Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[FlatearthZorro]

Brown to San Antonio
K. Johnson, Barnes, Champagne and #2 pick to C’s

Horrid trade for us. If we're looking to compete, you don't get picks.
I'd say run it back, just try to unload Jrue and KP and get whatever role players on short contracts you can.

Keldon Johnson is the type of player the Cs need.

And the #2 pick, Dylan Harper, has the potential to be an elite player in the NBA.

The 2nd window of this Tatum led Cs will most likely start in 2026-27.

Many NBA analysts say that it's not sustainable to have 2 supermax players on one team.

Makes sense because starting next season, the Jays will eat up close to 70% of the salary cap space.

So it's up to Brad, but getting the #2 pick is not rebuilding.

Tatum, White, PP, Luke, maybe Sam, supplemented by Harper, Keldon, and other pieces is the model for sustainability.

Other pieces could be Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

There's just no cap flexibility if you have 2 supermax guys on the roster.

It is, the only team which had it work out somewhat is the Spurs with Kawhi and they still had Timmy, Manu and Parker.
I can't think of any other team actually being successful doing this. Warriors failed miserably and most of their picks went to waste, including Kuminga it seems.

[Fierce1]

Horrid trade for us. If we're looking to compete, you don't get picks.
I'd say run it back, just try to unload Jrue and KP and get whatever role players on short contracts you can.

Keldon Johnson is the type of player the Cs need.

And the #2 pick, Dylan Harper, has the potential to be an elite player in the NBA.

The 2nd window of this Tatum led Cs will most likely start in 2026-27.

Many NBA analysts say that it's not sustainable to have 2 supermax players on one team.

Makes sense because starting next season, the Jays will eat up close to 70% of the salary cap space.

So it's up to Brad, but getting the #2 pick is not rebuilding.

Tatum, White, PP, Luke, maybe Sam, supplemented by Harper, Keldon, and other pieces is the model for sustainability.

Other pieces could be Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

There's just no cap flexibility if you have 2 supermax guys on the roster.

And if Harper doesn’t reach his potential within 3 years you’ll have no supermax players on the team. Tatum isn’t sticking around for that.

Same thing if you keep JT, JB, and White.

Those 3 will total around 135m next season.

You will not be able to assemble a good supporting cast if 3 players eat up that much cap space.

There will be no Jrue, KP, and Al.

A compromise would be to move White instead of JB.

[Fierce1]

Horrid trade for us. If we're looking to compete, you don't get picks.
I'd say run it back, just try to unload Jrue and KP and get whatever role players on short contracts you can.

Keldon Johnson is the type of player the Cs need.

And the #2 pick, Dylan Harper, has the potential to be an elite player in the NBA.

The 2nd window of this Tatum led Cs will most likely start in 2026-27.

Many NBA analysts say that it's not sustainable to have 2 supermax players on one team.

Makes sense because starting next season, the Jays will eat up close to 70% of the salary cap space.

So it's up to Brad, but getting the #2 pick is not rebuilding.

Tatum, White, PP, Luke, maybe Sam, supplemented by Harper, Keldon, and other pieces is the model for sustainability.

Other pieces could be Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

There's just no cap flexibility if you have 2 supermax guys on the roster.

It is, the only team which had it work out somewhat is the Spurs with Kawhi and they still had Timmy, Manu and Parker.
I can't think of any other team actually being successful doing this. Warriors failed miserably and most of their picks went to waste, including Kuminga it seems.

It's the Warriors' fault they made the wrong picks.

Once DWhite's extension kicks in next season, it would be like KD, Booker, and Beal.

Suns could not get the right supporting cast because 3 players ate up all the cap space.

It's up to Brad, but I believe the Jays plus White is not sustainable.

[FlatearthZorro]

Keldon Johnson is the type of player the Cs need.

And the #2 pick, Dylan Harper, has the potential to be an elite player in the NBA.

The 2nd window of this Tatum led Cs will most likely start in 2026-27.

Many NBA analysts say that it's not sustainable to have 2 supermax players on one team.

Makes sense because starting next season, the Jays will eat up close to 70% of the salary cap space.

So it's up to Brad, but getting the #2 pick is not rebuilding.

Tatum, White, PP, Luke, maybe Sam, supplemented by Harper, Keldon, and other pieces is the model for sustainability.

Other pieces could be Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

There's just no cap flexibility if you have 2 supermax guys on the roster.

It is, the only team which had it work out somewhat is the Spurs with Kawhi and they still had Timmy, Manu and Parker.
I can't think of any other team actually being successful doing this. Warriors failed miserably and most of their picks went to waste, including Kuminga it seems.

