2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[Beenie]

I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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Im out on all Titos

Wiggins is a Tito with a capital T

If Mia manages to get a star, though, then fine, he can stay, maybe, if better options arent viable, that is

[Flash4thewin]

If the KD trade falls through, I wonder if they pivot to trying to get Jrue from the Celtics. There's a good chance he gets shopped, since Boston needs to get under the 2nd apron.

They could offer Terry and essentially absorb the rest of Jrue’s deal, giving the Celtics around $7.5M in cap relief, which gets them closer and they can probably move Terry for some more cap relief down the line.

Not for free. I think 2026 is a pipe dream. The way its lining up no one of significance will be on the market. While Heat are in transition, they should be using their cap space and expirings to restock their picks.
If Boston wants to dump Jrue contract for Terry + Love then they gotta send us a protected 1st. Jrue looked kinda washed, no way you take on that contract without compensation. Then you hope Jrue plays well and you try to flip him again in the trade deadline for 1st or 2nd rounders.
Same for Duncan, you should be shopping for 1st. There might a be a team out there that desperate to get out of tax and Duncan's contract is immediate salary relief.
We should be doing same for Wiggins + Kyle shop them around for a team that needs them or needs their contract to cut salary.
This is what OKC did in their transition years. Used their cap to get picks. They eat twice on Chris Paul. Got picks + CP3 for Westbrook and then flipped CP3 later on for more picks.
This is why I am against KD deal. Its 60 mil in salary that can be used to accumulate assets. We won't contend with him. But if FA doesn't want a full rebuild then the next best option is development + asset accumulation and wait for the right trade. Play young guys and trade vets for assets.

Trust me, someone (of significance) WILL BE on the market in 2026. That's how it is in this league. Probably more than one star.

But I'm against a KD deal as well if we give up too much assets

Honestly it’s a pipe dream. Most players of significance go for the money so they sign an extension. It’s the players teams don’t want that will hit the market. Think PG-13 level.

[oreon]

If the KD trade falls through, I wonder if they pivot to trying to get Jrue from the Celtics. There's a good chance he gets shopped, since Boston needs to get under the 2nd apron.

They could offer Terry and essentially absorb the rest of Jrue’s deal, giving the Celtics around $7.5M in cap relief, which gets them closer and they can probably move Terry for some more cap relief down the line.

Not for free. I think 2026 is a pipe dream. The way its lining up no one of significance will be on the market. While Heat are in transition, they should be using their cap space and expirings to restock their picks.
If Boston wants to dump Jrue contract for Terry + Love then they gotta send us a protected 1st. Jrue looked kinda washed, no way you take on that contract without compensation. Then you hope Jrue plays well and you try to flip him again in the trade deadline for 1st or 2nd rounders.
Same for Duncan, you should be shopping for 1st. There might a be a team out there that desperate to get out of tax and Duncan's contract is immediate salary relief.
We should be doing same for Wiggins + Kyle shop them around for a team that needs them or needs their contract to cut salary.
This is what OKC did in their transition years. Used their cap to get picks. They eat twice on Chris Paul. Got picks + CP3 for Westbrook and then flipped CP3 later on for more picks.
This is why I am against KD deal. Its 60 mil in salary that can be used to accumulate assets. We won't contend with him. But if FA doesn't want a full rebuild then the next best option is development + asset accumulation and wait for the right trade. Play young guys and trade vets for assets.

Trust me, someone (of significance) WILL BE on the market in 2026. That's how it is in this league. Probably more than one star.

But I'm against a KD deal as well if we give up too much assets

Take away the restricted guys. Here's the list

Luka, Fox - likely to sign extension this summer
Kyrie, Dame - coming off major injury. Dame probably opts in
James Harden, Lebron - old and likely resign with their current teams

So that leaves KD and a bunch of mostly tier 3 or at best tier 2 stars: Trae, Bridges, Jaren Jackson Jr, Lavine, CJ ,McCollum, Julius Randle. Fred VanVleet, Anfernee Simmons

KD too old, Trae too small and Bridges/JJJ are 3rd options

Chances are likely there won't be a franchise cornerstone in the market in FA. You are going to have to get that guy via trade or via draft

