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2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#1901 » by Enso » Thu May 15, 2025 4:29 am

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Post#1902 » by Vertical Limit » Thu May 15, 2025 4:37 am

Warriors fans on their board is suggesting Wiggins is their missing piece next year, and theyre asking who says no first Kuminga S&T for Wiggins..

Im saying no. We are not going to pay Kuminga like that, let the hornets or pelicans or some ither small trash team make that deal where they pay him 20+ per season.

but if your team got some expirings and a protected late first for Wiggins yall can have Wiggins..
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Post#1903 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu May 15, 2025 12:57 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Warriors fans on their board is suggesting Wiggins is their missing piece next year, and theyre asking who says no first Kuminga S&T for Wiggins..

Im saying no. We are not going to pay Kuminga like that, let the hornets or pelicans or some ither small trash team make that deal where they pay him 20+ per season.

but if your team got some expirings and a protected late first for Wiggins yall can have Wiggins..

I dont know how to tell you this - but we're paying Wiggins 30+ per season and he's a worse player going forward.

Was a Horrible trade from day 1.
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Post#1904 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu May 15, 2025 1:04 pm

If Wiggins needs to be dumped some place the Wizards seem like a great landing spot. He still got a close relationship with Jordan Poole
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Post#1905 » by oreon » Thu May 15, 2025 1:28 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Warriors fans on their board is suggesting Wiggins is their missing piece next year, and theyre asking who says no first Kuminga S&T for Wiggins..

Im saying no. We are not going to pay Kuminga like that, let the hornets or pelicans or some ither small trash team make that deal where they pay him 20+ per season.

but if your team got some expirings and a protected late first for Wiggins yall can have Wiggins..


Miami should be looking for a trade like this but this FO too prideful. They probably think they can fix Wiggins and make him an allstar
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Post#1906 » by Heat3 » Thu May 15, 2025 1:47 pm

I hope Riley saw a broken Steph and a “hurt and sick” and no show Jimmy and forget about going after an aging star.
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Post#1907 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Thu May 15, 2025 2:13 pm

I don’t have any issues with bringing in an agin star… I have an issue with trading future assets and youth, which essentially locks you into the now, by sacrifice of the tomorrow.

A KD would do this unit good, but for like a year or two (if that). Once he is of no use, then what? Do we have any picks to bring in reinforcements? Can we sign the next rising star and lure them away from their current team due to cap space? Can we trade for said rising star once they hit the market?

Can we even pull a Knicks? Who signed some and traded for others if our cap is tied up to a rising star and our picks were traded away for said star?

KD resolves the now, but threatens the opportunity to acquire a player that can join our core for many years. Think of a Donovan Mitchel type of acquisition. He was young and will be with the Cavs for at least 6 years. Trading away picks should be done for players that can contribute for many years to your organization.
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Post#1908 » by twix2500 » Thu May 15, 2025 2:15 pm

I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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Post#1909 » by Vertical Limit » Thu May 15, 2025 2:19 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
Vertical Limit wrote:Warriors fans on their board is suggesting Wiggins is their missing piece next year, and theyre asking who says no first Kuminga S&T for Wiggins..

Im saying no. We are not going to pay Kuminga like that, let the hornets or pelicans or some ither small trash team make that deal where they pay him 20+ per season.

but if your team got some expirings and a protected late first for Wiggins yall can have Wiggins..

I dont know how to tell you this - but we're paying Wiggins 30+ per season and he's a worse player going forward.

Was a Horrible trade from day 1.

We were forced to make that move. Probably pressured into making that trade to golden state. in my opinion we would have fared better leaving butler rot at his home and then buy him out today. Now we got 40 million between wiggins and kyle to try to move before the 2026 season.
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Post#1910 » by greg4012 » Thu May 15, 2025 2:23 pm

twix2500 wrote:I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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The biggest thing for me with Wiggins was disappointment in his onball defense. It was unacceptable vs the Cavs. He didn't seem to add any defensive presence in that series. With that said, I can give him the benefit of the doubt on that if he was still hobbled by a lingering injury.

Def a combo of unreasonable expectations and overreaction by the fanbase tho. Fully agree on that.
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Post#1911 » by batterybro42 » Thu May 15, 2025 3:12 pm

I hope people who bash the front office for not dumping Jimmy sooner, realize that if he locked in an honored his already max contract, that Miami would have likely been in a position to acquire KD at the deadline last season. This is why they wanted to finish out the deal. IF they had brought home a ring than you lock everybody in get them their pay and ride out the window.

Look at the East right now, you want to sit me down and explain to me how

Herro
Butler
KD
Bam
Ware

Is not just dog walking the East to the finals?

All it would have took was Butler not being an idiot, but he probably spoiled his last chance at getting a ring, and his chance to go out a franchise legend. Can't say I feel a lot of pity for him, but next time somebody brings up the FO handling of the situation, and not making the immediate move to dump him when the conversation started happening, I ask you to consider this.

