1 overall pick, 2026 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans), 2027 first-round pick (their own, via New Orleans' swap rights)

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Klay Thompson, Dereck Lively II, 2031 first-round pick (via Dallas)

It works. I think that's about as good a proposal as I've seen for all involved.

This isn’t too bad but prob not enough for NOLA to get involved. The moment they get a whiff that Giannis is on the block it incentivises them to hold those Bucks picks very tightly.

Those 26 and 27 picks likely become top 10 or better. I think we’d have better luck with a different third party.

The issue is if they roll forward with Murray eating up space, then the Pels get to pay the tax and might not even finish better than the Bucks considering they are stuck in the west.

[th87]

The Sixers did it. Cleveland did it after Irving.

I suppose. Not the most inspiring examples. Simmons had just played on a 51 win team with Embiid and Butler when he signed his. Cleveland was already a season into their forced tank (after The Decision left the team with nothing) when Irving was drafted. He signed his extension knowing LeBron was on his way back.

Doesn't the lack of success from teams immediately going win-now after getting the #1 make you think that a long prolonged rebuild might be an option to try?

And this is something you think Horst, Edens, and Haslam would do?

[th87]

I suppose. Not the most inspiring examples. Simmons had just played on a 51 win team with Embiid and Butler when he signed his. Cleveland was already a season into their forced tank (after The Decision left the team with nothing) when Irving was drafted. He signed his extension knowing LeBron was on his way back.

Doesn't the lack of success from teams immediately going win-now after getting the #1 make you think that a long prolonged rebuild might be an option to try?

It's an option, sure. It just doesn't seem like such a great option when you have to endure so many **** seasons with a supposed generational pick on the team. Philly had many high picks and ended up with a 2nd round ceiling.

This would be a smart approach to obtain a superstar...if we didn't already have one.

But it looks like people are intent on selling their Bugatti to buy two new BMWs.