[greg4012]

Not for free. I think 2026 is a pipe dream. The way its lining up no one of significance will be on the market. While Heat are in transition, they should be using their cap space and expirings to restock their picks.
If Boston wants to dump Jrue contract for Terry + Love then they gotta send us a protected 1st. Jrue looked kinda washed, no way you take on that contract without compensation. Then you hope Jrue plays well and you try to flip him again in the trade deadline for 1st or 2nd rounders.
Same for Duncan, you should be shopping for 1st. There might a be a team out there that desperate to get out of tax and Duncan's contract is immediate salary relief.
We should be doing same for Wiggins + Kyle shop them around for a team that needs them or needs their contract to cut salary.
This is what OKC did in their transition years. Used their cap to get picks. They eat twice on Chris Paul. Got picks + CP3 for Westbrook and then flipped CP3 later on for more picks.
This is why I am against KD deal. Its 60 mil in salary that can be used to accumulate assets. We won't contend with him. But if FA doesn't want a full rebuild then the next best option is development + asset accumulation and wait for the right trade. Play young guys and trade vets for assets.

Trust me, someone (of significance) WILL BE on the market in 2026. That's how it is in this league. Probably more than one star.

But I'm against a KD deal as well if we give up too much assets

Take away the restricted guys. Here's the list

Luka, Fox - likely to sign extension this summer
Kyrie, Dame - coming off major injury. Dame probably opts in
James Harden, Lebron - old and likely resign with their current teams

So that leaves KD and a bunch of mostly tier 3 or at best tier 2 stars: Trae, Bridges, Jaren Jackson Jr, Lavine, CJ ,McCollum, Julius Randle. Fred VanVleet, Anfernee Simmons

KD too old, Trae too small and Bridges/JJJ are 3rd options

Chances are likely there won't be a franchise cornerstone in the market in FA. You are going to have to get that guy via trade or via draft

I'd imagine he meant more than just free agency in terms of "being on the market". We see All-Star+ caliber players moved via trade every year now--mostly due to their demand.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Note that Luka is a bit of an exception to the norm, as he lost his supermax status due to the trade. Closest similarity to his situation is something like Kawhi in Toronto, and he ended up signing somewhere else he wanted to be.

Now that being said it’s still a long shot. The only connection he has is Goran, and it’s 50/50 whether Luka is a guy that embraces Riley and Heat culture or rejects it. But unless he absolutely falls in love with LA in the next year, there’s a real possibility hes available, and LA has the unenviable task of trying to balance placating a LeBron who can retire at any moment, with a Luka who has no future stars to look forward to growing with on the Lakers, unless you count Austin Reaves, lol.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Note that Luka is a bit of an exception to the norm, as he lost his supermax status due to the trade. Closest similarity to his situation is something like Kawhi in Toronto, and he ended up signing somewhere else he wanted to be.

Now that being said it’s still a long shot. The only connection he has is Goran, and it’s 50/50 whether Luka is a guy that embraces Riley and Heat culture or rejects it. But unless he absolutely falls in love with LA in the next year, there’s a real possibility hes available, and LA has the unenviable task of trying to balance placating a LeBron who can retire at any moment, with a Luka who has no future stars to look forward to growing with on the Lakers, unless you count Austin Reaves, lol.

Not very many superstar players willingly leave the Lakers. The NBA mafia I think had a specific plan placing Luka with the Lakers so I don't see him leaving unless the Lakers themselves have a change of heart.

[ZoStrong]

Not for free. I think 2026 is a pipe dream. The way its lining up no one of significance will be on the market. While Heat are in transition, they should be using their cap space and expirings to restock their picks.
If Boston wants to dump Jrue contract for Terry + Love then they gotta send us a protected 1st. Jrue looked kinda washed, no way you take on that contract without compensation. Then you hope Jrue plays well and you try to flip him again in the trade deadline for 1st or 2nd rounders.
Same for Duncan, you should be shopping for 1st. There might a be a team out there that desperate to get out of tax and Duncan's contract is immediate salary relief.
We should be doing same for Wiggins + Kyle shop them around for a team that needs them or needs their contract to cut salary.
This is what OKC did in their transition years. Used their cap to get picks. They eat twice on Chris Paul. Got picks + CP3 for Westbrook and then flipped CP3 later on for more picks.
This is why I am against KD deal. Its 60 mil in salary that can be used to accumulate assets. We won't contend with him. But if FA doesn't want a full rebuild then the next best option is development + asset accumulation and wait for the right trade. Play young guys and trade vets for assets.

