Ace Bailey

[Upperclass]

He's at worst Trey Murphy or a Jabari Smith.. You take a chance on his shot making top 2 unless theres better upside potential at the following picks

first, i'm a huge Ace apologist.

Trey Murphy and Jabari Smith are very different players in terms of the success they've had at the NBA level. Jabari is a 12 and 7 guy on subpar efficiency - yeah, that is probably a decent bad case scenario. I think worst case could probably be worse.

Murphy is a 21 ppg guy on good to very good efficiency - Ace could do a lot worse than that. Murphy is bordering on borderline all-star territory.

Trey was 21PPG on a bottom 5 worst team and 14PPG on a 7 seed and 14PPG on a 9th seed. Do with that what you will.

[NO-KG-AI]

He's at worst Trey Murphy or a Jabari Smith.. You take a chance on his shot making top 2 unless theres better upside potential at the following picks

first, i'm a huge Ace apologist.

Trey Murphy and Jabari Smith are very different players in terms of the success they've had at the NBA level. Jabari is a 12 and 7 guy on subpar efficiency - yeah, that is probably a decent bad case scenario. I think worst case could probably be worse.

Murphy is a 21 ppg guy on good to very good efficiency - Ace could do a lot worse than that. Murphy is bordering on borderline all-star territory.

Trey was 21PPG on a bottom 5 worst team and 14PPG on a 7 seed and 14PPG on a 9th seed. Do with that what you will.

Trey Murphy gets to the paint well, and finishes fantastically at the rim, and can hit high volumes of 3’s off the catch, off screens or on ball. What part of Trey’s scoring do you think would be hard to fit in on a better team? Lol.

[Upperclass]

first, i'm a huge Ace apologist.

Trey Murphy and Jabari Smith are very different players in terms of the success they've had at the NBA level. Jabari is a 12 and 7 guy on subpar efficiency - yeah, that is probably a decent bad case scenario. I think worst case could probably be worse.

Murphy is a 21 ppg guy on good to very good efficiency - Ace could do a lot worse than that. Murphy is bordering on borderline all-star territory.

Trey was 21PPG on a bottom 5 worst team and 14PPG on a 7 seed and 14PPG on a 9th seed. Do with that what you will.

Trey Murphy gets to the paint well, and finishes fantastically at the rim, and can hit high volumes of 3’s off the catch, off screens or on ball. What part of Trey’s scoring do you think would be hard to fit in on a better team? Lol.

I just mentioned what was.. not what could be.

[EmpireFalls]

Reminds me of Harrison Barnes

[JMAC3]

Reminds me of Anthony Edwards as a prospect with the amount of overthinking people are having.

Bailey is 6-10 and can catch and shoot a 3 pointer on a full sprint fading out bounds and make it look easy. He can cross over and shoot a stepback on one end and then defend the rim on the end by swatting a shot. All while being one of the youngest draft prospects over the last 5 years, if you don't think your team can develop him into a good basketball player than we probably have bigger issues.

We will probably look back in 4 years and scratch our heads why we didn't think a 6-10 wing that has already showed good defensive tools and the ability to average 20 ppg would be a bad pick.

Because yes... plenty of people were trying to find ways Edwards would fail as well.

[tundraknight]

I’ll be content as long he’s not a Bust like Jabari Smith.

[Sharcm1]

I think ace can be the best player out of this draft, including Flagg. He has got the skills needed. His thing will be getting the right fit team and effort to be the best.

If he goes to the sixers they won’t wait for him to develop. Embid has a limited time frame and they need a more nba ready player. I think he will ride the bench and not get a chance.

He needs a bad team. One that’s rebuilding and he has time to make mistakes and grow into his game. We shall see if he gets that

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think ace can be the best player out of this draft, including Flagg. He has got the skills needed. His thing will be getting the right fit team and effort to be the best.

If he goes to the sixers they won’t wait for him to develop. Embid has a limited time frame and they need a more nba ready player. I think he will ride the bench and not get a chance.

He needs a bad team. One that’s rebuilding and he has time to make mistakes and grow into his game. We shall see if he gets that

On the contrary, Philly might be a great fit for him. He'll basically be a C&S 3D role player his first two seasons in the league. He won't have the pressure of being the guy right away and he can work himself into that role as he develops. On Philly he'd be the 5th/6th option starting out. It worked with Kawhi in San Antonio .

