Tre Johnson - Texas

[Chuck Everett]

It's a shame he didn't go to Baylor (his parents were alums). Him and Edgecombe on the wings would have been special. He's been amazing for Texas, but they are going nowhere.

[tontoz]

Impressive game yesterday. He was 1-8 from 3 but still dropped 32 points.

[Chi town]

Impressive game yesterday. He was 1-8 from 3 but still dropped 32 points.

His game yesterday bumped him up for me.

I think he can actually become a strong FT getter and maker in the league. He’s so good at faking and spinning to draw contact.

[tontoz]

Impressive game yesterday. He was 1-8 from 3 but still dropped 32 points.

His game yesterday bumped him up for me.

I think he can actually become a strong FT getter and maker in the league. He’s so good at faking and spinning to draw contact.

Do you think he passed to himself off the backboard? When I watched the replay of the possession when he followed up his own shot twice I really think he passed off the backboard to himself because the defender would have blocked the shot if he tried to make it.

[Chi town]

Impressive game yesterday. He was 1-8 from 3 but still dropped 32 points.

His game yesterday bumped him up for me.

I think he can actually become a strong FT getter and maker in the league. He’s so good at faking and spinning to draw contact.

Do you think he passed to himself off the backboard? When I watched the replay of the possession when he followed up his own shot twice I really think he passed off the backboard to himself because the defender would have blocked the shot if he tried to make it.

That’s exactly what I thought

[Chi town]

Tre is a bucket. I’m starting to see some serious on ball chops. Creating for himself and playmaking. His teammates suck so bad it’s not showing up in assists because they miss the wide open shot or fumble the easy pass.

Tre is looking really good in PNR. Makes all the right reads. He’s showing he’s learning how to manipulate defenses. Kid has elite IQ with the ball.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Tre is a bucket. I’m starting to see some serious on ball chops. Creating for himself and playmaking. His teammates suck so bad it’s not showing up in assists because they miss the wide open shot or fumble the easy pass.

Tre is looking really good in PNR. Makes all the right reads. He’s showing he’s learning how to manipulate defenses. Kid has elite IQ with the ball.

I think he's clearly the best SG in this class above Edgecomb

[Chi town]

Tre is a bucket. I’m starting to see some serious on ball chops. Creating for himself and playmaking. His teammates suck so bad it’s not showing up in assists because they miss the wide open shot or fumble the easy pass.

Tre is looking really good in PNR. Makes all the right reads. He’s showing he’s learning how to manipulate defenses. Kid has elite IQ with the ball.

I think he's clearly the best SG in this class above Edgecomb

Don’t know about that. I think Tre will get worked on D for the first couple years. If he doesn’t improve his offense will have to be electric for him to be winning player to build with good.

He is a bucket. Showing some Ray Allen level shotmaking. His handle is better than many PGs and he can initiate offense and playmake. Don’t think he will ever be a true 1 but he can be a string 2nd option. Everything breaks right maybe 1b

[Chi town]

Also VJ is going to be a glove on D. He’s now making movement 3s. Massive improvement.

Could see them jumping Ace and getting to 3 but still think it will go Ace VJ Tre

[EMG518]

Devin Booker is probably the ideal scenario for this archetype, like high high high end outcome for someone like Tre. it's just hard to pinpoint what makes Booker Booker and say someone like Jordan Poole Jordan Poole. these off-ball/combo 6-4 to 6-6 guards are just in a weird spot in today's NBA in terms of impact and like Cpt said are a dime a dozen if you're just looking for scorers. even Devin Booker's impact is questionable sometimes despite the raw stat outputs.

still deciding where Tre lands on this scale though, but fkn love watching him score

He looks like he is longer than both of those guys, especially Poole, he has the ability to shoot over guys which you don't see Poole doing, he is bouncier than either of those guys, he is a better shooter than Poole, maybe Booker, and he seems like he has a higher bbia than Poole so I would put him far from Poole on the scale.

He measured well, clearly was longer than those guys. See how that affects his draft stock.

Think he is someone who should rise from workouts. Such a good shooter and is advanced offensively, can play off ball and fit in any team, good foot work.

Seems like a dude who takes the game seriously and puts in the work.

[FarBeyondDriven]

seems to be having a fire combine. I might be moving him up to #3 over Harper. Just feel like he knows his role and has enough playmaking and defense beyond his incredible scoring so he's almost a can't miss prospect with star upside. Only reason I still have Bailey over him (for now) is because with better spacing in the NBA and given his skill and athleticism he's like a better, less stiff Jabari Smith and it's such a shallow position in the NBA whereas shooting guards are everywhere.

[JustBuzzin]

seems to be having a fire combine. I might be moving him up to #3 over Harper. Just feel like he knows his role and has enough playmaking and defense beyond his incredible scoring so he's almost a can't miss prospect with star upside. Only reason I still have Bailey over him (for now) is because with better spacing in the NBA and given his skill and athleticism he's like a better, less stiff Jabari Smith and it's such a shallow position in the NBA whereas shooting guards are everywhere.

