[Perkins] - "Don't Sleep On Toronto For Giannis"

[ash_k]

Give up this years first, and the next 2 firsts along with Barnes, and get the most out of Giannis in the next 3 years before his decline.

Id love to keep Barnes but I think there might be some redundancy having both of them together. Maybe trade Ingram before Barnes as that might help Milwaukee short term even more.

The all idea of the trade would be to join BI and Giannis which would be electric making them the best duo in the East automatically

[Matty]

A Barnes+Barrett+#9 package cannot be beaten by any team. Even the Spurs offering #2.

There's no other team that can send a top 10 pick, a near all-star level young player and a former ROTY with the potential to be a main man (again don't think Scottie actually has this potential, but there's a perception that he does).

I think we get Giannis. This is reminding me of the Kawhi situation.

I think we can get Giannis with a Barnes+Dick+9+2027 1st Rounder package, but I do agree either one is better than anything OKC and Houstan can offer. Not sure what people are smoking.

Scottie was ROY, and has already been an All-Star once. He's better than anything else one can offer without gutting their team.

[TGM]

I almost would suggest making two trades to land Giannis.

Keeping the 9th is preferred you need to balance your line up with cheap and expensive contracts.

Kasparas at 9 to mean is a no brainer. His passing and running an offence already surpasses IQ.

Move Quickley to Dallas for Washington, Gafford, Exum and a first.

Send Gafford, Barnes, Dick, 2026, 2028, 2030 FRP for Giannis. Maybe an extra pick or swap needs to be added.


Kasparov - Shead - Exum
Ingram- Walter -Wilson
Barrett - Battle -
Giannis - Mogbo
Jakob - Washington - Chomche

[djsunyc]

barnes and multiple picks are enough. nobody can realistically match that and we need depth. id much rather give up another pick than a current young player. you need players now with giannis. spurs arent gonna give up #2 and other young guys. i dont know if presti has the guts to move jdub or chet.

tho a defense of giannis and scottie would be ridiculous. if giannis wants the raptors, he will be a raptor. bucks will oblige him.

[JB7]

Honestly, Perks throws a lot of **** on the wall, and I was originally thinking this was just another piece.

But in reality, 3 key injuries in this playoffs might actually have pointed Giannis in the Raps direction.

First off, Dame's injury guaranteed Giannis' time in Milwaukee is done. The next two injuries are more recent. Curry and Tatum. Two teams I think would have been at the top of Giannis' list, but now are probably completely off it because of those injuries. Tatum's injury obviously takes them out of contention because he is probably gone for all of next season, and I don't think Giannis wants to burn another year. Curry's injury, while not a long term issue, I think would be concerning to Giannis, in that Curry is now 37 and you have to start to wonder if this is his body just starting to breakdown with age. If Giannis wants to contend, he has to be able to rely on Curry to be there for both the season and playoffs in a deep West.

It makes sense that Giannis would want to stay in the East, because it is a much easier path to the finals, and getting easier all the time, while the West is just getting stronger.

And since Milwaukee doesn't control its draft picks for the next 5 seasons, the team is not motivated to tank.

Which points to the Raps. They are in the East. They are a decently big market for Giannis. They can trade actual players to the Bucks (along with picks), to help them remain decent, while still leaving enough for the Raps to compete. And of course, Masai has been interested in landing Giannis for awhile.

I think the deal is actually fairly straightforward. Giannis ($54.1M 2025-26 season) for:
- Barnes ($38.7M): too much overlap in their style of play, and Barnes is the big piece the Bucks get back - a young corner piece to build around
- Dick ($5M) & Agbaji ($6.4M): young pieces to help fill out the starting lineup for the Bucks, both were decently high draft picks, they play well together (offset each other's weaknesses), and of concern to the Raps is they are both almost done their rookie deals and will need to get paid
- 9th pick ($6M) - this is a top ten pick in a deep draft, and a more known quantity, giving it more value then most FRPs offered.
- 2027 FRP - Raps hold onto the 2026 pick, in potentially another good draft, and they don't give up a bunch of their future picks

This deal still leaves the Raps starting lineup in place, just subbing Giannis in for Scottie. And leaves them a decent young cheap bench in Mogbo, Walter, Shead & Battle.

