What should WARRIORS do this offseason?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

KCP could be pretty interesting honestly

The version of KCP that played in Denver or LAL would definitely be interesting for GS

The version of KCP that played in ORL last season, with a significant fall-off in shooting and D but still costing 15% of the salary cap, would be a lot less interesting. Was KCP's bad season because of the situation in ORL, or a decline due to age? YMMV.

If you trade for him, you are gambling that KCP will bounce back in GS, and you're also using up $21M in salary on that bet. It's a reasonable gamble, but I'd question this move for GSW given their salary situation

That’s the big question. I’d have a feeling it’s a mix of the two but you’d have Steph and a better offensive flow is GS.

Orlando’s offense was Paolo/Franz iso ball where KCP didn’t really get much outside of 4-5 looks sporadically.

The Goga or Isaac idea is something that I could see being entertained.

[parsnips33]

KCP could be pretty interesting honestly

The version of KCP that played in Denver or LAL would definitely be interesting for GS

The version of KCP that played in ORL last season, with a significant fall-off in shooting and D but still costing 15% of the salary cap, would be a lot less interesting. Was KCP's bad season because of the situation in ORL, or a decline due to age? YMMV.

If you trade for him, you are gambling that KCP will bounce back in GS, and you're also using up $21M in salary on that bet. It's a reasonable gamble, but I'd question this move for GSW given their salary situation

It's an expensive gamble for sure, maybe too much so

But boy would that championship version of KCP fill a hole for us

[jowglenn]

Let Kuminga walk, or if he gets no good offers, try to keep him on some cheap deal; sign a down-and-out vet or two. Run it back.

Butler was their big swing for the fences, and they don't really have room to make another such move. They're riding with this crew until Curry retires and that's that.

[xdrta+]

I suspect Kuminga is gone. They can't justify even an MLE deal and the tax penalties for a guy their coach really doesn't want to play. Only way I see him back is if he plays out the QO, but I suspect GSW might not even issue that for fear he takes it.
Then I think they try and move Moody and get back a cheap big.

What? Of course they're going to offer it, it's only $7.9M. And no chance he takes it. He's likely to get offers, maybe not as much as he wants but considerably more than that. And if they can't swing an S&T first, they'll likely match.

Just Brooklyn that can give him an offer (that he and his agent would take). He's surely not going to consider an MLE offer?

Why not? $14M is better than $7.9M.

[parsnips33]

Seth Curry could be interesting? Need some quick trigger shooters to play off of Jimmy

Or Duncan Robinson

[Scoot McGroot]

What? Of course they're going to offer it, it's only $7.9M. And no chance he takes it. He's likely to get offers, maybe not as much as he wants but considerably more than that. And if they can't swing an S&T first, they'll likely match.

Just Brooklyn that can give him an offer (that he and his agent would take). He's surely not going to consider an MLE offer?

Why not? $14M is better than $7.9M.

Because, as an offer sheet, it'd have to be for a minimum of 2 seasons, with no offers. You don't think that Kuminga and his agency will feel strongly that Kuminga is worth much more than $29m for 2 years? I would imagine they'd push to get him to unrestricted free agency as soon as possible.

[xdrta+]

Just Brooklyn that can give him an offer (that he and his agent would take). He's surely not going to consider an MLE offer?

Why not? $14M is better than $7.9M.

Because, as an offer sheet, it'd have to be for a minimum of 2 seasons, with no offers. You don't think that Kuminga and his agency will feel strongly that Kuminga is worth much more than $29m for 2 years? I would imagine they'd push to get him to unrestricted free agency as soon as possible.

You think he would take the QO in hopes of signing somewhere for more the following summer? That's a long way off.

[gswhoops]

What? Of course they're going to offer it, it's only $7.9M. And no chance he takes it. He's likely to get offers, maybe not as much as he wants but considerably more than that. And if they can't swing an S&T first, they'll likely match.

Why? Kuminga doesn't want to be here and Kerr doesn't want to play him.

If we let JK walk, we'll have $25M under the first apron, which means we get a ton of flexibility to improve the roster via signings or trades. Use the money on guys who actually want to be here and can actually help us win games.

If Kuminga can't get more than a cheap offer GS could decide that it's better to match and then look to trade him later. It's not great - especially as JK starts slow - but might happen. Obviously better to work out a S&T for some (even limited) value but that might not be so easy this offseason.

I guess my question then is...if no one is willing to give him a decent offer in FA/via S&T, why would he have trade value on whatever 1 year deal he's forced to settle for?

I don't see the value in prolonging this for another year and spending our limited resources on a guy who clearly doesn't want to be here and who our coach doesn't want to play all in the hopes of maybe extracting some value from him in the future.

[gswhoops]

Why not? $14M is better than $7.9M.

Because, as an offer sheet, it'd have to be for a minimum of 2 seasons, with no offers. You don't think that Kuminga and his agency will feel strongly that Kuminga is worth much more than $29m for 2 years? I would imagine they'd push to get him to unrestricted free agency as soon as possible.

You think he would take the QO in hopes of signing somewhere for more the following summer? That's a long way off.

I think he would rather commit to one year of being underpaid than two.