Why Harper #3?

[FarBeyondDriven]

seems to be having a fire combine. I might be moving him up to #3 over Harper. Just feel like he knows his role and has enough playmaking and defense beyond his incredible scoring so he's almost a can't miss prospect with star upside. Only reason I still have Bailey over him (for now) is because with better spacing in the NBA and given his skill and athleticism he's like a better, less stiff Jabari Smith and it's such a shallow position in the NBA whereas shooting guards are everywhere.

Why Harper #3?

I am irrationally exuberant about 3/4 wings. They're my kryptonite. When you find a great one they can be franchise altering. I think he has upside as a defender and a killer mentality. He struggled with spacing but I think in the NBA he'll get cleaner looks and his stroke just looks pure to me and he's got enough burst and athleticism to punish closeouts. I'm willing to take more of a gamble on guys like these and think when you're picking high in the draft you should be picking for upside.

Harper is way more polished and probably will be more impactful early unless he lands in a bad situation. I don't think he has elite traits or skills and don't feel you should take scoring point guards, which I view as a dime a dozen in the NBA, above athletic skilled wings. What is Harper's upside given he's not a great athlete and he has good but not elite size and playmaking skills? A solid starting PG? Top 30 PG? Top 20, top 10? I'm worried he might be closer to Quickley and Dejounte Murray than a guy like Brunson a lot are comparing him to.

I think there's as much bust potential with Harper as there is for Bailey. He's not the slam dunk 2nd best prospect like almost everyone thinks. I don't think he's appreciably better than Castle or Fox and he needs to be on ball like Fox does so it doesn't make sense that the Spurs would take him unless they're planning on trading one or both of them.

[EMG518]

seems to be having a fire combine. I might be moving him up to #3 over Harper. Just feel like he knows his role and has enough playmaking and defense beyond his incredible scoring so he's almost a can't miss prospect with star upside. Only reason I still have Bailey over him (for now) is because with better spacing in the NBA and given his skill and athleticism he's like a better, less stiff Jabari Smith and it's such a shallow position in the NBA whereas shooting guards are everywhere.

Why Harper #3?

I am irrationally exuberant about 3/4 wings. They're my kryptonite. When you find a great one they can be franchise altering. I think he has upside as a defender and a killer mentality. He struggled with spacing but I think in the NBA he'll get cleaner looks and his stroke just looks pure to me and he's got enough burst and athleticism to punish closeouts. I'm willing to take more of a gamble on guys like these and think when you're picking high in the draft you should be picking for upside.

Harper is way more polished and probably will be more impactful early unless he lands in a bad situation. I don't think he has elite traits or skills and don't feel you should take scoring point guards, which I view as a dime a dozen in the NBA, above athletic skilled wings. What is Harper's upside given he's not a great athlete and he has good but not elite size and playmaking skills? A solid starting PG? Top 30 PG? Top 20, top 10? I'm worried he might be closer to Quickley and Dejounte Murray than a guy like Brunson a lot are comparing him to.

I think there's as much bust potential with Harper as there is for Bailey. He's not the slam dunk 2nd best prospect like almost everyone thinks. I don't think he's appreciably better than Castle or Fox and he needs to be on ball like Fox does so it doesn't make sense that the Spurs would take him unless they're planning on trading one or both of them.

You could not have watched Harper play basketball and think he is not a great athlete.

[Skybox]

seems to be having a fire combine. I might be moving him up to #3 over Harper. Just feel like he knows his role and has enough playmaking and defense beyond his incredible scoring so he's almost a can't miss prospect with star upside. Only reason I still have Bailey over him (for now) is because with better spacing in the NBA and given his skill and athleticism he's like a better, less stiff Jabari Smith and it's such a shallow position in the NBA whereas shooting guards are everywhere.

Why Harper #3?

Pretty sure he meant Bailey, which he straightened in the next sentence. There's a huge certainty gap from 1 to 2, then another one from 2 to the rest, it seems. I agree that all of these workouts, interviews, and measurements could see Johnson or VJ jumping Bailey...Although, if PHI keeps the pick, another scoring guard doesn't seem a likely choice. PHI could also move McCain or even Maxey for a haul if they really loved one of the guards in the draft...but it's not like PHI has a load of years to burn "developing" a rookie - they'd have to hope for an instant contributor if they even make the pick.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Why Harper #3?

I am irrationally exuberant about 3/4 wings. They're my kryptonite. When you find a great one they can be franchise altering. I think he has upside as a defender and a killer mentality. He struggled with spacing but I think in the NBA he'll get cleaner looks and his stroke just looks pure to me and he's got enough burst and athleticism to punish closeouts. I'm willing to take more of a gamble on guys like these and think when you're picking high in the draft you should be picking for upside.

Harper is way more polished and probably will be more impactful early unless he lands in a bad situation. I don't think he has elite traits or skills and don't feel you should take scoring point guards, which I view as a dime a dozen in the NBA, above athletic skilled wings. What is Harper's upside given he's not a great athlete and he has good but not elite size and playmaking skills? A solid starting PG? Top 30 PG? Top 20, top 10? I'm worried he might be closer to Quickley and Dejounte Murray than a guy like Brunson a lot are comparing him to.

