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Re: [Perkins] - "Don't Sleep On Toronto For Giannis" 

Post#221 » by JB7 » Fri May 16, 2025 6:01 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:I think some people are forgetting the nba when Giannis won the ship isn't the same as now, the talent levels are a bit lower in terms of the 2010 superstars declining and now its more about up and coming stars who haven't proven themselves yet and more parity in the league in general.

If we got Giannis, I wouldn't be too worried about being able to build a super team, i think you def need depth and a solid 2-3 players that includes a superstar, all star and borderline all star player or someone capable of producing at that level plus decent role players.

In all honesty, it looks like the Knicks might be the champs this season and next season it will be someone else. It's not the same league it was even a few years ago. I think the raptors should take adv of this and try to go for it next season and see what happens, esp in this current east there isn't any team i'm looking at and saying they will definitely beat us convincingly and that says a lot. The knicks though.. they will be tough and if pacers make a trade for a bigger star them too.


With Tatum out next year, and the Celtics probably in a mindset of a quick rebuild, there really is no dominant team in the East to worry about. Raps just need to be the best of the rest (Knicks, Cavs, Pacers). Could be the easiest path to the Finals.
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Re: [Perkins] - "Don't Sleep On Toronto For Giannis" 

Post#222 » by JB7 » Fri May 16, 2025 6:03 pm

sidsid wrote:With losing out on the lottery, there is practically no daylight, in terms of what Giannis would care about, from a Barnes-less Raptors to what the Nets team would be by just trading picks.

Which is why Giannis will veto it. He's going to a ready contender, or the Nets if he just wants the market.


I would have agreed. I would have thought GSW and Celtics would be high on Giannis' list, but with Tatum and Curry's injuries, they are probably both out.

Raps moving up quickly in terms of the competition, with the big market and team fit (decently strong team in a weak East).
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Post#223 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 16, 2025 6:05 pm

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Post#224 » by MiamiSPX » Fri May 16, 2025 6:12 pm

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The issue with Miami is they are likely the only team that won't give in to his "extra perks" demands (ie. employing his brothers, etc). Pretty much every single other team will acquiesce to all of his demands, rightly so.
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Post#225 » by sidsid » Fri May 16, 2025 6:17 pm

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sidsid wrote:With losing out on the lottery, there is practically no daylight, in terms of what Giannis would care about, from a Barnes-less Raptors to what the Nets team would be by just trading picks.

Which is why Giannis will veto it. He's going to a ready contender, or the Nets if he just wants the market.


I would have agreed. I would have thought GSW and Celtics would be high on Giannis' list, but with Tatum and Curry's injuries, they are probably both out.

Raps moving up quickly in terms of the competition, with the big market and team fit (decently strong team in a weak East).


I think he's in full LeBron LA mode now. LeBron still wanted to win and forced the AD trade, but now you realize he had a long term plan of just staying there for the pub once that faded.

That's why I see the push and pull of wanting the easy chips in OKC/Spurs as alluring, but knowing he'd only share the spotlight there (and honestly second fiddle) is an issue now. No issues in NY as Brunson or whatever the Nets cobble together won't be overshadowing.
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Post#226 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 16, 2025 6:35 pm

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The issue with Miami is they are likely the only team that won't give in to his "extra perks" demands (ie. employing his brothers, etc). Pretty much every single other team will acquiesce to all of his demands, rightly so.


They don't have the assets either. They are stuck in no man's land even if they trade for him. Not sure what would be leftover.
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Post#227 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 16, 2025 9:50 pm


The proprietor of this Substack revealed one of the loftier targets of Atlanta's search with his report Wednesday about the Hawks' interest in Toronto's Masai Ujiri ... but another interesting scenario has begun to circulate.

What if the Hawks don't end up making an additional hire?

They announced to the world on April 21 that they are searching for a president of basketball operations to take over the front office, but sources briefed on the situation have suggested that Atlanta could opt for making no additional changes to its management structure after promoting cap strategist Onsi Saleh to general manager.

The search firm Sportsology has arranged for the Hawks to interview a number of candidates to date and, as The Stein Line has reported, that includes the interest in both Ujiri and an unsuccessful pursuit of former Golden State Warriors lead executive Bob Myers as well as outreach to numerous player agents — including Antetokounmpo's longtime representative Alex Saratsis.


Cleveland's early exit has people talking, too.

What will be the ramifications for the Cavaliers after they led the East wire-to-wire during the regular season, racked up 64 wins and then lost in the second round to Indiana as the conference's No. 1 seed.