[mdenny]

Honestly, Perks throws a lot of **** on the wall, and I was originally thinking this was just another piece.

But in reality, 3 key injuries in this playoffs might actually have pointed Giannis in the Raps direction.

First off, Dame's injury guaranteed Giannis' time in Milwaukee is done. The next two injuries are more recent. Curry and Tatum. Two teams I think would have been at the top of Giannis' list, but now are probably completely off it because of those injuries. Tatum's injury obviously takes them out of contention because he is probably gone for all of next season, and I don't think Giannis wants to burn another year. Curry's injury, while not a long term issue, I think would be concerning to Giannis, in that Curry is now 37 and you have to start to wonder if this is his body just starting to breakdown with age. If Giannis wants to contend, he has to be able to rely on Curry to be there for both the season and playoffs in a deep West.

It makes sense that Giannis would want to stay in the East, because it is a much easier path to the finals, and getting easier all the time, while the West is just getting stronger.

And since Milwaukee doesn't control its draft picks for the next 5 seasons, the team is not motivated to tank.

Which points to the Raps. They are in the East. They are a decently big market for Giannis. They can trade actual players to the Bucks (along with picks), to help them remain decent, while still leaving enough for the Raps to compete. And of course, Masai has been interested in landing Giannis for awhile.

I think the deal is actually fairly straightforward. Giannis ($54.1M 2025-26 season) for:
- Barnes ($38.7M): too much overlap in their style of play, and Barnes is the big piece the Bucks get back - a young corner piece to build around
- Dick ($5M) & Agbaji ($6.4M): young pieces to help fill out the starting lineup for the Bucks, both were decently high draft picks, they play well together (offset each other's weaknesses), and of concern to the Raps is they are both almost done their rookie deals and will need to get paid
- 9th pick ($6M) - this is a top ten pick in a deep draft, and a more known quantity, giving it more value then most FRPs offered.
- 2027 FRP

This deal still leaves the Raps starting lineup in place, just subbing Giannis in for Scottie. And leaves them a decent young cheap bench in Mogbo, Walter, Shead & Battle.

Props for actually proposing a realistic trade.

Let's suppose this trade happens. My guess is the Raps would wait for 3 months to see what else to do. But isn't it likely we'd have to turn poetl into something different? Might be stating the obvious but you need a center that shoot 3s no? Poetl + Giannis seems like a bad fit.

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[TravisScott55]

You forgot Barrett or am I missing something? is he out next season?

Name a better starting 5 than Quickley-Barrett-Ingram-Giannia-Poetl in the East>

Is this a joke? 3 non shooters in that starting line up, 2 good defenders, and no bench.

Whose the 3rd non shooter? Quickley? His numbers aren't that bad for a guy whose always played on teams with no superstars.

Same with Barrett. We've not seen what these guys can do when a clear cut superstar is playing with them taking away all the attention.

Not to mention Ingram will be the No.2 option anyways so its not like we're relying on these guys to be anything more than a No.3 between them every other night.

I agree with you the bench sucks but that be dealt with. You need to build a starting 5 that can compete first.

RJ Barrett is a career 34 percent 3 point shooter, he isn't reliable. Also his spot up numbers aren't great either.

[JB7]

Honestly, Perks throws a lot of **** on the wall, and I was originally thinking this was just another piece.

But in reality, 3 key injuries in this playoffs might actually have pointed Giannis in the Raps direction.

First off, Dame's injury guaranteed Giannis' time in Milwaukee is done. The next two injuries are more recent. Curry and Tatum. Two teams I think would have been at the top of Giannis' list, but now are probably completely off it because of those injuries. Tatum's injury obviously takes them out of contention because he is probably gone for all of next season, and I don't think Giannis wants to burn another year. Curry's injury, while not a long term issue, I think would be concerning to Giannis, in that Curry is now 37 and you have to start to wonder if this is his body just starting to breakdown with age. If Giannis wants to contend, he has to be able to rely on Curry to be there for both the season and playoffs in a deep West.

