NBA Trade Thread #12

[Chi town]

Kuminga is excellent in the open court playing fast but he can’t shoot and he’s always hurt.

I think he’s a very port fit with Giddey unless he is playing C which he can’t… but Billy would.

I bet it’s Porzingis. Who is also always hurt.

[Red8911]

Kuminga for Vuc could make sense for both teams, Bulls get a young player with potential and GSW get a talented scoring center.

Problem with this trade though for both teams is first of all do the bulls like Kuminga so much that they are willing to overpay for him 20 M a year ? When Bulls are about to pay Giddey 30 M, possibly Coby next year, and have a bad contract that they are stuck with ( PWill). Is Kuminga worth it? Idk.

Then on GSW side sure they get Vuc who helps them a lot on offense but he’s also 34 yrs old turning 35 and their team is already very old. Thats too many older guys starting together and most likely doesn’t work.

[boozapalooza]

Who says no?

Read on Twitter

Hate this twitter account but not a bad deal for both sides.

My hesitation is, why wouldn’t Kerr give Kuminga more minutes? It was always weird to keep a young, potentially 30M guy glued to the bench. It had to be about more than fit next to Steph/Dray.

That said, the KumBucket looked awesome in the Minnesota series when given a chance. And would give us a dynamic, very young, high upside starting 5.

If background due diligence on him checks out, hes exactly the type of player we should be targeting.

[sco]

Who says no?

Read on Twitter

Hate this twitter account but not a bad deal for both sides.

My hesitation is, why wouldn’t Kerr give Kuminga more minutes? It was always weird to keep a young, potentially 30M guy glued to the bench. It had to be about more than fit next to Steph/Dray.

That said, the KumBucket looked awesome in the Minnesota series when given a chance. And would give us a dynamic, very young, high upside starting 5.

If background due diligence on him checks out, hes exactly the type of player we should be targeting.

If you do this trade, it increases the need to get rid of Coby, despite his 3pt shooting, we'd be compounding our defensive issues with Kuminga and we'd need our 5th starter to be a POA defender who can shoot open 3's.

Comes down to how we think Kuminga can develop in a lead scoring role...are we just replacing Zach with a chucker or does this guy have an IQ, can he develop a 3 ball, can he play acceptable defense.

[Infinity2152]

Thinking that Boston would do any form of deal around Derrick White for Coby is hilarious.

So assuming Celtics new owners mandate cutting some of that cap, who are they going to move and what are they going to get back? Porzingas? Already expiring. Brown? No. Tatum? No. Holiday? Of course they'll try but 34 with three years left $34 mill AAV, that's going to be a tough move. Only leaves White.

What's the centerpiece for a 30 year old guard who averaged 16, 4.8, 4.5 with 4 more years on his contract at $32 mill AAV. You think they get a Banchero or Wemby or even Amen Thompson as the centerpiece in that trade? Not to mention we'd be throwing a $20 mill expiring player with him. Name some young players that would reasonably be considered much better than Coby, are available and come with an extra $20 mill expiring player at a position of need. And their team is willing to trade them for Derrick White on his current contract.

What's hilarious is that Coby is considered so much lower than White in here, yet the presumption is he'll get paid more than White, lmao!

There will be a market for Jrue Holiday, he's still an excellent piece for a team looking for a combo guard.

Coby is going to benefit from a rising cap and stupid teams, he'll get the same as White (potentially more) and offer nothing outside of streaky scoring compared to the two way ability of Derrick White.

Jrue Holiday's a great player. Really like him. His contract is 30+ mill. That limits his market right there. He's 34 with 3 years left on his contract. That limits his market much more. Looking at the trade returns for Luka, Butler, Fox, Lavin, Ingram, would not expect a great return for Holiday. Teams are not jumping to take on big money players right now. His impact is underestimated on that team, too. Losing Holiday would impact them more than White, imo.

With White, if the whole point is to clear cap, you have to take expirings in the first place. So expirings like Vucevic have huge value, that's the entire point of the trade. They'd use Coby for a year, he drops off the cap, they decide to re-sign him or not. That $20 mill expiring in Vucevic saves them $50-60 mill or more in actual cash.

As far as Coby, talking about strictly trade value. Market value says he's a $30 mil player, that's around the same market value as White. White might get a little more if they hit FA at the same time, but their market value looks roughly equal. Prefer comparing players by projected market value rather than personal opinions about who's better or why team X would want this player.

