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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#361 » by mpharris36 » Thu May 15, 2025 7:16 pm

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this is the start of the game...everyone should be fresh...hart jogging back on defense...Mikal only one looking like he's communicating who has who. Hart just doesn't really make a move to anyone...KAT thinks no one has KP so he gets caught sinking into the paint too far and then a wide open corner 3 for there first shot.

just inexcusable stuff.


KAT again ...

How many times have we seen something like this? I still remember a couple of times throughout the season where OG was pushing KAT to guard his man.


KAT?? Why the hell didn’t mikal pick him up instead of standing around in the middle of the court pointing fingers? Why are we relying on KAT to pick up Derrick white in transition?

He should be treated like curry is on the back of his jersey but it was very clearly not a point of emphasis by the coaching staff to find him and stick to him every play



Mikal is doing what you are suppose to do communicate...what is Hart doing? He's jogging back and then after being told where to go he doesn't do it because it would have been extra effort. I typically love Harts effort but this play was on him. He needs to first sprint back. Then when Mikal communicates where he needs to go he needs to do it even if it means to run harder.

KAT gets caught in no mans land for no reason...but the play starts by not getting back in transition.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#362 » by NoStatsGuy » Thu May 15, 2025 7:17 pm

we will get them next time boys and girls. and what happened yesterday doesnt matter anymore!
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#363 » by WargamesX » Thu May 15, 2025 7:22 pm

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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#364 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu May 15, 2025 7:25 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:It was a really bad game, but just need to refocus and close them out tomorrow and it's all good.



Yeah I have confidence this team has shown it can rebound in the playoffs off a stinker. Really just need to find Derrick White early and often.

Brunson didn't play well, and we didn't get much from Mikal, OG, and KAT...I can't believe they all play poorly again.


Containing Derrick White and even Pritchard are the keys.

I mean, at the least can't give them so many open looks. White has always been crazy underrated and gets his shot off really quick. But have to key on him and make it tougher.

Brown will get his. His passing killed us more then anything. Just let him get his if we need to stay home on there shooters
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#365 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 15, 2025 7:25 pm

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KAT again ...

How many times have we seen something like this? I still remember a couple of times throughout the season where OG was pushing KAT to guard his man.


KAT?? Why the hell didn’t mikal pick him up instead of standing around in the middle of the court pointing fingers? Why are we relying on KAT to pick up Derrick white in transition?

He should be treated like curry is on the back of his jersey but it was very clearly not a point of emphasis by the coaching staff to find him and stick to him every play



Mikal is doing what you are suppose to do communicate...what is Hart doing? He's jogging back and then after being told where to go he doesn't do it because it would have been extra effort. I typically love Harts effort but this play was on him. He needs to first sprint back. Then when Mikal communicates where he needs to go he needs to do it even if it means to run harder.

KAT gets caught in no mans land for no reason...but the play starts by not getting back in transition.


It's pretty aggravating that we are in the 2nd round and guys have absolutely no clue where they are supposed to be defensively and they're not communicating/making extra effort. This is stuff that should be hashed out like in December :noway:
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#366 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 15, 2025 7:28 pm

With Brown's handful of junk, Mathurin was thrown out of a game for doing less.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#367 » by Jeff Van Gully » Thu May 15, 2025 7:34 pm

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KAT?? Why the hell didn’t mikal pick him up instead of standing around in the middle of the court pointing fingers? Why are we relying on KAT to pick up Derrick white in transition?

He should be treated like curry is on the back of his jersey but it was very clearly not a point of emphasis by the coaching staff to find him and stick to him every play



Mikal is doing what you are suppose to do communicate...what is Hart doing? He's jogging back and then after being told where to go he doesn't do it because it would have been extra effort. I typically love Harts effort but this play was on him. He needs to first sprint back. Then when Mikal communicates where he needs to go he needs to do it even if it means to run harder.

KAT gets caught in no mans land for no reason...but the play starts by not getting back in transition.


It's pretty aggravating that we are in the 2nd round and guys have absolutely no clue where they are supposed to be defensively and they're not communicating/making extra effort. This is stuff that should be hashed out like in December :noway:


not really, especially with so many moving parts. but will let you cook. we hurting.

the lapses are costly and too frequent. periods of time they look like they have it down, but then don't sustain it. that living energy of the game. celtics been there for literally years. we really just starting as constructed.

not excusing. just saying.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#368 » by Capn'O » Thu May 15, 2025 7:35 pm

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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#369 » by Capn'O » Thu May 15, 2025 7:38 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:It was a really bad game, but just need to refocus and close them out tomorrow and it's all good.



Yeah I have confidence this team has shown it can rebound in the playoffs off a stinker. Really just need to find Derrick White early and often.

Brunson didn't play well, and we didn't get much from Mikal, OG, and KAT...I can't believe they all play poorly again.