It makes sense that Giannis would want to stay in the East, because it is a much easier path to the finals, and getting easier all the time, while the West is just getting stronger.

And since Milwaukee doesn't control its draft picks for the next 5 seasons, the team is not motivated to tank.

Which points to the Raps. They are in the East. They are a decently big market for Giannis. They can trade actual players to the Bucks (along with picks), to help them remain decent, while still leaving enough for the Raps to compete. And of course, Masai has been interested in landing Giannis for awhile.

I think the deal is actually fairly straightforward. Giannis ($54.1M 2025-26 season) for:
- Barnes ($38.7M): too much overlap in their style of play, and Barnes is the big piece the Bucks get back - a young corner piece to build around
- Dick ($5M) & Agbaji ($6.4M): young pieces to help fill out the starting lineup for the Bucks, both were decently high draft picks, they play well together (offset each other's weaknesses), and of concern to the Raps is they are both almost done their rookie deals and will need to get paid
- 9th pick ($6M) - this is a top ten pick in a deep draft, and a more known quantity, giving it more value then most FRPs offered.
- 2027 FRP

This deal still leaves the Raps starting lineup in place, just subbing Giannis in for Scottie. And leaves them a decent young cheap bench in Mogbo, Walter, Shead & Battle.

Props for actually proposing a realistic trade.

Let's suppose this trade happens. My guess is the Raps would wait for 3 months to see what else to do. But isn't it likely we'd have to turn poetl into something different? Might be stating the obvious but you need a center that shoot 3s no? Poetl + Giannis seems like a bad fit.

Ideally they would have someone that could shoot, but I think Yak is smart enough to find a way to not clog up the O, and on D he is just so valuable. Maybe Yak's next trick is he develops his corner 3

[Son Goku 25]

This could drag for another two months.. these yearly rumours are so draining man lol

[Matty]

Is this a joke? 3 non shooters in that starting line up, 2 good defenders, and no bench.

Whose the 3rd non shooter? Quickley? His numbers aren't that bad for a guy whose always played on teams with no superstars.

Same with Barrett. We've not seen what these guys can do when a clear cut superstar is playing with them taking away all the attention.

Not to mention Ingram will be the No.2 option anyways so its not like we're relying on these guys to be anything more than a No.3 between them every other night.

I agree with you the bench sucks but that be dealt with. You need to build a starting 5 that can compete first.

RJ Barrett is a career 34 percent 3 point shooter, he isn't reliable. Also his spot up numbers aren't great either.

He's also had a career of playing with **** teams. If it doesn't work you trade him but you give him a season with Giannis.

[ash_k]

The next question, ok now that Giannis is a Raptor
SF BI
PF Giannis
With proven winners out there like Malone, Jenkins, Bud(?), Brown and a couple of more, can Masai afford to keep a below-par-coach like Darko in a win-now mode?
Barnes+Barrett+9th+ Walter+Mogbo+Shead

[WuTang_CMB]

Toronto Raptors

While Canada's lone NBA franchise may be a long shot to land Antetokounmpo (plus-3000), don't count it out entirely.

For starters, per Robinson's report, the Raptors (along with the Nets) have "emerged as destinations of interest" for the Greek star.

And it's no secret the organization has long admired the Bucks forward, stemming from his well-documented relationship with Masai Ujiri. Toronto's team president once helped Antetokounmpo's family secure Greek citizenship and even tried desperately to trade into the 2013 draft with hopes of selecting the unheralded Nigerian-born prospect.


Fast forward to 2025, and it's unlikely the desire to add him has waned much, if at all.

While the Raptors are in the midst of a rebuild, as proclaimed by Ujiri himself, his end goal of bringing Toronto another title remains at the forefront. And we all know he's no stranger to making big swings in pursuit of a championship.

Bringing in Antetokounmpo would undoubtedly be his boldest move since acquiring Kawhi Leonard, and given the forward is under contract for at least two more seasons (with a player option for 2027-28), it'd be far less anxiety-inducing than when the Raptors acquired the Leonard ahead of his impending free agency.