We all have personal opinions about players. You refer to Coby as a "streaky scorer" and Derrick White as a "two way player". One is $12 mill next year. White makes $28 mill. So pay an extra $16 mill next year, or more than double White's salary, for the upgrade from Coby to Derrick. In a season with no Tatum. Plus they could have Zach Collins all year as an expiring center with Tatum out and Horford maybe gone. It's not apples to apples, Coby White vs Derrick White. Celtic's new owners could plan to cut ALL the big contracts besides Tatum and Brown by summer 2026, that's what I would do with Tatum out this year. Get under the tax for a year and build around Tatum and Brown with all the assets. Porzingas is expiring, he can stay.

[kodo]

My hesitation is, why wouldn’t Kerr give Kuminga more minutes? It was always weird to keep a young, potentially 30M guy glued to the bench. It had to be about more than fit next to Steph/Dray.

That said, the KumBucket looked awesome in the Minnesota series when given a chance. And would give us a dynamic, very young, high upside starting 5.

If background due diligence on him checks out, hes exactly the type of player we should be targeting.

The Ringer reported it was because Kuminga was looking off Curry to instead take his own shot in general, but recently Kerr specifically said the lineup performance with Butler was terrible.

Kerr runs some beautiful plays, but when Kuminga plays it looks like he's just attacking the basket or pulling up for a jumper. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just ignoring the system.

But we don't have a Steph or Butler here and Kuminga is flat out better than Patrick and Matas is more of a defensive player. If Kuminga just gets shots up hero ball style, not sure if that's all that different than Coby.

[Hangtime84]

My hesitation is, why wouldn’t Kerr give Kuminga more minutes? It was always weird to keep a young, potentially 30M guy glued to the bench. It had to be about more than fit next to Steph/Dray.

That said, the KumBucket looked awesome in the Minnesota series when given a chance. And would give us a dynamic, very young, high upside starting 5.

If background due diligence on him checks out, hes exactly the type of player we should be targeting.

The Ringer reported it was because Kuminga was looking off Curry to instead take his own shot in general, but recently Kerr specifically said the lineup performance with Butler was terrible.

Kerr runs some beautiful plays, but when Kuminga plays it looks like he's just attacking the basket or pulling up for a jumper. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just ignoring the system.

But we don't have a Steph or Butler here and Kuminga is flat out better than Patrick and Matas is more of a defensive player. If Kuminga just gets shots up hero ball style, not sure if that's all that different than Coby.

Kuminga seems to the THT experience 2.0

[Infinity2152]

My hesitation is, why wouldn’t Kerr give Kuminga more minutes? It was always weird to keep a young, potentially 30M guy glued to the bench. It had to be about more than fit next to Steph/Dray.

That said, the KumBucket looked awesome in the Minnesota series when given a chance. And would give us a dynamic, very young, high upside starting 5.

If background due diligence on him checks out, hes exactly the type of player we should be targeting.

The Ringer reported it was because Kuminga was looking off Curry to instead take his own shot in general, but recently Kerr specifically said the lineup performance with Butler was terrible.

Kerr runs some beautiful plays, but when Kuminga plays it looks like he's just attacking the basket or pulling up for a jumper. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just ignoring the system.

But we don't have a Steph or Butler here and Kuminga is flat out better than Patrick and Matas is more of a defensive player. If Kuminga just gets shots up hero ball style, not sure if that's all that different than Coby.

Pat Will for Kuminga deal could be good for both sides. Warriors are a strong system team, Pat would have very defined roles there. Big scoring nights not required. We could use Kuminga's more aggressive style. Playing with Giddey, imagine the opportunities to create out of system would happen frequently. Pat/Ayo for S&T Kuminga 4 yrs/$100 mill. Cost to us is pretty low to check him out. We shouldn't send picks or valuable assets to get Kuminga, too many question marks.

Sounds like low BBall IQ is the problem. Regardless of the talent, that's a huge every game problem.

[Am2626]

Who says no?

Read on Twitter

Bulls

For all the LOVE people put on Kuminga, he's still and unproven commodity. If you're going o pay hi twice what you're paying Patrick Williams you better get twice the numbers, not a solid same 9-4 because OH he's going to come on and light it up. I am completely scares off by the sources saying that he got to a point where he was taking his shots because it was his time, he had the ball and was going to get his. We had veterans who went into that mode and they put up 40 points, I'm not seeing and don't want Kuminga to chuck and act like he was going to get hot

This Bulls team isn’t going anywhere so I don’t think taking a gamble on someone who is unproven but very talented is a bad idea. Kuminga is an elite athlete and a good offensive player that can score points with ease. The Bulls desperately need top end talent and this is really the only reasonable way they can get it.

[sco]

Who says no?