It's the Warriors' fault they made the wrong picks.

Once DWhite's extension kicks in next season, it would be like KD, Booker, and Beal.

Suns could not get the right supporting cast because 3 players ate up all the cap space.

It's up to Brad, but I believe the Jays plus White is not sustainable.

We need to somehow move Jrue and KP, that's the priority. I think you still keep Brown as you aren't getting anything close in return.

[GoCeltics123]

It is, the only team which had it work out somewhat is the Spurs with Kawhi and they still had Timmy, Manu and Parker.
I can't think of any other team actually being successful doing this. Warriors failed miserably and most of their picks went to waste, including Kuminga it seems.

It's the Warriors' fault they made the wrong picks.

Once DWhite's extension kicks in next season, it would be like KD, Booker, and Beal.

Suns could not get the right supporting cast because 3 players ate up all the cap space.

It's up to Brad, but I believe the Jays plus White is not sustainable.

We need to somehow move Jrue and KP, that's the priority. I think you still keep Brown as you aren't getting anything close in return.

I think you can entertain Jaylen for Ja simply because of the asset cost (it's kinda like the Smart/KP trade, selling high and buying low) but it's a huge risk andI don't think Brad would be willing to take that risk.

Also we don't know the status of Jaylen's knee this offseason.

[Larry_Russell]

It's the Warriors' fault they made the wrong picks.

Once DWhite's extension kicks in next season, it would be like KD, Booker, and Beal.

Suns could not get the right supporting cast because 3 players ate up all the cap space.

It's up to Brad, but I believe the Jays plus White is not sustainable.

We need to somehow move Jrue and KP, that's the priority. I think you still keep Brown as you aren't getting anything close in return.

I think you can entertain Jaylen for Ja simply because of the asset cost (it's kinda like the Smart/KP trade, selling high and buying low) but it's a huge risk andI don't think Brad would be willing to take that risk.

Also we don't know the status of Jaylen's knee this offseason.

If Browns Knee is getting a surgery this offseason, then I dont want to trade him. Value will be too low, un;less someone really offers up something that cannot be refused (Giannis or Flagg or something bonkers)

Otherwise I just want him to get the surgery and sit a BUNCH next season.

I want to retool and have a season with no tatum no brown so that we get a good lotto pick, then come back completely revamped in a season and dominate with a completely healthy Brown and Tatum, WHite and the young guys that have gotten a huge opportunity to grow.

[Celts17Pride]

It's the Warriors' fault they made the wrong picks.

Once DWhite's extension kicks in next season, it would be like KD, Booker, and Beal.

Suns could not get the right supporting cast because 3 players ate up all the cap space.

It's up to Brad, but I believe the Jays plus White is not sustainable.

We need to somehow move Jrue and KP, that's the priority. I think you still keep Brown as you aren't getting anything close in return.

I think you can entertain Jaylen for Ja simply because of the asset cost (it's kinda like the Smart/KP trade, selling high and buying low) but it's a huge risk andI don't think Brad would be willing to take that risk.

Also we don't know the status of Jaylen's knee this offseason.

I don't think Brad Stevens goes anywhere near Ja and his troubles.

[Larry_Russell]

We need to somehow move Jrue and KP, that's the priority. I think you still keep Brown as you aren't getting anything close in return.

I think you can entertain Jaylen for Ja simply because of the asset cost (it's kinda like the Smart/KP trade, selling high and buying low) but it's a huge risk andI don't think Brad would be willing to take that risk.

Also we don't know the status of Jaylen's knee this offseason.

I don't think Brad Stevens goes anywhere near Ja and his troubles.

unless 3 team?

[chrisab123]

Keldon Johnson is the type of player the Cs need.

And the #2 pick, Dylan Harper, has the potential to be an elite player in the NBA.

The 2nd window of this Tatum led Cs will most likely start in 2026-27.

Many NBA analysts say that it's not sustainable to have 2 supermax players on one team.

Makes sense because starting next season, the Jays will eat up close to 70% of the salary cap space.

So it's up to Brad, but getting the #2 pick is not rebuilding.

Tatum, White, PP, Luke, maybe Sam, supplemented by Harper, Keldon, and other pieces is the model for sustainability.

Other pieces could be Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

There's just no cap flexibility if you have 2 supermax guys on the roster.

And if Harper doesn’t reach his potential within 3 years you’ll have no supermax players on the team. Tatum isn’t sticking around for that.

Same thing if you keep JT, JB, and White.

Those 3 will total around 135m next season.

You will not be able to assemble a good supporting cast if 3 players eat up that much cap space.