Toronto also checks plenty of boxes for Antetokounmpo. Not only is the team in the East, but it offers a large international market he could immediately dominate, all while having crafted the high-level culture he's looking for.


Ujiri proud of Raptors' on-court and off-court culture
Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri reflects on his team's culture, giving them an A+ for both their on-court team-first mentality and off-court conduct.
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What could they offer? The Raptors would have to seriously leverage Antetokounmpo's reported interest in the franchise to keep up in trade talks with other suitors. But if the team gets to the negotiating table, it definitely won't show up empty-handed.

A trio of extension-eligible Raptors in RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl and Ochai Agbaji could help Milwaukee win now while allowing Toronto to match Antetokounmpo's $50 million-plus salary. The Raptors also have a pair of recent first-rounders in Gradey Dick and Ja'Kobe Walter they could include to fill out the prospect portion of a deal — or by tossing in some of their other promising 2024 rookies. As far as picks go, Toronto has 13 between now and 2031 and is in control of all seven first-rounders (including No. 9 in 2025) that could be packaged in any trade.

Even if the Raptors make it that far, they may face another conundrum should the Bucks ask for any of the team's three highest-paid players in Scottie Barnes, Brandon Ingram or Immanuel Quickley — presumably Barnes, considering his age and Antetokounmpo-like physical upside. And while Toronto would ultimately have to give it real consideration, expect Ujiri and co. to try and make it happen without depleting the team's top-end talent too heavily.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/six-potential-trade-destinations-for-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo/

[JB7]

Toronto Raptors

While Canada's lone NBA franchise may be a long shot to land Antetokounmpo (plus-3000), don't count it out entirely.

For starters, per Robinson's report, the Raptors (along with the Nets) have "emerged as destinations of interest" for the Greek star.

And it's no secret the organization has long admired the Bucks forward, stemming from his well-documented relationship with Masai Ujiri. Toronto's team president once helped Antetokounmpo's family secure Greek citizenship and even tried desperately to trade into the 2013 draft with hopes of selecting the unheralded Nigerian-born prospect.


Fast forward to 2025, and it's unlikely the desire to add him has waned much, if at all.

While the Raptors are in the midst of a rebuild, as proclaimed by Ujiri himself, his end goal of bringing Toronto another title remains at the forefront. And we all know he's no stranger to making big swings in pursuit of a championship.

Bringing in Antetokounmpo would undoubtedly be his boldest move since acquiring Kawhi Leonard, and given the forward is under contract for at least two more seasons (with a player option for 2027-28), it'd be far less anxiety-inducing than when the Raptors acquired the Leonard ahead of his impending free agency.

Toronto also checks plenty of boxes for Antetokounmpo. Not only is the team in the East, but it offers a large international market he could immediately dominate, all while having crafted the high-level culture he's looking for.


Ujiri proud of Raptors' on-court and off-court culture
Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri reflects on his team's culture, giving them an A+ for both their on-court team-first mentality and off-court conduct.
Play Video
What could they offer? The Raptors would have to seriously leverage Antetokounmpo's reported interest in the franchise to keep up in trade talks with other suitors. But if the team gets to the negotiating table, it definitely won't show up empty-handed.

A trio of extension-eligible Raptors in RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl and Ochai Agbaji could help Milwaukee win now while allowing Toronto to match Antetokounmpo's $50 million-plus salary. The Raptors also have a pair of recent first-rounders in Gradey Dick and Ja'Kobe Walter they could include to fill out the prospect portion of a deal — or by tossing in some of their other promising 2024 rookies. As far as picks go, Toronto has 13 between now and 2031 and is in control of all seven first-rounders (including No. 9 in 2025) that could be packaged in any trade.