Read on Twitter

Bulls

For all the LOVE people put on Kuminga, he's still and unproven commodity. If you're going o pay hi twice what you're paying Patrick Williams you better get twice the numbers, not a solid same 9-4 because OH he's going to come on and light it up. I am completely scares off by the sources saying that he got to a point where he was taking his shots because it was his time, he had the ball and was going to get his. We had veterans who went into that mode and they put up 40 points, I'm not seeing and don't want Kuminga to chuck and act like he was going to get hot

This Bulls team isn’t going anywhere so I don’t think taking a gamble on someone who is unproven but very talented is a bad idea. Kuminga is an elite athlete and a good offensive player that can score points with ease. The Bulls desperately need top end talent and this is really the only reasonable way they can get it.

It's a risk, to be sure, but what isn't. He could turn out to be a dumb chucker, but there's a decent chance he turns out to be very good. The cost in terms of assets is low (although I like Ball) the $ are not horrible. If it fails it sets us back a couple years, but it's not a franchise killer. If there was an opportunity cost is that you probably can't have both Coby and Kuminga on your team and win games...not enough defense. But if getting Kuminga would allow us to recoup value on Coby by selling high, you've mitigated a lot of that risk.

[sco]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

[kodo]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

Between Maxey, McCain, and Grimes Philly is pretty set on young guards. The fans at least want a big of some type, which is the area we lack the most.
I guess Matas but that's probably the player Chicago fans want to trade the least.

[HomoSapien]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

Between Maxey, McCain, and Grimes Philly is pretty set on young guards. The fans at least want a big of some type, which is the area we lack the most.
I guess Matas but that's probably the player Chicago fans want to trade the least.

We might be able to make things interesting if we take Paul George's corpse off their hands, which I'm willing to do for the third pick.

[Am2626]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

If the Bulls could get #3 the guy I would want is VJ Edgecombe.

[Am2626]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

Between Maxey, McCain, and Grimes Philly is pretty set on young guards. The fans at least want a big of some type, which is the area we lack the most.
I guess Matas but that's probably the player Chicago fans want to trade the least.

We might be able to make things interesting if we take Paul George's corpse off their hands, which I'm willing to do for the third pick.

Would Charlotte take Coby White straight up for pick #4? Maybe Charlotte doesn’t want another young player and wants to get out of the bottom of the NBA cellar. According to the below article because Coby White has significantly outperformed his contract he is going to command big money in the open market and the Bulls will have a hard time resigning him. I think Edgecombe is going to be a better player than Coby White and would rather see the Bulls really look to rebuild with a young core around Edgecombe who might end up being a Franchise player. Coby White will never be that type of player.

https://pippenainteasy.com/bulls-hands-are-tied-by-rule-that-could-doom-coby-white-future-01jvayyys4vs

[jordanwilliams6]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

If the Bulls could get #3 the guy I would want is VJ Edgecombe.

I think you would have to take the Paul George contract. Salaries need to be adjusted but I’m not sure how I feel. The PG contract is terrible but at least it expires before the extensions are due on Buz & VJ.

Coby + Vuc + #12 for PG + #3

Giddey/VJ/PG/Buzelis/Collins

[sco]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

If the Bulls could get #3 the guy I would want is VJ Edgecombe.

I think you would have to take the Paul George contract. Salaries need to be adjusted but I’m not sure how I feel. The PG contract is terrible but at least it expires before the extensions are due on Buz & VJ.

Coby + Vuc + #12 for PG + #3

Giddey/VJ/PG/Buzelis/Collins

I'm in, but I agree that they won't want Coby. Vuc + other expirings + #12 +POR 1st for PG + #3. VJ looks like a near perfect fit here.

[Hangtime84]

If we deal for kuminga it better be a declining one

[Dan Z]

Between Maxey, McCain, and Grimes Philly is pretty set on young guards. The fans at least want a big of some type, which is the area we lack the most.
I guess Matas but that's probably the player Chicago fans want to trade the least.

We might be able to make things interesting if we take Paul George's corpse off their hands, which I'm willing to do for the third pick.

Would Charlotte take Coby White straight up for pick #4? Maybe Charlotte doesn’t want another young player and wants to get out of the bottom of the NBA cellar. According to the below article because Coby White has significantly outperformed his contract he is going to command big money in the open market and the Bulls will have a hard time resigning him. I think Edgecombe is going to be a better player than Coby White and would rather see the Bulls really look to rebuild with a young core around Edgecombe who might end up being a Franchise player. Coby White will never be that type of player.

https://pippenainteasy.com/bulls-hands-are-tied-by-rule-that-could-doom-coby-white-future-01jvayyys4vs

I doubt Charlotte would make that trade because they'll have to give Coby an extension in a year. They're better off keeping the pick and drafting a two guard.

[Muzbar]

Wiretap says PHI will listen for offers for #3.

I doubt they do it, but Coby, #12, POR 1st for #3 + filler?

I'd love me some VJ on this team, I'd probably do it in a heartbeat.