Containing Derrick White and even Pritchard are the keys.

I mean, at the least can't give them so many open looks. White has always been crazy underrated and gets his shot off really quick. But have to key on him and make it tougher.

Brown will get his. His passing killed us more then anything. Just let him get his if we need to stay home on there shooters


And Hauser. They've got a bomb squad.

Finally putting the kibosh on KP may have helped them too. That part has me a bit nervous because he was playing really bad.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#370 » by Guano » Thu May 15, 2025 7:39 pm

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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#371 » by mpharris36 » Thu May 15, 2025 7:48 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:It was a really bad game, but just need to refocus and close them out tomorrow and it's all good.



Yeah I have confidence this team has shown it can rebound in the playoffs off a stinker. Really just need to find Derrick White early and often.

Brunson didn't play well, and we didn't get much from Mikal, OG, and KAT...I can't believe they all play poorly again.


Containing Derrick White and even Pritchard are the keys.

I mean, at the least can't give them so many open looks. White has always been crazy underrated and gets his shot off really quick. But have to key on him and make it tougher.

Brown will get his. His passing killed us more then anything. Just let him get his if we need to stay home on there shooters


Yeah I'm ok with Brown going 1 on 1 and getting his...we just have to find there shooters and stay home...Brown made a lot of tough mid ranges and a few pull up 3's last night...I will live with those shots because those aren't the most EFF for him.

It containing there high volume shooters that really don't do much off the dribble the key.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#372 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 15, 2025 8:13 pm

Is it not a bit odd that Hart says he has no idea why the breakdowns are happening?

Hart is an honest individual who doesn’t seem to be evading the question or being strategically silent.

Shouldn’t that be an ongoing conversation with clues, ideas, concepts … or just anything … to move in the direction of fixing it? By Tom leading the team.

Or is it just: Cmon man!
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#373 » by JayTWill » Thu May 15, 2025 8:15 pm

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Mikal Bridges is shooting 25% on wide open looks with no defender within 6 feet

He’s getting more wide open looks than Jaylen Brown but Brown is shooting 58% from those same looks. Josh Hart is shooting 50% from those same looks. OG is shooting 46%. Even guys like Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler are shooting 27-28% from 3 on wide open looks. Mikal has been worse.

And also stop pretending that this is the first time teams have sent two on the ball. We’ve seen this all throughout the playoffs in history, teams send traps and doubles all the time but if the open guy is shooting 50% from those looks then he’s doing his job. And we’ve been getting plenty of open looks and last night nobody else was able to shoot but it’s consistently been Mikal. He’s been shooting poorly all playoffs long


And that accounts for 1.2 of Mikal's shot attempts per game at 33% in this series. 33% or 50% of 1.2 fga is insignificant and i'm curious how many of those limited shots are those terrible pull up transition 3's that he takes. Hart is getting almost 4 wide open 3pt fga this series and that doesn't include the other half that he turns down. There is no way you can look at those clips and not clearly see how Hart impacts the half court offense in a negative way. Even when Mikal is ice cold they don't ignore him the way they ignore Hart.

In those clips Hart made two 3's without anyone in his zip code and somehow in the next 2-3 possessions turned down 2 more wide opens 3's to drive into the paint which created no advantage. One where he brought his defender right to KAT before dumping it off to him leading to KAT getting his shot blocked and another where Hart got his shot blocked. Explain to me how he is making the offense easier for his teammates in those clips please.


33% is still terrible. Not to mention his 2 point percentage is not good either and most of his 2 pointers are in 1 on 1 situations. His best game of the series and he still only shot 1-6 from 3. OG is shooting better. Brunson is shooting better. Hart is shooting better. Mikal has been terrible. And you can go rewatch all of the games from the series and see how many open looks he’s bricked and no I’m not just talking about those transition pull ups.

You say Hart isn’t making the offense easier, how exactly is Mikal making the offense easier? He’s had one good offensive game all series and that includes a 1-6 shooting game. Everybody else has been able to provide more, someway somehow despite the same defensive coverage of Boston.


Mikal is making it easier than Hart for his teammate by simply not being ignored or drawing 2 defenders in the pick and roll. One of Hart's wide open shots came from Mikal drawing 2 in the pick and roll. In some of those clips they are face guarding Mikal which should essentially make it a 4 on 4 situation with more space for others to operate except for the fact the defense is once again almost completely ignoring Hart making it a 3 on 4 situation.

They are not being punished for sending 2 to the ball since they don't have to make quick rotations or hard closeouts to Hart which could create the same confusion the Knicks are having trying to closeout, rotate or switch on their shooters. Kornet roamed around disrupting everyone else's offense while Hart without much defensive attention only resulted in him scoring 9 points even with him hitting two 3's right out the gate.