There will be no Jrue, KP, and Al.

A compromise would be to move White instead of JB.

You still can. You just need to hit on all of your draft picks and sign vet minimum talent.

[chrisab123]

Keldon Johnson is the type of player the Cs need.

And the #2 pick, Dylan Harper, has the potential to be an elite player in the NBA.

The 2nd window of this Tatum led Cs will most likely start in 2026-27.

Many NBA analysts say that it's not sustainable to have 2 supermax players on one team.

Makes sense because starting next season, the Jays will eat up close to 70% of the salary cap space.

So it's up to Brad, but getting the #2 pick is not rebuilding.

Tatum, White, PP, Luke, maybe Sam, supplemented by Harper, Keldon, and other pieces is the model for sustainability.

Other pieces could be Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

There's just no cap flexibility if you have 2 supermax guys on the roster.

It is, the only team which had it work out somewhat is the Spurs with Kawhi and they still had Timmy, Manu and Parker.
I can't think of any other team actually being successful doing this. Warriors failed miserably and most of their picks went to waste, including Kuminga it seems.

It's the Warriors' fault they made the wrong picks.

Once DWhite's extension kicks in next season, it would be like KD, Booker, and Beal.

Suns could not get the right supporting cast because 3 players ate up all the cap space.

It's up to Brad, but I believe the Jays plus White is not sustainable.

It’s different because they won together and the Celtics fit better than then Suns. I think you’re putting way too much stock into the whole luxury tax thing. It makes it much more difficult but by hitting on the draft picks they’ll be okay. Remember Queta Hauser and Kornet were JAGs until they came to the Celtics.

[playa-hater]

Here's my duck the tax next year compromise. Not sure I'm even on board myself, but it does:
- Keep JB, White and Pritchard.
- Duck the tax to reset repeater/apron (saves $52.7M total)
- Gets 2 good young players instead of just dumping guys.
- Leaves room to resign Al and Luke and still be under the tax.
- Keeps us competitive. Not tanking, still a good team for JT to rejoin.

Pritchard / Anthony Black
White / Baylor
Brown / Walsh / Svi
Horford / X
Luke / Isaiah Stewart / Queta
28 (Yaxel? Penda? Raynaud?)
Tatum
Zero to one of: JD, vet mins, Peterson, Norris, 43, 53.

New guys in bold. Black and Stewart bring D and toughness. Shooting work in progress.
Outgoing: KP, Jrue, Hauser, 2026 first. 2nd swapping with Danny.

Details in spoiler.

Spoiler:

Move 1: -$24.4M
---------
BOS in: A Black, ORL 29 2nd
BOS out: Jrue, 2026 BOS 1st*

ORL in: Jrue, Fake 2nd
ORL out: A Black, KCP, Jett, 27 ORL 1st swap rights**, ORL 29 2nd

BKN out: Fake 2nd***
BKN in: 2026 BOS 1st, 27 ORL 1st swap rights, KCP, Jett


Move 2: -$28.3M
-----------------
BOS in: Stewart, Svi, 43, 53
BOS out: KP, Hauser, 32

DET in: KP, Hauser, Juzang
DET out: Stewart, Fontecchio

UTA in: Fontecchio, 32
UTA out: Svi, Juzang, 43, 53

Instead of the 2nd swaps to pay Danny, we could maybe just keep 32 and send JD? He seems to still like our guys.
Either way, we gotta give him something to go from Fontecchio to Svi and save ~5M for Al/Luke.

excellent post. too much math for me to ever figure out myself. Your idea sounds legit.

[Celts17Pride]

Keldon Johnson is the type of player the Cs need.

And the #2 pick, Dylan Harper, has the potential to be an elite player in the NBA.

The 2nd window of this Tatum led Cs will most likely start in 2026-27.

Many NBA analysts say that it's not sustainable to have 2 supermax players on one team.

Makes sense because starting next season, the Jays will eat up close to 70% of the salary cap space.

So it's up to Brad, but getting the #2 pick is not rebuilding.

Tatum, White, PP, Luke, maybe Sam, supplemented by Harper, Keldon, and other pieces is the model for sustainability.

Other pieces could be Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

There's just no cap flexibility if you have 2 supermax guys on the roster.

And if Harper doesn’t reach his potential within 3 years you’ll have no supermax players on the team. Tatum isn’t sticking around for that.

Same thing if you keep JT, JB, and White.

Those 3 will total around 135m next season.

You will not be able to assemble a good supporting cast if 3 players eat up that much cap space.

There will be no Jrue, KP, and Al.

A compromise would be to move White instead of JB.