I think there's as much bust potential with Harper as there is for Bailey. He's not the slam dunk 2nd best prospect like almost everyone thinks. I don't think he's appreciably better than Castle or Fox and he needs to be on ball like Fox does so it doesn't make sense that the Spurs would take him unless they're planning on trading one or both of them.

You could not have watched Harper play basketball and think he is not a great athlete.

only most games but sure if it makes you feel better. He will not be an above the rim guy in the NBA like actual "great" athletes. He's about average. Same vertical as Bub Carrington btw.

[FarBeyondDriven]

seems to be having a fire combine. I might be moving him up to #3 over Harper. Just feel like he knows his role and has enough playmaking and defense beyond his incredible scoring so he's almost a can't miss prospect with star upside. Only reason I still have Bailey over him (for now) is because with better spacing in the NBA and given his skill and athleticism he's like a better, less stiff Jabari Smith and it's such a shallow position in the NBA whereas shooting guards are everywhere.

Why Harper #3?

Pretty sure he meant Bailey, which he straightened in the next sentence. There's a huge certainty gap from 1 to 2, then another one from 2 to the rest, it seems. I agree that all of these workouts, interviews, and measurements could see Johnson or VJ jumping Bailey...Although, if PHI keeps the pick, another scoring guard doesn't seem a likely choice. PHI could also move McCain or even Maxey for a haul if they really loved one of the guards in the draft...but it's not like PHI has a load of years to burn "developing" a rookie - they'd have to hope for an instant contributor if they even make the pick.

no, I currently have it Flagg, Bailey, Harper, Johnson. He asked me why I had Harper #3, I'm assuming because 99% of people have him #2. I said it's possible I'd move Johnson over Harper into #3 and that the only reason I would still have Bailey over Johnson is due to position scarcity. It's tricky with both the Spurs and Sixers as far as taking Harper since they are set at PG and imho Harper isn't better than any of them (Maxey, McCain, Castle, Fox) and if he is, certainly not so much better that they'd pick him and then move the other. Not when there are equally talented guys that play other positions right there for the taking.

[EMG518]

I am irrationally exuberant about 3/4 wings. They're my kryptonite. When you find a great one they can be franchise altering. I think he has upside as a defender and a killer mentality. He struggled with spacing but I think in the NBA he'll get cleaner looks and his stroke just looks pure to me and he's got enough burst and athleticism to punish closeouts. I'm willing to take more of a gamble on guys like these and think when you're picking high in the draft you should be picking for upside.

Harper is way more polished and probably will be more impactful early unless he lands in a bad situation. I don't think he has elite traits or skills and don't feel you should take scoring point guards, which I view as a dime a dozen in the NBA, above athletic skilled wings. What is Harper's upside given he's not a great athlete and he has good but not elite size and playmaking skills? A solid starting PG? Top 30 PG? Top 20, top 10? I'm worried he might be closer to Quickley and Dejounte Murray than a guy like Brunson a lot are comparing him to.

I think there's as much bust potential with Harper as there is for Bailey. He's not the slam dunk 2nd best prospect like almost everyone thinks. I don't think he's appreciably better than Castle or Fox and he needs to be on ball like Fox does so it doesn't make sense that the Spurs would take him unless they're planning on trading one or both of them.

You could not have watched Harper play basketball and think he is not a great athlete.

only most games but sure if it makes you feel better. He will not be an above the rim guy in the NBA like actual "great" athletes. He's about average. Same vertical as Bub Carrington btw.

If only being a great athlete and functional athleticism was as easy as looking at a vert.

[76ciology]

For me, Tre Johnson’s swing skill is his playmaking. He’s averaging a 16% assist rate, 2.7 assists per game, and just 1.1 turnovers, a profile that compares to someone like Kon Kneuppel, despite Johnson playing with far less talent.

Take Texas, for example, his second-best scorer is Arthur Kaluma at just 12 points per game. Their big man, Kadin Shedrick, isn’t even listed as a center on Basketball Reference. Tre’s working with limited offensive support.

In this clip, you can see the gravity he creates and how much defensive attention he draws. He consistently makes the right reads and shows a strong sense of when to shoot, drive, or pass. His efficient shooting and low turnover rate reflect his decision making. He clearly has the IQ and instincts to develop into a lead guard. The only problem is his teammates are not talented enough to convert those passes.

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Additionally, I think Tre Johnson has a very promising post game. He shows advanced footwork, soft touch, and the skill to create space. Combine that with his ability to shoot over defenders, and you have a versatile scoring option who can punish defenders at the post.

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[FarBeyondDriven]

You could not have watched Harper play basketball and think he is not a great athlete.

only most games but sure if it makes you feel better. He will not be an above the rim guy in the NBA like actual "great" athletes. He's about average. Same vertical as Bub Carrington btw.

If only being a great athlete and functional athleticism was as easy as looking at a vert.

if only I claimed it was