2 Firsts, Jovic, JJJ, and matching filler between Rozier and Robinson and this would have happened. The framework was already in place.
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Post#1912 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu May 15, 2025 3:40 pm

Wiggins is a good trade piece and especially for someone like Durant. Good matching contract and still valuable around the league to flip for some late draft assets. Suns will most likely flip him to a contender or for an expiring and draft chips.
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Post#1913 » by VaDe255 » Thu May 15, 2025 4:05 pm

batterybro42 wrote:I hope people who bash the front office for not dumping Jimmy sooner, realize that if he looked in an honored his already max contract, that Miami would have likely been in a position to acquire KD at the deadline last season. This is why they wanted to finish out the deal. IF they had brought home a ring than you lock everybody in get them their pay and ride out the window.

Look at the East right now, you want to sit me down and explain to me how

Herro
Butler
KD
Bam
Ware

Is not just dog walking the East to the finals?

All it would have took was Butler not being an idiot, but he probably spoiled his last chance at getting a ring, and his chance to go out a franchise legend. Can't say I feel a lot of pity for him, but next time somebody brings up the FO handling of the situation, and not making the immediate move to dump him when the conversation started happening, I ask you to consider this.

2 Firsts, Jovic, JJJ, and matching filler between Rozier and Robinson and this would have happened. The framework was already in place.


This was never possible, this team is over 210m+, most likely can't make a trade to get KD. Would be different if Jimmy took a significant paycut, but as we can see he chose the money, it's what his top priority was, everyone has different goals can't blame him for that.
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Post#1914 » by batterybro42 » Thu May 15, 2025 4:11 pm

VaDe255 wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:I hope people who bash the front office for not dumping Jimmy sooner, realize that if he looked in an honored his already max contract, that Miami would have likely been in a position to acquire KD at the deadline last season. This is why they wanted to finish out the deal. IF they had brought home a ring than you lock everybody in get them their pay and ride out the window.

Look at the East right now, you want to sit me down and explain to me how

Herro
Butler
KD
Bam
Ware

Is not just dog walking the East to the finals?

All it would have took was Butler not being an idiot, but he probably spoiled his last chance at getting a ring, and his chance to go out a franchise legend. Can't say I feel a lot of pity for him, but next time somebody brings up the FO handling of the situation, and not making the immediate move to dump him when the conversation started happening, I ask you to consider this.

2 Firsts, Jovic, JJJ, and matching filler between Rozier and Robinson and this would have happened. The framework was already in place.


This was never possible, this team is over 210m+, most likely can't make a trade to get KD. Would be different if Jimmy took a significant paycut, but as we can see he chose the money, it's what his top priority was, everyone has different goals can't blame him for that.


You are wrong the framework to make the deal was very much possible, confirmed a ton of times while we went through that whole ordeal. Jimmy Butler screwed himself and the Heat out of what looks like now a very viable path to the Finals. We would have had to match KD's salary to make it possible we would be sitting in the exact same cap situation we currently are, KD probably would have been a 2 year rental with the run it back team happening this upcoming season, and heading towards a reset with Butler's last year under contract happening in 2026.
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Post#1915 » by VaDe255 » Thu May 15, 2025 4:14 pm

If the KD trade falls through, I wonder if they pivot to trying to get Jrue from the Celtics. There's a good chance he gets shopped, since Boston needs to get under the 2nd apron.

They could offer Terry and essentially absorb the rest of Jrue’s deal, giving the Celtics around $7.5M in cap relief, which gets them closer and they can probably move Terry for some more cap relief down the line.
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Post#1916 » by VaDe255 » Thu May 15, 2025 4:17 pm

batterybro42 wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:I hope people who bash the front office for not dumping Jimmy sooner, realize that if he looked in an honored his already max contract, that Miami would have likely been in a position to acquire KD at the deadline last season. This is why they wanted to finish out the deal. IF they had brought home a ring than you lock everybody in get them their pay and ride out the window.

Look at the East right now, you want to sit me down and explain to me how

Herro
Butler
KD
Bam
Ware

Is not just dog walking the East to the finals?

All it would have took was Butler not being an idiot, but he probably spoiled his last chance at getting a ring, and his chance to go out a franchise legend. Can't say I feel a lot of pity for him, but next time somebody brings up the FO handling of the situation, and not making the immediate move to dump him when the conversation started happening, I ask you to consider this.

2 Firsts, Jovic, JJJ, and matching filler between Rozier and Robinson and this would have happened. The framework was already in place.


This was never possible, this team is over 210m+, most likely can't make a trade to get KD. Would be different if Jimmy took a significant paycut, but as we can see he chose the money, it's what his top priority was, everyone has different goals can't blame him for that.