Trust me, someone (of significance) WILL BE on the market in 2026. That's how it is in this league. Probably more than one star.

But I'm against a KD deal as well if we give up too much assets

Take away the restricted guys. Here's the list

Luka, Fox - likely to sign extension this summer
Kyrie, Dame - coming off major injury. Dame probably opts in
James Harden, Lebron - old and likely resign with their current teams

So that leaves KD and a bunch of mostly tier 3 or at best tier 2 stars: Trae, Bridges, Jaren Jackson Jr, Lavine, CJ ,McCollum, Julius Randle. Fred VanVleet, Anfernee Simmons

KD too old, Trae too small and Bridges/JJJ are 3rd options

Chances are likely there won't be a franchise cornerstone in the market in FA. You are going to have to get that guy via trade or via draft

Just look at Butler, Luka, AD, KD... of last season. Stars decide to get out, or teams make crazy unexpected moves. KD ended up not getting moved, but, virtually every year, there will be unexpected stars wanting out or becoming available depending on how the season or the contract talks progress.

[greg4012]

Trust me, someone (of significance) WILL BE on the market in 2026. That's how it is in this league. Probably more than one star.

But I'm against a KD deal as well if we give up too much assets

Take away the restricted guys. Here's the list

Luka, Fox - likely to sign extension this summer
Kyrie, Dame - coming off major injury. Dame probably opts in
James Harden, Lebron - old and likely resign with their current teams

So that leaves KD and a bunch of mostly tier 3 or at best tier 2 stars: Trae, Bridges, Jaren Jackson Jr, Lavine, CJ ,McCollum, Julius Randle. Fred VanVleet, Anfernee Simmons

KD too old, Trae too small and Bridges/JJJ are 3rd options

Chances are likely there won't be a franchise cornerstone in the market in FA. You are going to have to get that guy via trade or via draft

Just look at Butler, Luka, AD, KD... of last season. Stars decide to get out, or teams make crazy unexpected moves. KD ended up not getting moved, but, virtually every year, there will be unexpected stars wanting out or becoming available depending on how the season or the contract talks progress.

Add Fox to the list from last season

[wadenation305]

Trust me, someone (of significance) WILL BE on the market in 2026. That's how it is in this league. Probably more than one star.

But I'm against a KD deal as well if we give up too much assets

Take away the restricted guys. Here's the list

Luka, Fox - likely to sign extension this summer
Kyrie, Dame - coming off major injury. Dame probably opts in
James Harden, Lebron - old and likely resign with their current teams

So that leaves KD and a bunch of mostly tier 3 or at best tier 2 stars: Trae, Bridges, Jaren Jackson Jr, Lavine, CJ ,McCollum, Julius Randle. Fred VanVleet, Anfernee Simmons

KD too old, Trae too small and Bridges/JJJ are 3rd options

Chances are likely there won't be a franchise cornerstone in the market in FA. You are going to have to get that guy via trade or via draft

Just look at Butler, Luka, AD, KD... of last season. Stars decide to get out, or teams make crazy unexpected moves. KD ended up not getting moved, but, virtually every year, there will be unexpected stars wanting out or becoming available depending on how the season or the contract talks progress.

And usually do not have the assets to execute a trade for any of them unless we include Bam

[twix2500]

I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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Im out on all Titos

Wiggins is a Tito with a capital T

If Mia manages to get a star, though, then fine, he can stay, maybe, if better options arent viable, that is

If a player can't lead his team to the finals he is a tito

[wadenation305]

Note that Luka is a bit of an exception to the norm, as he lost his supermax status due to the trade. Closest similarity to his situation is something like Kawhi in Toronto, and he ended up signing somewhere else he wanted to be.