Mikal has been inconsistent but there is no way in hell the Celtics would have Kornet playing off him all game letting him get wherever he wants on the court outside of shots at the rim. Mikal would destroy him in the midrange and he may get hot somewhere else with that rhythm. Once again Hart hit two 3's back to back and the Celtics still didn't believe he could beat them and the sad part is no one on the Knicks thought he could either including Hart himself which is why he started turning the shot down. It's painfully obvious whether you want to admit it or not.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#374 » by Wildcat » Thu May 15, 2025 8:20 pm

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KAT?? Why the hell didn’t mikal pick him up instead of standing around in the middle of the court pointing fingers? Why are we relying on KAT to pick up Derrick white in transition?

He should be treated like curry is on the back of his jersey but it was very clearly not a point of emphasis by the coaching staff to find him and stick to him every play



Mikal is doing what you are suppose to do communicate...what is Hart doing? He's jogging back and then after being told where to go he doesn't do it because it would have been extra effort. I typically love Harts effort but this play was on him. He needs to first sprint back. Then when Mikal communicates where he needs to go he needs to do it even if it means to run harder.

KAT gets caught in no mans land for no reason...but the play starts by not getting back in transition.


It's pretty aggravating that we are in the 2nd round and guys have absolutely no clue where they are supposed to be defensively and they're not communicating/making extra effort. This is stuff that should be hashed out like in December :noway:


It's absolutely baffling. I can't think of any other time where this has happened. There's gelling issues and there's ... this. It's all so ... unserious.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#375 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu May 15, 2025 8:20 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Is it not a bit odd that Hart says he has no idea why the breakdowns are happening?

Hart is an honest individual who doesn’t seem to be evading the question or being strategically silent.

Shouldn’t that be an ongoing conversation with clues, ideas, concepts … or just anything … to move in the direction of fixing it? By Tom leading the team.

Or is it just: Cmon man!

He knows why but doesn’t want to throw his team mate under the bus
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#376 » by Wildcat » Thu May 15, 2025 8:23 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Is it not a bit odd that Hart says he has no idea why the breakdowns are happening?

Hart is an honest individual who doesn’t seem to be evading the question or being strategically silent.

Shouldn’t that be an ongoing conversation with clues, ideas, concepts … or just anything … to move in the direction of fixing it? By Tom leading the team.

Or is it just: Cmon man!


He's honest, yeah, but he also doesn't (seemingly) throw anyone under the bus. In this case, every soundbite Josh has said never references a specific individual, but this breakdown in communication means someone isn't listening. And considering how vocal Mikal is, it has to be KAT because OG was here last season and we didn't have this problem.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#377 » by Wildcat » Thu May 15, 2025 8:27 pm

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Lmao, a hot take is still a hot take. This is moot if the Knicks hit their open shots. Blocks aside, Boston's D wasn't great. OG hits half is open shots, Knicks go into half time up by double digits.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#378 » by kNicksGmen » Thu May 15, 2025 8:32 pm

Capn'O wrote:
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Yeah I have confidence this team has shown it can rebound in the playoffs off a stinker. Really just need to find Derrick White early and often.

Brunson didn't play well, and we didn't get much from Mikal, OG, and KAT...I can't believe they all play poorly again.


Containing Derrick White and even Pritchard are the keys.

I mean, at the least can't give them so many open looks. White has always been crazy underrated and gets his shot off really quick. But have to key on him and make it tougher.

Brown will get his. His passing killed us more then anything. Just let him get his if we need to stay home on there shooters


And Hauser. They've got a bomb squad.

Finally putting the kibosh on KP may have helped them too. That part has me a bit nervous because he was playing really bad.
Yup horford has overall been bad also and is outmatched by the size of Kat and Mitch.

Them playing Kornet 30 minutes going forward could be a real issue for us especially if Thibs doesn't adjust and go double big or true 5 out. He gives them the size and rim protection that KP hasn't been able to do and is a good screener too.
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#379 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 15, 2025 8:43 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Is it not a bit odd that Hart says he has no idea why the breakdowns are happening?

Hart is an honest individual who doesn’t seem to be evading the question or being strategically silent.

Shouldn’t that be an ongoing conversation with clues, ideas, concepts … or just anything … to move in the direction of fixing it? By Tom leading the team.

Or is it just: Cmon man!

He knows why but doesn’t want to throw his team mate under the bus


Brunson? Mitch had a better +- so maybe bench KAT
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Re: PG: First road loss in this playoff 

Post#380 » by WargamesX » Thu May 15, 2025 8:49 pm

KnicksGod wrote:With Brown's handful of junk, Mathurin was thrown out of a game for doing less.

Not even that he grabbed them, he actually yanked down on them to cause pain. Like it’s a flagrant, and Hart reacted like any reasonable person would and they essentially said “play ball”
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