You are wrong the framework to make the deal was very much possible, confirmed a ton of times while we went through that whole ordeal. Jimmy Butler screwed himself and the Heat out of what looks like now a very viable path to the Finals.


When was that possible? They wanted to move Jimmy for KD, that was the framework...
There was never a framework to get KD on the team with Jimmy, I don't know how this would be possible. You're blowing straight through the 2nd apron here and paying a huge repeater tax, not to mention how are you even making the salaries work to comply with basic roster rules of having 14 players on the roster?!
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Post#1917 » by oreon » Thu May 15, 2025 4:41 pm

VaDe255 wrote:If the KD trade falls through, I wonder if they pivot to trying to get Jrue from the Celtics. There's a good chance he gets shopped, since Boston needs to get under the 2nd apron.

They could offer Terry and essentially absorb the rest of Jrue’s deal, giving the Celtics around $7.5M in cap relief, which gets them closer and they can probably move Terry for some more cap relief down the line.


Not for free. I think 2026 is a pipe dream. The way its lining up no one of significance will be on the market. While Heat are in transition, they should be using their cap space and expirings to restock their picks.
If Boston wants to dump Jrue contract for Terry + Love then they gotta send us a protected 1st. Jrue looked kinda washed, no way you take on that contract without compensation. Then you hope Jrue plays well and you try to flip him again in the trade deadline for 1st or 2nd rounders.
Same for Duncan, you should be shopping for 1st. There might a be a team out there that desperate to get out of tax and Duncan's contract is immediate salary relief.
We should be doing same for Wiggins + Kyle shop them around for a team that needs them or needs their contract to cut salary.
This is what OKC did in their transition years. Used their cap to get picks. They eat twice on Chris Paul. Got picks + CP3 for Westbrook and then flipped CP3 later on for more picks.
This is why I am against KD deal. Its 60 mil in salary that can be used to accumulate assets. We won't contend with him. But if FA doesn't want a full rebuild then the next best option is development + asset accumulation and wait for the right trade. Play young guys and trade vets for assets.
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Post#1918 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu May 15, 2025 4:47 pm

VaDe255 wrote:If the KD trade falls through, I wonder if they pivot to trying to get Jrue from the Celtics. There's a good chance he gets shopped, since Boston needs to get under the 2nd apron.

They could offer Terry and essentially absorb the rest of Jrue’s deal, giving the Celtics around $7.5M in cap relief, which gets them closer and they can probably move Terry for some more cap relief down the line.

We are in no position to offer cap relief to anyone but ourselves. I would imagine Holiday possibly ends up in Brooklyn if they somehow manage to get Giannis. Another landing spot could be Houston reuniting with his younger brother Aaron. Don’t see the Celtics giving us anything unless absolutely desperate.
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Post#1919 » by ZoStrong » Thu May 15, 2025 5:11 pm

twix2500 wrote:I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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I'm w you. Wiggins did have some good games. I think he got hurt against the Warriors (he did play well in the game btw) and missed some games. And was never the same for the rest of the season. And 30m is for an above average player nowadays. It's not a terrible contract. That said, I'd trade him or anyone for a clear upgrade
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Post#1920 » by ZoStrong » Thu May 15, 2025 5:16 pm

oreon wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:If the KD trade falls through, I wonder if they pivot to trying to get Jrue from the Celtics. There's a good chance he gets shopped, since Boston needs to get under the 2nd apron.

They could offer Terry and essentially absorb the rest of Jrue’s deal, giving the Celtics around $7.5M in cap relief, which gets them closer and they can probably move Terry for some more cap relief down the line.


Not for free. I think 2026 is a pipe dream. The way its lining up no one of significance will be on the market. While Heat are in transition, they should be using their cap space and expirings to restock their picks.
If Boston wants to dump Jrue contract for Terry + Love then they gotta send us a protected 1st. Jrue looked kinda washed, no way you take on that contract without compensation. Then you hope Jrue plays well and you try to flip him again in the trade deadline for 1st or 2nd rounders.
Same for Duncan, you should be shopping for 1st. There might a be a team out there that desperate to get out of tax and Duncan's contract is immediate salary relief.
We should be doing same for Wiggins + Kyle shop them around for a team that needs them or needs their contract to cut salary.
This is what OKC did in their transition years. Used their cap to get picks. They eat twice on Chris Paul. Got picks + CP3 for Westbrook and then flipped CP3 later on for more picks.
This is why I am against KD deal. Its 60 mil in salary that can be used to accumulate assets. We won't contend with him. But if FA doesn't want a full rebuild then the next best option is development + asset accumulation and wait for the right trade. Play young guys and trade vets for assets.




Trust me, someone (of significance) WILL BE on the market in 2026. That's how it is in this league. Probably more than one star.

But I'm against a KD deal as well if we give up too much assets

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