The Cavaliers did part with a lot in terms of draft capital to acquire Donovan Mitchell as the centerpiece of their deep roster, but their aggressive move at the trade deadline to add De'Andre Hunter from Atlanta was made with both the present and future in mind. Sorting out Caris LeVert's free agent future is now the Hawks' assignment; acquiring Hunter for LeVert and Georges Niang not only filled an immediate need for Cleveland on the wing but also enabled it to evade the luxury tax this season.

The Cavaliers are indeed trending toward being an apron team for several seasons, with the majority of their key players — apart from upcoming free agents Ty Jerome and Sam Merrill — locked into lucrative deals beyond this season. The financial savings in February were widely interpreted as a means to create as much financial flexibility as possible moving forward for needed roster tweaks rather than as a directive to cut costs.

The Cavaliers have often suggested that owner Dan Gilbert is comfortable absorbing luxury tax costs as long as the team is a legitimate title contender. It is presumed Cleveland still sees itself in those terms despite an early exit in which injuries certainly contributed to the disappointment of a 4-1 series score.

More clarity could be forthcoming Monday morning when Cavaliers president of basketball operations Koby Altman holds his end-of-season news conference.


On the flip side of Cleveland's woe, Indiana has reached the Eastern Conference finals for a second straight spring.


It's a momentous run that has been led by a not-so-overrated Tyrese Haliburton ... and which has left numerous rival teams with the strong impression that free agent-to-be Myles Turner is not going to be gettable this summer.

The rising expectation, league sources say, is that Turner will be extending his stay in the Hoosier State. The longest-tenued Pacer enjoyed quite a moment when he drilled a dagger triple to seal a Game 5 comeback and the series for Indiana in Cleveland.

Turner, of course, has been discussed in various trade frameworks for years. He recently wrote a piece in The Players Tribune this month in which he openly celebrated lasting a decade as a Pacer.


Signing Turner to a new deal would inevitably present some luxury tax concerns of their own for the Pacers to deal with, which has various teams anticipating roster-consolidation trade conversations in Indiana after this joy ride of a season to better position the payroll for Turner's re-signing.


How the Lakers address their need for a starting center is another leading topic here in Chicago.

With Turner seemingly destined to stay with the Pacers, Los Angeles' options in free agency would appear to be pretty limited in free agency beyond veterans such as Brook Lopez and Clint Capela.

The goal, of course, is to find a rim-running center to pair with Luka Dončić ... like the Lakers intended in February when they traded for Charlotte's Mark Williams and then rescinded the deal amid concerns about Williams' long-term health.

It would appear they'll have to go the trade route again to fill that need.


Chances are that Combine Week will end before we have clear-cut clarity on Antetokounmpo's future in Milwaukee.

Will he ask to be traded? And when?

Those have been popular questions all week ... while occasionally offset by observers who feel compelled to point out that Antetokounmpo has always been extremely loyal to the only franchise he's ever known and will surely find it difficult to take the step of actually asking for a trade.

At least two teams, though, have already emerged as proverbial teams to monitor as possible participants in multi-team Antetokounmpo trade frameworks.

New Orleans controls Milwaukee's draft capital for the next three summers starting with the Bucks' first-round pick this June thanks to the 2020 trade acquisition of Jrue Holiday, which contributed heavily to Milwaukee's title run in 2020-21 ... and the first of two Antetokounmpo contract extensions.

And Portland controls Milwaukee's top picks from 2028 through 2030 because of the Damian Lillard blockbuster trade before the 2023-24 season that led to Antetokounmpo's second contract extension.

So ...

Anticipation is already building about the Bucks trying to include either New Orleans or Portland in a theoretical Giannis trade to try to regain some of their draft capital.


Houston is a team routinely mentioned as a potential Antetokounmpo suitor and what happened Monday night is merely the latest spark for such dialogue.

The Rockets came away from Monday's NBA Draft Lottery with the No. 10 overall pick as conveyed by the Phoenix Suns. Given that Houston's choice at No. 3 a year ago — highly rated Kentucky guard Reed Sheppard — hardly cracked coach Ime Udoka’s rotation this season, rival teams are projecting the Rockets as likely to explore their trade options No. 10 for an injection of win-now talent.

Philadelphia has similar optionality after unexpectedly rising to No. 3 in Monday's proceedings. The 76ers can keep the pick to add another top young player on a similar timeline with promising rookie guard Jared McCain or field offers for veteran help to augment the Joel Embiid/Paul George/Tyrese Maxey trio.


We've already seen Duke guard Isaiah Evans withdraw from the NBA Draft to return to Durham, while former Arkansas guard Boogie Fland has likewise opted to go back to school and join Florida.