Now that being said it’s still a long shot. The only connection he has is Goran, and it’s 50/50 whether Luka is a guy that embraces Riley and Heat culture or rejects it. But unless he absolutely falls in love with LA in the next year, there’s a real possibility hes available, and LA has the unenviable task of trying to balance placating a LeBron who can retire at any moment, with a Luka who has no future stars to look forward to growing with on the Lakers, unless you count Austin Reaves, lol.

Not very many superstar players willingly leave the Lakers. The NBA mafia I think had a specific plan placing Luka with the Lakers so I don't see him leaving unless the Lakers themselves have a change of heart.

The only good thing is that the Lakers are similar to us in that they have literally almost no picks, no valuable assets, and a 40-year-old Lebron. Unless they find another Nico, they are going to be hard pressed to add any real difference maker next to Luka. But most likely than not, they'll get Giannis for Rui and Reeves just in time to keep Luka.

[wadenation305]

Looks like the Warriors are also out on KD. Stating they are going to be looking for role players, not stars.

[VaDe255]

I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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Im out on all Titos

Wiggins is a Tito with a capital T

If Mia manages to get a star, though, then fine, he can stay, maybe, if better options arent viable, that is

If a player can't lead his team to the finals he is a tito

Dwayne Wade was a Tito, confirmed. Never won a title without Shaq or Lebron

[twix2500]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Looks like the Warriors are also out on KD. Stating they are going to be looking for role players, not stars.

They were never even a consideration after they signed Butler. The Durant sweepstakes will come down to Houston or Heat. I currently have us well in the lead. Houston has the assets to go much younger.

[Voltron914]

If Mil insisted that Dame would need to be unloaded in a Giannis deal, I wonder if Mia would either consider taking him or if they’d be capable of incentivizing another team to absorb his contract

In this apron era taking on that much in dead money to sit is cap suicide. Heat have had to suffer at the hands of dead cap money for years harboring Rozier and Duncan’s contracts which have been cap crippling and now leaving us scrambling to be under the tax line this year to avoid the repeater.

what is the possibility that Rozier takes all the memes and negative criticisms as fuel for the summer then comes back a productive plus player? The FO would be stuck with thinking is it fools gold or actually a change

[Kobewade11]

If Mil insisted that Dame would need to be unloaded in a Giannis deal, I wonder if Mia would either consider taking him or if they’d be capable of incentivizing another team to absorb his contract

In this apron era taking on that much in dead money to sit is cap suicide. Heat have had to suffer at the hands of dead cap money for years harboring Rozier and Duncan’s contracts which have been cap crippling and now leaving us scrambling to be under the tax line this year to avoid the repeater.

what is the possibility that Rozier takes all the memes and negative criticisms as fuel for the summer then comes back a productive plus player? The FO would be stuck with thinking is it fools gold or actually a change

At 31 he is who he is

[Beenie]

I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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Im out on all Titos

Wiggins is a Tito with a capital T

If Mia manages to get a star, though, then fine, he can stay, maybe, if better options arent viable, that is

If a player can't lead his team to the finals he is a tito

Not my definition

A non Tito is a leader ie Michael

Multiple characteristics go into the profile of a Michael.

Sure, being the main guy on a chip winning team would qualify but that isnt the defining characteristic that determines if a guy is a true leader.

Barkley was a Michael who never won, as an example.

[Vertical Limit]

I'm not all out on Wiggins. The fan base is extra sensitive. Everyone is suddenly expecting immediate impact or get out. I can understand to a degree with the veteran players. You all have to chill or you are not going to enjoy the develop of the young players. This rebuild is going to take 2 to 3 years and that's is extremely fast and high expectations itself.

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Im out on all Titos

Wiggins is a Tito with a capital T

If Mia manages to get a star, though, then fine, he can stay, maybe, if better options arent viable, that is

If a player can't lead his team to the finals he is a tito

We are a team filled with Tito Jacksons including Bam and Herro..

Bam is a third option at a championship roster and Herro is coming off the bench as a sixth man from a championship roster..

[Kobewade11]

Off topic, how/why did we as a society ever make it cool to use the name of one of the most important members of the group as some sort of diss? you win with Titos. Could we not use a wacker brother like Marlon?