[76ciology]

I’ll be content as long he’s not a Bust like Jabari Smith.

He’s nowhere near as good as Jabari Smith Jr. as a prospect

[76ciology]

I think ace can be the best player out of this draft, including Flagg. He has got the skills needed. His thing will be getting the right fit team and effort to be the best.

If he goes to the sixers they won’t wait for him to develop. Embid has a limited time frame and they need a more nba ready player. I think he will ride the bench and not get a chance.

He needs a bad team. One that’s rebuilding and he has time to make mistakes and grow into his game. We shall see if he gets that

He doesn’t have the IQ to play winning basketball.

He can’t distinguish a good shoot, a bad shoot, when to pass versus when to shoot. He even is slow in making reads on defense, and just hunts for stocks.

[JMAC3]

He doesn’t have the IQ to play winning basketball.

He can’t distinguish a good shoot, a bad shoot, when to pass versus when to shoot. He even is slow in making reads on defense, and just hunts for stocks.

The funny part about Ace Bailey, is if he went to somewhere like Auburn, Alabama, Duke etc... and he played a more contained game like we saw/see from Jabari Smith and averaged like 13 ppg and shot mostly 3s (39% on catch and shoot 3s) and layups within the flow of the offense. We would all probably love his size, versatility and athleticism. We would really love him if like 1 time every 2 games he made one really contested shot, with the hopes that could be scalable and developed once he got to the NBA....

Instead he showed way too much of the midrange development and now we have an issue with the player he was... everyone would like him better if he played a smaller, more boring role in college and we could fantasize over the development of what he could be.

[76ciology]

He doesn’t have the IQ to play winning basketball.

He can’t distinguish a good shoot, a bad shoot, when to pass versus when to shoot. He even is slow in making reads on defense, and just hunts for stocks.

The funny part about Ace Bailey, is if he went to somewhere like Auburn, Alabama, Duke etc... and he played a more contained game like we saw/see from Jabari Smith and averaged like 13 ppg and shot mostly 3s (39% on catch and shoot 3s) and layups within the flow of the offense. We would all probably love his size, versatility and athleticism. We would really love him if like 1 time every 2 games he made one really contested shot, with the hopes that could be scalable and developed once he got to the NBA....

Instead he showed way too much of the midrange development and now we have an issue with the player he was... everyone would like him better if he played a smaller, more boring role in college and we could fantasize over the development of what he could be.

First, you need the IQ.
Second, you need the maturity.
And third, the people around you—those who stand to benefit from your supermax, won’t let you take less role, even if you wanted to.

[SNPA]

He is Rudy Gay. Tantalizes he could be a first option, in reality he caps out as a third option on a real contender.

[JMAC3]

I think he is just such a rare prospect breed that people have no idea how to evaluate him.

[JMAC3]

Read on Twitter

[ReggiesKnicks]

He is Rudy Gay. Tantalizes he could be a first option, in reality he caps out as a third option on a real contender.

You don't need to tweak much for Rudy Gay to go from a 3rd option to an efficient 2nd option.

[SNPA]

He is Rudy Gay. Tantalizes he could be a first option, in reality he caps out as a third option on a real contender.

You don't need to tweak much for Rudy Gay to go from a 3rd option to an efficient 2nd option.

Tantalizing to consider.

[EvanZ]

He might also be Jaden McDaniels with a 3. His handle isn't that great, though, so I am wondering if the people who were so down on Jabari are similarly down on Ace?

[CptCrunch]

Jabari Smith is a whole tier better than Bailey. 90% as good at shooting while better at every single aspect of the game.

The entire justification of Bailey is feel. There is no statistical defense of him. You like him because you feel he can translate despite the minefield leading to his selection.

I can buy him being good, I can also buy him being a statistical failure on every way. If he can score in the NBA while putting up tragic advanced stats like he did, he will still likely to be a failure similar to a level of MPJ in the absolute best case. For Ace to suceed, he would need to go from bad feels, bad stats, bad advanced stats to a winning player with good advanced stats in his translation. That's a tall tall ask.

[azcatz11]

He might also be Jaden McDaniels with a 3. His handle isn't that great, though, so I am wondering if the people who were so down on Jabari are similarly down on Ace?

Jaden with a 3 is an all nba player