Some other notable first-round prospects whose decisions are eagerly awaited by NBA scouts include former University of Alabama-Birmingham guard Yaxel Lendenborg, who league sources say has an offer north of $3 million on the table from Michigan. Ditto for Miles Byrd, Cedric Coward and Karter Knox, who is the younger brother of former NBA lottery pick Kevin Knox. All three are known to have multi-million-dollar offers to stay in the college game.

For many players, without a guarantee of being selected in the first round on June 25, there is more money to be made in the NCAA next season in the NIL realm as opposed to the earning potential for a second-round NBA draft pick.

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Post#228 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sat May 17, 2025 8:51 pm

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this is where relationship with masai gives us an edge. i'm sure giannis will speak with siakam and og too like he did for the nick nurse hiring process.
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Post#229 » by adubmac » Sat May 17, 2025 10:30 pm

Perk is talking about how he could shut down Jokic in his prime, this man doesn't know anything about anything. Giannis is not coming here and we'll be battling for a play-in. Hopefully Masai out drafts our position again.
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Post#231 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun May 18, 2025 3:39 am

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Post#232 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun May 18, 2025 4:45 am

Although only way we get Giannis is if he puts us on the top of his list...Which is a long long shot....Getting Giannis in the door is the first step for us to getting back to the team to feel like an actual real winner again....We prolly need to make another additional move to be legit contenders but first step would be getting Giannis in the door....

If we do not need to give Bucks every single pick we have ....And Barnes + 9th + Dick (Salary Filler) + maybe 2 picks....Maybe we would have enough assets to make an additional move with RJ + Quickley + Picks.....Idk for who but call me insane but Morant + Brandon Clarke would be a fun pair....Morant/Ingram/Giannis.....I know people hate Morant but can't deny his talent if his heads on straight

Morant/Shead
Ochai/Walter/Lawson
Ingram/Battle
Giannis/Mogbo
Yak/Clarke/Chomche

May need to add more shooters for Giannis but not a bad squad for the first year....

Could also try and go after Ball or Trae young with that same Morant package if you don't like Morant...But either way praying Giannis just wants to come here so we can enjoy winning basketball again with a team that actually has a chance to win and not just a team we know won't make it far...
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Post#234 » by wegotthabeet » Sun May 18, 2025 1:18 pm

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He’s going Brooklyn or Knicks


Wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up in New York, but that’s every players answer to that question.
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Post#235 » by nikster » Sun May 18, 2025 1:21 pm

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Rip .

He’s going Brooklyn or Knicks


Wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up in New York, but that’s every players answer to that question.

How do the Knicks have the assets given they lost everything in the Mikal trade and don't have assets? Brooklyn is just too bad for this trade to make sense
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Post#236 » by Landomar » Sun May 18, 2025 1:47 pm

Giannis to the Knicks would be great for Giannis, but hard to pull off. I imagine New York would have to offer Anunoby and Bridges for him, and then Milwaukee would have to be able to trade Anunoby and Bridges to other teams in separate deals for stuff they actually want. It would be like when Lillard was surprisingly traded for Jrue Holiday, and then Portland sent Holiday to Boston for a pretty good return.

I don't think the Knicks are a very likely destination for Giannis, but you never know.
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Post#237 » by YogurtProducer » Sun May 18, 2025 2:07 pm

Landomar wrote:Giannis to the Knicks would be great for Giannis, but hard to pull off. I imagine New York would have to offer Anunoby and Bridges for him, and then Milwaukee would have to be able to trade Anunoby and Bridges to other teams in separate deals for stuff they actually want. It would be like when Lillard was surprisingly traded for Jrue Holiday, and then Portland sent Holiday to Boston for a pretty good return.

I don't think the Knicks are a very likely destination for Giannis, but you never know.

NYK would offer KAT and hope that’s enough.

Zero chance they trade their wing stoppers.

Brunson/Hart/????/KAT/Giannis isn’t as good as the current Knicks IMO.
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Post#238 » by djsunyc » Sun May 18, 2025 2:38 pm

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He’s going Brooklyn or Knicks


Wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up in New York, but that’s every players answer to that question.

How do the Knicks have the assets given they lost everything in the Mikal trade and don't have assets? Brooklyn is just too bad for this trade to make sense

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Post#239 » by nikster » Sun May 18, 2025 3:37 pm

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Wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up in New York, but that’s every players answer to that question.

How do the Knicks have the assets given they lost everything in the Mikal trade and don't have assets? Brooklyn is just too bad for this trade to make sense

kat and mikal

Is that enough to get it done without a 3rd team? Mikal only has 1 year left. KAT has longer but that seems like a win now move for a team that can't even compete with Giannis. Wouldn't a rebuilding package make more sense?
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