[xdrta+]

Joe Lacob, after the game:

“I was listening to the guys behind me tonight give running commentary — T’Wolves fans,” Lacob said. “(Kuminga)’s the guy they talked about all night long. He’s the only guy that could really guard (Anthony Edwards) out there. Did a pretty damn good job. He had a tough situation with the DNPs from the last series, and to bounce back from that, I give him a lot of credit. I’m a big fan of his.”

[Scoot McGroot]

Because, as an offer sheet, it'd have to be for a minimum of 2 seasons, with no offers. You don't think that Kuminga and his agency will feel strongly that Kuminga is worth much more than $29m for 2 years? I would imagine they'd push to get him to unrestricted free agency as soon as possible.

You think he would take the QO in hopes of signing somewhere for more the following summer? That's a long way off.

I think he would rather commit to one year of being underpaid than two.

Any decent agent would feel the same way. And Kuminga, so far, hasn't seemed to be someone willing to just "settle". Sounds like a guy that would be willing to bet on himself for awhile?

[giberish]

KCP could be pretty interesting honestly

The version of KCP that played in Denver or LAL would definitely be interesting for GS

The version of KCP that played in ORL last season, with a significant fall-off in shooting and D but still costing 15% of the salary cap, would be a lot less interesting. Was KCP's bad season because of the situation in ORL, or a decline due to age? YMMV.

If you trade for him, you are gambling that KCP will bounce back in GS, and you're also using up $21M in salary on that bet. It's a reasonable gamble, but I'd question this move for GSW given their salary situation

It's an expensive gamble for sure, maybe too much so

But boy would that championship version of KCP fill a hole for us

KCP at $15M would really help. KCP at $30M is a problem.

[giberish]

S&T Kuminga to Chicago for Smith and Ball?

If Chicago drafts a center they'd probably look to move one of their current 3 and Smith is the only interesting one (if they draft a forward they probably have no Kuminga interest). I'd hate to rely on Ball's health but in theory he's an excellent fit and the Warriors probably can't afford the options without flaws.

[xdrta+]

I think he would rather commit to one year of being underpaid than two.

Any decent agent would feel the same way. And Kuminga, so far, hasn't seemed to be someone willing to just "settle". Sounds like a guy that would be willing to bet on himself for awhile?

Well, supposedly he turned down a big number last year, presumably on the advice of his agent, now his agent tells him to turn down almost $30M and take $8M with the hope of snagging a big contract next summer? I don't know about that, he might be looking for a new agent by then. It's hard to see him shining in the Warrior system next year either, which he would have to do to get that big contract.

[Texas Chuck]

I suspect Kuminga is gone. They can't justify even an MLE deal and the tax penalties for a guy their coach really doesn't want to play. Only way I see him back is if he plays out the QO, but I suspect GSW might not even issue that for fear he takes it.
Then I think they try and move Moody and get back a cheap big.

What? Of course they're going to offer it, it's only $7.9M. And no chance he takes it. He's likely to get offers, maybe not as much as he wants but considerably more than that. And if they can't swing an S&T first, they'll likely match.

Yeah that's my bad, I forgot his doghouse days means he only gets this tiny QO. They will definitely offer that. Thanks for correcting me, big miss by me.

[oldncreaky]

The version of KCP that played in Denver or LAL would definitely be interesting for GS

The version of KCP that played in ORL last season, with a significant fall-off in shooting and D but still costing 15% of the salary cap, would be a lot less interesting. Was KCP's bad season because of the situation in ORL, or a decline due to age? YMMV.

If you trade for him, you are gambling that KCP will bounce back in GS, and you're also using up $21M in salary on that bet. It's a reasonable gamble, but I'd question this move for GSW given their salary situation

It's an expensive gamble for sure, maybe too much so

But boy would that championship version of KCP fill a hole for us

KCP at $15M would really help. KCP at $30M is a problem.

KCP is $21.6M each of the next 2 seasons (14% of the cap in 2025-26, 12.7% for his PO in 2026-27)

GSW's 2025-26 roster is standing at $170.5M for just 9 players. The 3 core stars Curry+Butler+Green use up a touch over 90% of the salary cap. Filling out the rest of the line up becomes really hard if you add KCP and are at 104% of the salary cap for just 4 players, and still need a passable C rotation, more shooting, and a decent bench.

It's doable building around Curry-Butler-Green-KCP, but I wouldn't take the gamble on KCP because if he stays anything like the ORL version you've booted a season. Next playoffs, Curry will be 38 and Jimmy and Draymond both 36, so you don't really have a season to wait.

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[Nate the Great]

The three teams who have shown the most interest in Kuminga are

1. Miami. Possibly with Wiggins returning.
2. Chicago. I like the idea of Vucevic on the Warriors. He gives them a third scorer, rebounding and passing. And the Bulls are trying to get younger, so it might make sense for them too.
3. Brooklyn. Intriguing in part because they’re the one team that could take back more salary than they send out. That also makes them the only team that could just sign him, but the Warriors could match. Cam Johnson would be nice.

[parsnips33]

Could we actually get Wiggs back?

[Godaddycurse]

Could we actually get Wiggs back?

You have to send out more salary in addition to kuminga. Moody needs to be outgoing too (to a 3rd team)

[Papi_swav]

Get a real big man for once, for crying out load. Get a scoring guard just in case Steph misses time, someone like Sexton or Clarkson, that can come off the bench and score. Add some 3&D wings, should be fine. Use Kuminga contract in a sign and trade since he doesn't really fit there anymore.