The 2nd apron is $207.8 million next year, you most definitely can keep JT, JB and DWhite. Stars win championships, not marginal role players. Celtics bench will be grown with young players. Celtics can still keep Kornet and Big Al. Holiday, Hauser and KP are the most likely to go.

[playa-hater]

A few years ago I suggested a Brown for drafting rights of Cade Cunningham (not saying it was possible) But I got a push back of "Brown is in his Prime etc" Cade, like Dylan Harper wasn't a sure thing. No one is, but sometimes you have to take a calculated risk. Trading Brown now would be selling High if you can get a potential Cade Cunningham type of talent. SAS giving us #2 plus some decent young talents is a No Brainer for me. It also helps out a ton on the all important cost cutting requirements Boston will need.

[Celts17Pride]

A few years ago I suggested a Brown for drafting rights of Cade Cunningham (not saying it was possible) But I got a push back of "Brown is in his Prime etc" Cade, like Dylan Harper wasn't a sure thing. No one is, but sometimes you have to take a calculated risk. Trading Brown now would be selling High if you can get a potential Cade Cunningham type of talent. SAS giving us #2 plus some decent young talents is a No Brainer for me. It also helps out a ton on the all important cost cutting requirements Boston will need.

Brown is not bringing back Castle, Amen Thompson, #1 or #2. People need to be realistic. Highly unlikely any of those things (Castle, Amen Thompson, #1 or #2) move for Giannis.

[playa-hater]

A few years ago I suggested a Brown for drafting rights of Cade Cunningham (not saying it was possible) But I got a push back of "Brown is in his Prime etc" Cade, like Dylan Harper wasn't a sure thing. No one is, but sometimes you have to take a calculated risk. Trading Brown now would be selling High if you can get a potential Cade Cunningham type of talent. SAS giving us #2 plus some decent young talents is a No Brainer for me. It also helps out a ton on the all important cost cutting requirements Boston will need.

Brown is not bringing back Castle, Amen Thompson, #1 or #2. People need to be realistic. Highly unlikely and of those things (Castle, Amen Thompson, #1 or #2) move for Giannis.

You are probably right

But Dallas isn't trading away Franchise star Luka

[Larry_Russell]

Jrue to Sacramento
Demar Derozan to Dallas
Jonas V and Tillman to Brooklyn
Gafford and Marshall to Boston

Saves 11.5 million

Team option on JD Davidson....Dont pick it up, saves another 2.5 million

Below 2nd apron

White/Pritchard
Brown/Shierman
Marshall/Hauser
?????/?????
Kristaps/Gafford/Kornet/Queta

Move Kristaps for big forwards, Assume Horford retires.

[Larry_Russell]

Jrue to Dallas

Kristaps to Orlando

Cole Anthony and Tillman to Brooklyn

Gafford, Christie, Marshall and Isaac to Boston

[ThePigeon]

Will you trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick?
Sending Jrue/KP/Hauser will make them stronger. Will they trade for these guys?

[165bows]

It's the Warriors' fault they made the wrong picks.

Once DWhite's extension kicks in next season, it would be like KD, Booker, and Beal.

Suns could not get the right supporting cast because 3 players ate up all the cap space.

It's up to Brad, but I believe the Jays plus White is not sustainable.

We need to somehow move Jrue and KP, that's the priority. I think you still keep Brown as you aren't getting anything close in return.

I think you can entertain Jaylen for Ja simply because of the asset cost (it's kinda like the Smart/KP trade, selling high and buying low) but it's a huge risk andI don't think Brad would be willing to take that risk.

Also we don't know the status of Jaylen's knee this offseason.

Yeah my guess is that was before the Smart trade. Ie, Brown wasn't involved in talks or he was and it was before his new contract was signed.

[Fierce1]

And if Harper doesn’t reach his potential within 3 years you’ll have no supermax players on the team. Tatum isn’t sticking around for that.

Same thing if you keep JT, JB, and White.

Those 3 will total around 135m next season.

You will not be able to assemble a good supporting cast if 3 players eat up that much cap space.

There will be no Jrue, KP, and Al.

A compromise would be to move White instead of JB.

The 2nd apron is $207.8 million next year, you most definitely can keep JT, JB and DWhite. Stars win championships, not marginal role players. Celtics bench will be grown with young players. Celtics can still keep Kornet and Big Al. Holiday, Hauser and KP are the most likely to go.

Repeater tax.

Cs need to reset the cap because they will be a repeater next season.

This is the perfect time to reset the cap because JT is out for one season.

If the Cs don't reset the cap now, the penalties will get harsher every year.