Even if the Raptors make it that far, they may face another conundrum should the Bucks ask for any of the team's three highest-paid players in Scottie Barnes, Brandon Ingram or Immanuel Quickley — presumably Barnes, considering his age and Antetokounmpo-like physical upside. And while Toronto would ultimately have to give it real consideration, expect Ujiri and co. to try and make it happen without depleting the team's top-end talent too heavily.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/six-potential-trade-destinations-for-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo/

I think a package of Barnes, Dick, Agbaji, 9th pick and one other FRP would be hard for other teams to match, without having to give up a lot:
OKC: would need to offer both Chet and J-Dub to top Raps offer. Plus, for salary matching they would probably need to throw in IH or Dort, plus other bench players. Not something Presti does.
Spurs: 2nd overall pick in 2025 does not top what Raps could offer. And of all the picks the Spurs could offer, what is the likelihood they turn into real players, that Raps could offer now. Bucks need players now. Bucks can't tank - they don't control their picks and don't want to be giving high picks to the Pelicans.
Rockets: would have to start with Amen, and how many of their other young stars? And the problem with Amen is he has one elite skill (D) that could get him the potential to earn a supermax, and do the Bucks want to be paying Amen a supermax? Also, while the overall talent level in Houston is high, and helped them get the 2 seed this year, none of that talent has proven to be elite offensively. Plus, Giannis just does not fit on the Rockets roster. His backcourt would be FVV & Brooks. Not exactly elite talent there.
Mavs: makes no sense. Their current star is AD. So unless they can trade him to get backcourt help for Giannis, who is leading this team from the backcourt?
Nets: have no players to offer to help the Bucks right now. The Bucks can't tank - they don't control their picks and don't want to be giving high picks to the Pelicans.

And the problem with most of these teams is they are in the West, which is a bloodbath to make the playoffs, and also to make it through the playoffs. There is very little margin for error or injuries. That is why Giannis is interested in the East, in addition to the bigger market.

[TravisScott55]

Whose the 3rd non shooter? Quickley? His numbers aren't that bad for a guy whose always played on teams with no superstars.

Same with Barrett. We've not seen what these guys can do when a clear cut superstar is playing with them taking away all the attention.

Not to mention Ingram will be the No.2 option anyways so its not like we're relying on these guys to be anything more than a No.3 between them every other night.

I agree with you the bench sucks but that be dealt with. You need to build a starting 5 that can compete first.

RJ Barrett is a career 34 percent 3 point shooter, he isn't reliable. Also his spot up numbers aren't great either.

He's also had a career of playing with **** teams. If it doesn't work you trade him but you give him a season with Giannis.

Fair

[MiamiSPX]

Of course nobody can top our offer if some of you, in your imagination, have already established what other teams will or won't give up. In this fantasy land, It seems nobody will give up their best young player except for us lol.

[YogurtProducer]

Realistically the only chance we get Giannis is if he forces his way here.

So it isn't happening.

[JB7]

Of course nobody can top our offer if some of you, in your imagination, have already established what other teams will or won't give up. In this fantasy land, It seems nobody will give up their best young payer except for us lol.

Unless the Bucks are willing to do Giannis the ultimate favour (and the league is willing to do for the Bucks what they just did for the Mavs ), I imagine the team that ultimately trades for Giannis will have to give up some current young star.

Again, the Bucks have no incentive to tank as they don't control their own picks. They'll want to be a middle of the pack team for the next few seasons, which in the East is not hard

[Son Goku 25]

I think some people are forgetting the nba when Giannis won the ship isn't the same as now, the talent levels are a bit lower in terms of the 2010 superstars declining and now its more about up and coming stars who haven't proven themselves yet and more parity in the league in general.

If we got Giannis, I wouldn't be too worried about being able to build a super team, i think you def need depth and a solid 2-3 players that includes a superstar, all star and borderline all star player or someone capable of producing at that level plus decent role players.

In all honesty, it looks like the Knicks might be the champs this season and next season it will be someone else. It's not the same league it was even a few years ago. I think the raptors should take adv of this and try to go for it next season and see what happens, esp in this current east there isn't any team i'm looking at and saying they will definitely beat us convincingly and that says a lot. The knicks though.. they will be tough and if pacers make a trade for a bigger star them too.

[sidsid]

With losing out on the lottery, there is practically no daylight, in terms of what Giannis would care about, from a Barnes-less Raptors to what the Nets team would be by just trading picks.

Which is why Giannis will veto it. He's going to a ready contender, or the Nets if he just wants the market.